Lactation

[slavemira]

I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge about how to induce lactation. This is something that my Master and I have been talking about for sometime. We are looking to introduce it into our life. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

[Curtis]

Have you tried reading books on breastfeeding? At any decent-sized bookstore there'll be a dozen or so and, if it's one of the chain stores (Borders, Barnes&Noble), they'll let you sit in the store and read them in comfort, so you can be sure the book you're buying actually has the information you need.

If there is one in your area, check out the local LaLecheLeague (if not, I'm guessing they have a website). They have literature to help adoptive mothers induce lactation. You don't need to tell them why you need the information, but just in case you might make up a story.

There is no magic injection; it requires ten or fifteen minutes of nipple exercises several times a day for a couple of weeks or more, and it doesn't always work. If you've put in your time and not gotten any result, a VERY understanding OB/GYN can prescribe an oxytocin nasal spray that you can try for another week or so (continuing the nipple exercises), but if you have no luck after that, you're probably out of luck. (Prolactin makes the milk, oxytocin makes the milk available.)

There are at least two other Forumites who know more about this than I do, Pooka and e.e.norcod. Maybe they'll show up to give advice. Good luck.

[redEva]

It is long process and takes dedication. If you have not checked the Mad cow disease (http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=329&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) thread, do chek it. The inducing info there is actualy true.

Here are two links to consider :

About inducing click here (http://www.surrogacy.com/medres/article/lac.html)

Domperidone (http://www.bflrc.com/newman/breastfeeding/domperid.htm)

I actualy did do a lot of serious research on the topics, because I am personaly interested in it, too.

Good luck

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Get pregnant.

[redEva]

I know you are in the daddy mood right now TG, but honestly I don’t think they (slavemira and her Master) are quite going for that ;)

Which is another thing – I did want to ask you TG – and no – I’m not trying to hijack the thread, but… are you guys planning on keeping the flow? Just curious.

slavemira; here is another site you might find useful: Ask Leonore (http://www.asklenore.info/breastfeeding/induced_lactation/stopping_domperidone.html)

also there is Yahoo Adult Breastfeeding Relationship Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adultbreastfeedingrelationshipgroups/) for which i think you need Adult rated Yahoo profile - and you have to apply and they do not accept everyone - but try!

There is a number of people out there that have chosen this activity as a part of their lifestyle. Good luck to you.

*smile*

[slavemira]

Thank you very much for all the information.

[redEva]

you are most welcome - please do keep us informed about your progress ;)

[BDSM_Tourguide]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the question.

[redEva]

after the bambina is done with mommy as the basic or secondary food source - are you and FF planning on continuing supporting milk supply? Are you going to keep her lactating for your own enjoyment?

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Originally posted by redEva
after the bambina is done with mommy as the basic or secondary food source - are you and FF planning on continuing supporting milk supply? Are you going to keep her lactating for your own enjoyment?



Ah. I see what you mean now.

No. Her lactating does nothing for my enjoyment.

[Kallie Thomas]

Originally posted by Curtis
Have you tried reading books on breastfeeding? At any decent-sized bookstore there'll be a dozen or so and, if it's one of the chain stores (Borders, Barnes&Noble), they'll let you sit in the store and read them in comfort, so you can be sure the book you're buying actually has the information you need.

If there is one in your area, check out the local LaLecheLeague (if not, I'm guessing they have a website). They have literature to help adoptive mothers induce lactation. You don't need to tell them why you need the information, but just in case you might make up a story.

There is no magic injection; it requires ten or fifteen minutes of nipple exercises several times a day for a couple of weeks or more, and it doesn't always work. If you've put in your time and not gotten any result, a VERY understanding OB/GYN can prescribe an oxytocin nasal spray that you can try for another week or so (continuing the nipple exercises), but if you have no luck after that, you're probably out of luck. (Prolactin makes the milk, oxytocin makes the milk available.)

There are at least two other Forumites who know more about this than I do, Pooka and e.e.norcod. Maybe they'll show up to give advice. Good luck.

Excellent, excellent post! In addition to nipple stimulation, some sing the praises of brewer's yeast for helping to stimulate lactation. What I would advise, short of borrowing someone's infant (which is the best way to induce lactation), is getting a GOOD pump--steer clear of those crappy gerber-type pumps you find in grocery stores and toy stores. We call those "nipple thrashers," and with good reason. If you can't fork over 200+ bucks for a good Medela pump (some LC's do have them available for rent), then pick up an Avent Isis--it's a manual pump, but it's a GOOD manual pump. Use it at least 3-4 times a day, for at least 15-20 minutes per breast per session.

Nipple stimulation will cause an oxytocin and prolactin release. That's a happy thing, though the effects may surprise you.

There are various drugs known to stimulate lactation--Reglan used to be the standard, but has a lot of undesirable (and sometimes hazardous) side effects. Please remember that birth control pills can suppress lactation. Sometimes high estrogen therapy followed by sudden cessation can induce lactation.

It's very rare for a woman to induce lactation fully, i.e., most women who induce are not able to produce enough milk to sustain an infant without supplementation.

Kallie

[slavemira]

Does anyone know anything about Ameda brand breast pumps and if they are any good? Which is better Ameda or Medela?

[albear]

do you mean the electric pumps? i know that in australia (can't really speak for the rest of the world) medela are easier to use.<-- i'm only basing this on feedback. i work in a pharmacy and we sell and hire. medela make manual, mini electric and electric. if you are going to use it a few times a day, mini electric is out. motor burns out if you use it too often. electric is most effective, but expensive, (in australia upwards of $AU2000) plus you need to buy the manual attachment. if you wanted to buy a manual pump, i'd go for avent over medela as it's easier to pump, and has cool petal massage-y things ;)

[Finding_Fantasy]

Originally posted by Kallie Thomas
--steer clear of those crappy gerber-type pumps you find in grocery stores and toy stores.

Hey! My Gerber Breast Pump is good and was recommended to me by my lactation specialist when I considered pumping some for bottles.

Eva, I don't think I could stand keeping the flow going. I find it very uncomfortable as it is because I usually produce to much and it gets really sore. *shrugs* Plus we aren't really into that sort of thing.

[redEva]

I can understand – all of it, FF – honestly. I hear my husband swearing at both of you (TG and you) right now – saying something to the fact “No one in right mind would not enjoy milking woman!” but that aside…

I wish I had your problem when I was breastfeeding – I was short on the production. And - well empty it more often - it should help (*tapping herself on the back for being smart ass*)

The other thