View Full Version : Edge Play: Irresponsible?
On another site, this photo was posted by me to my gallery. I would like to know if people feel the photo shown depicts this in a manner that is irresponsible. One of the people who viewed the photo felt it was in bad taste to have even taken the photo.
I would like to know what people here think?
ceegee{Benz}
06-03-2007, 10:11 AM
will come back to this when pic has been approved
Rhabbi
06-03-2007, 02:21 PM
Same here
pixie_dust
06-03-2007, 03:07 PM
hmmm...patiently waiting...
ceegee{Benz}
06-04-2007, 08:48 AM
On another site, this photo was posted by me to my gallery. I would like to know if people feel the photo shown depicts this in a manner that is irresponsible. One of the people who viewed the photo felt it was in bad taste to have even taken the photo.
I would like to know what people here think?
welllllllll
i cant see anything majorly wrong with it...the whole photo is really good.
the one thing that concerns me are those ballet boots....if she lost her balance then she would have boken her neck...with or without the noose.
but then again saying that...shots like that....same as suspension have to be fully supervised in case something did go wrong.
anyroad..I love that pic cant see anything wrong at all.
cg
ps: can i nick it please so i can have a copy for my own personal library pleaseeeee?
Guest 91108
06-04-2007, 08:53 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it.
Like other photo shoots.. there at minimum the photog. is there to assist if a situation arises... I've seen way worse that wasn't offensive to anyone.
Guest91408
06-04-2007, 08:56 AM
I see nothing wrong with this picture...in fact theres something wonderfully stimulating about it. Menace/threat and beauty perfectly, erm, balanced...
As CG said, as a posed photo, there would have had to been supervision of some level...so safety would have been considered too.
Pain XxX
pixie_dust
06-04-2007, 08:56 AM
IMHO the pic is clearly a professional one, in which every aspect (I'm sure) was staged. Personally, I think it's beautiful.
nk_lion
06-04-2007, 08:56 AM
As a sexual fantasy, I have a problem with anything relating to snuff. While I think artistically it is beautiful, I think it would depend on the context on where the picture is displayed.
Btw, the one yes vote was mine, meant to vote for 'Who am I to judge?'
ceegee{Benz}
06-04-2007, 08:58 AM
I see nothing wrong with this picture...in fact theres something wonderfully stimulating about it. Menace/threat and beauty perfectly, erm, balanced...
As CG said, as a posed photo, there would have had to been supervision of some level...so safety would have been considered too.
Pain XxX
even if it wasnt for a photo shoot...supervision should still be a must and all equipmemt fully checked before hand
cg xx
Warbaby1943
06-04-2007, 08:58 AM
I personally don't particularly like the noose but I see nothing wrong with you posting it.
tessa
06-04-2007, 09:01 AM
That picture evokes so many feelings in me. But since you asked a specific question, ID, I'll stick to the subject at hand.
The photo is beautifully done. The subject matter is immensely provocative. Personally, I see nothing wrong with it. I don't feel it was irresponsible nor in bad taste for you to post it.
However, there are people who will. They will see the possible dangers and abuse that could occur in such a scene and will focus on that. That's just the way it is.
Thanks for sharing with us! :)
tessa
DarkSister
06-04-2007, 09:01 AM
Well in my opinion I really can’t see how this picture can be viewed as bad taste, though of course it may not be to everyones taste (there is a difference)... I think in actual fact it has been depicted quite artistically. I like it... wouldn't mind a B/W version
Its teasingly evocative with the red sashes giving the impression of her hands behind bought back… but it has the air of a professional shoot so I would imagine that safety would have played a big part in it…
Balanced on so many levels
Dark xXx
Rhabbi
06-04-2007, 09:46 AM
Seems I am in the majority here, but the question was pretty specific. I might have answered different if asked about sharing the photo because there are some who would try this just because of the photo. But I would not hold you responsible for their ill preparation.
annie
06-04-2007, 09:51 AM
though of course it may not be to everyones taste (there is a difference)
i think Dark explained it all well. May not be to everyone's taste but that doesn't mean it is wrong.
Actually, after the thread was posted yesterday, before the picture was approved i went to the other site i thought you might be referring too and checked out the pictures. This one, in comparison with a couple of the others you had, seemed the tamest in some ways. There are dangers in everything we do in BDSM... it wouldn't be "different" if there wasn't. As long as those are recognized i don't see any offense as to it being taken or posted. Once more a personal preference maybe but nothing past that.
As for me... i enjoy breath play, but, the picture disturbs me simple because of the noose. The noose to me doesn't represent submission or edge play but a sense of desperation, dispare, and depression. Feelings i do not enjoy and certainly don't want to associate with my submission.
The picture is obviously professional though and on that level, the black and white contrast with the red scarves, etc. i can see the beauty and such in it.
As to the exact question...
I would like to know if people feel the photo shown depicts this in a manner that is irresponsible. One of the people who viewed the photo felt it was in bad taste to have even taken the photo.
i do not think it is irresponsible based on the assumption that safety measures were taken. As to the "bad taste" once again... a personal opinion on their part. i don't see anything wrong with i as obviously there are some people who enjoy that...
gladgirl
06-04-2007, 10:51 AM
Well...it certainly isn't going to make me go out and buy a noose, but thats not my thing. If it was my thing i think i already would have ideas and that the photo wouldn't give me new ones. lol
~hellish one~
06-04-2007, 11:04 AM
oooh i love the picture!! i don't see anything wrong with it at all. yeah it's edgy but like others have stated...the potential for danger is always there. hell i could fall out of bed tonight and hit my head on the edge of the nightstand and end up in the ER with a concussion...does that mean laying in bed is dangerous and edgy? lol umm...i don't think so.
as long as we are aware of the danger and take the precautions necessary to promote safety then i see no problem with it. i find the picture highly erotic!
^firefly^
06-04-2007, 01:43 PM
Personally, I love it. Ballet heels, a tutu, bondage with the red ribbon, the potential for breath play...
Oh yeah...my button is pushed.
Is is irresponsible? I sincerely doubt it. It certainly looks professionally done. You can't even see whether or not the other end of that noose is really anchored to anything.
As for bad taste...well, to each his own, I guess. I certainly don't think so.I find it tasteful, not tasteless. But that's just my opinion...
Ocean_Soul
06-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Yep, nothing wrong with it. I don't think she would come to any serious harm if she were to loose balance... Unless of course the photographers were the types to watch on as she choked to death. Which is probably unlikely.
Now, if she was standing on a wood block 6' high and barely thicker than her shoes and say about 5' of slack in the rope between the noose and a sturdy tree branch I would have to say that the photographer either falls into the "psychotic" class or is good enough at Photoshop to fake it.
welllllllll
i cant see anything majorly wrong with it...the whole photo is really good.
the one thing that concerns me are those ballet boots....if she lost her balance then she would have boken her neck...with or without the noose.
but then again saying that...shots like that....same as suspension have to be fully supervised in case something did go wrong.
anyroad..I love that pic cant see anything wrong at all.
cg
ps: can i nick it please so i can have a copy for my own personal library pleaseeeee?
In order to say yes, I need to tell you where it came from. It was sent to me by a good friend, and they found it on deviantart. Google the site, the site is updated continuously.
As far as the implications of the photo are concerned. Agreed, there is a snuff feeling about it, but since it revolves around asphyxia, and my fetish is asphyxia. Well, I found the photo to be quite.... moving... yea moving is a good word for what it does for me.
Does it lead to suicidal/homicidal implications? Perhaps, but so does knife play and a couple other activities I can think of. To me the photo displays the girl standing in a volunteered pose. Poised in anticipation for what may or may not happen, the ballerina heels putting her precariously at risk to,as well as mercy of the nooseman controlling the rope. I find it highly erotic!
cadence
06-04-2007, 07:04 PM
While there is nothing wrong with the picture, I am not overly fussy about it. I am with DarkSister however, a black and white version would be nice, but I am a sucker for black and whites.
Edgeplay is just not my thing, so the picture does not invoke anything from me.
I decided to see how my b/f felt about it, seeing that most times, he is baffled by some of the discussions on here, and cannot understand the concept of the different ideas and views on certain subjects and how most are respected, understood and embraced.
He looked at the picture, and promptly said, that it was art, and there was nothing he could find wrong in the picture at all. Even after I explained about the noose, the shoes, and edgeplay, he still insisted it was art and nothing that was offensive in the least.
ElectricBadger
06-04-2007, 07:14 PM
I think it's fine...it's art and shows nothing inherently wrong.
The noose doesn't inherently mean the picture was irresponsibly taken. For all we know, it was held up by velcro at the top. We see people shot, blown up, stabbed, and mutilated every day on public television...this level of implied/potential violence is...tame.
Beyond that, even assuming all the ties and binds are 'real,' it comes down to consenting adults. One hopes the girl understands the risks and acts accordingly, but that is part of being an adult and being free.
ceegee{Benz}
06-05-2007, 12:09 AM
In order to say yes, I need to tell you where it came from. It was sent to me by a good friend, and they found it on deviantart. Google the site, the site is updated continuously.
not a problem... i know the site. tx
moptop
06-05-2007, 12:41 AM
I think it's beautiful, and I found it quite a turn on. I too like breath play, ID - and the red ribbon is lucious - personally don't like the shoes, but it's all personal!
As to the idea of it's being irresponsible - rubbish. Obviously it is professionally done, so the model is in no danger (OK, maybe a broken leg - those shoes!). But if anyone wants to play with nooses, they will certainly do it without the help of this photo. I've seen lots more (breath play) ones that I have found far more disturbing (and I like breath play).
So, no probs.
anonymouse
06-05-2007, 05:14 PM
Jumping in late here, but nothing new to add. The photo is clearly intended as erotic art. It's beautifully composed in its elements, analogous with a Cézanne painting of a bowl of fruit. To continue the analogy, people don't look at a painting like 'Still life with Plate of Cherries (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/cezanne.cherries.jpg)' and immediately think, "Hmm, I think I'm hungry for cherries". Some people might, but most won't. Similarly, another Cézanne painting like 'Nature morte au crane (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/cezanne.skull.jpg)' (Still Life with Skull) doesn't inspire an intelligent person to dig up dead bodies or decorate their dinner table with skulls (unless you're Ozzy Osbourne).
As others have noted, the rope and pointe shoes are suggestive of a disturbing theme, but it's far less confronting than a lot of post-modernist art. In fact, you can find examples of art far more confronting (and hotly debated by female scholars) in antiquity: 'Rape of Cassandra (http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/fittoncassandra/cass4.html)' from the ancient Greek world springs to mind.
So anyway ID, the short answer is there's nothing whatsoever 'irreponsible' about the photo or your sharing of it. There will always be stupid people who see things like this and foolishly try to imitate but then, they're the type of people who'll watch a Superman movie then jump from a roof thinking they can fly. An artist (or any reasonable person) should never expect to be held responsible for the actions of such dimwits.
Ozme52
06-05-2007, 08:44 PM
Might I add... too much tutu. LOL
I'd have found it far more appealing with either fetish clothing instead of the tutu... or actual ballet slippers instead of the fetish shoes.
Actually, the implied "risk" would have been far more poignant with her poised on tippy-toe in toe shoes.
Ocean_Soul
06-05-2007, 09:02 PM
Naw, the fetish shoes stay for me. Otherwise the risk is inevitable rather than dependent on her focus. After all I don't think you could stay on your toes in toe shoes without the heel supported for long. Making it "you're going to choke soon" rather than "be careful or else"
And the tutu I think gives a reason to the shoes. Otherwise those shoes would look like they normally do without it, ridiculous.
IMO of course.
Ozme52
06-05-2007, 09:08 PM
Naw, the fetish shoes stay for me. Otherwise the risk is inevitable rather than dependent on her focus. After all I don't think you could stay on your toes in toe shoes without the heel supported for long. Making it "you're going to choke soon" rather than "be careful or else"
And the tutu I think gives a reason to the shoes. Otherwise those shoes would look like they normally do without it, ridiculous.
IMO of course.
Of course. That's what makes erotica personal.
Mishka
06-11-2007, 08:56 PM
Jumping in late here, but nothing new to add. The photo is clearly intended as erotic art. It's beautifully composed in its elements, analogous with a Cézanne painting of a bowl of fruit. To continue the analogy, people don't look at a painting like 'Still life with Plate of Cherries (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/cezanne.cherries.jpg)' and immediately think, "Hmm, I think I'm hungry for cherries". Some people might, but most won't. Similarly, another Cézanne painting like 'Nature morte au crane (http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/cezanne/sl/cezanne.skull.jpg)' (Still Life with Skull) doesn't inspire an intelligent person to dig up dead bodies or decorate their dinner table with skulls (unless you're Ozzy Osbourne).
As others have noted, the rope and pointe shoes are suggestive of a disturbing theme, but it's far less confronting than a lot of post-modernist art. In fact, you can find examples of art far more confronting (and hotly debated by female scholars) in antiquity: 'Rape of Cassandra (http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/fittoncassandra/cass4.html)' from the ancient Greek world springs to mind.
So anyway ID, the short answer is there's nothing whatsoever 'irreponsible' about the photo or your sharing of it. There will always be stupid people who see things like this and foolishly try to imitate but then, they're the type of people who'll watch a Superman movie then jump from a roof thinking they can fly. An artist (or any reasonable person) should never expect to be held responsible for the actions of such dimwits.
I was formulating my answer while reading and then you said everything I wanted to say. (Though your links trumped my thoughts). But I won't walk away without saying "Ditto", I wanted a turn to jump in.
gagged_Louise
06-11-2007, 09:18 PM
Like Firefly and anonymouse (and Mishka) I feel this is a composed photo for aesthetic value rather than having any implications of trying to kill the ballerina. The noose rope doesn't look that tight in any case, so my feeling is it's not anchored to anything very firm.
Depictions of blood-curdling erotic scenes have been around for hundreds of years. Check out any old painting of the martyrdom of St. Sebastian where he is tied to a column and pierced by arrows - the sadistic ambience often looks unmistakable.
ifonly61
06-11-2007, 09:34 PM
its very nice..
anonymouse
06-12-2007, 12:52 AM
Depictions of blood-curdling erotic scenes have been around for hundreds of years. Check out any old painting of the martyrdom of St. Sebastian where he is tied to a column and pierced by arrows - the sadistic ambience often looks unmistakable.
Wood-cut etchings! Not only is the 'sadistic ambience...unmistakable' but the artists who created them surely spent many hours creating them. Oh my, how artists of yore might have reveled in our digital photography age! LOL
twistedinlatex
07-14-2007, 07:25 PM
Nothing wrong with it. By looking at it, you have no idea how experienced the model is in ballet boots. I've seen some that look as comfortable in them as on flat feet!
It comes down to the model and the photographer, and their level of trust with each other. The viewer is a spectator, who are we to judge?
Sir_Russell
07-16-2007, 11:53 AM
ID as art it is wonderful and compelling.
My alarms went off though the moment I saw it and the perceived risk level involved for the subject. If indeed the noose was functional any loss of balance could be fatal no matter who was there. The hangman noose is supposed to break the neck not to strangle.
Russel, I agree that if the noose were functional, the potential for very real harm is there, but that is also part of the art. As the viewer we are left to wonder if the noose is functional or not, our imaginations adding the danger.
Subfortraining
07-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Enless the person saying it was irresponsible to have even taken it was there on site as it was being taken they really have no room to say . No one but those that were there can say and all others can only assume and we all know what that makes. It's beautiful and brought about emotions that i wouldn't other wise have thought i would have while viewing it. (hehe if that makes any sense)
John56{vg}
07-16-2007, 06:25 PM
I would assume the noose is not even attached. I find the picture exciting. Now there a things, I am sure with allof us, that will excite me in only the fantasy world. Breath Play, Blood play have always had no appeal in the real world for me.
I do have to disagree with the b/w folks here. I think the contrasts of the red sash and the white rope add to the picture. But, of course, that is IMHO.
xadianx
07-16-2007, 09:27 PM
The only thing would be the shoes even being safe she might have a leg spasm causing her to fall.
I don't think it was irresponsible. If someone were to see it and say "ooh, I should make my slave do that," without asking first about whether the noose was functional, how much experience the model had wearing the boots, etc., that person really should not be dominating anyone IMO.
I also think it's a beautiful picture. As a dancer myself, I like the way it alludes to relationship between the intense pursuit of beauty found in the ballet world with that found in the fetish subculture. And the model is truly beautiful, of course. She has wonderful curves.
cariad
07-20-2007, 12:52 AM
Asphyxia is a hard limit for me, and therefore had I had this picture described to me, I would probably have been very uncomfortable about it.
However it is such a beautiful and powerful piece of art that I cannot find anything to object to. As I am sure you know I have something of a safety fetish, but I don't think this would lead to suicidal/homicidal to implications, unless they were already there. I echo anonymouse's thoughts - 'Still life with Plate of Cherries' does not make me think, ohhhh, I would love a bowl of cherries, unless I was already hungry in which case it might be the particular trigger which reminded me. There is obviously a risk that it could lead to someone trying to copy it, without taking suitable precautions, but that applies to almost any picture depicting elements of our lifestyle.
Thank you for sharing the picture with us and I congratulate the photographer.
cariad
Lord Hemloc
07-23-2007, 07:20 PM
I found the photograph beautiful and erotic, if the photo was done in a consentual environment and safety was adhered to I see nothing wrong at all.
When I viewed it I did not take away the feling of snuff was the subject.
Many people can view the same image and see 100's of different things.
I have done many hanging scenes {with a real noose} that where done with very very willing participants. They were supervised By not only me but by experienced people I trust and done safely. Would anyone oppose seeing a submissive Fire Flogged with real Floggers made of kevlar and set on fire??? I have done that scene many times and never injured or burned someone. What the skilled BDSM Dominants do when done right is make dangerous fetishes safe.
I applaude the photo.....
I remain,
Lord Hemloc
Dorkalicious
07-23-2007, 07:55 PM
To be honest, I think the picture is beautiful.
If anything, there might need to be a disclaimer of some sort...but even that isn't necessary. If people can't use common sense, then...well, that is the problem. Not the picture.
I voted no.
Requiem
07-23-2007, 08:00 PM
I don't see whats wrong with it...the photographer is there so they're able to assist if something were to go wrong. Now it would be irresponsible if the person did a self timer on the photo, but then how would she have tied her own hands tightly enough so that she wouldn't be able to escape on her own. Honestly I too think it is a beautiful picture and do not see anything wrong with it
Ifallwillfall
07-23-2007, 08:35 PM
Well, as a photographer myself, i can say that no one should judge a photograph in anyway shape or form unless they were the person who pressed the button. For me, this photograph is just that, unjudgeable. Well, of course, one might say that the lighting could be better. Personally of course. Too harsh...falls on her breast in a distracting way...but that only comes from a critical eye. lol.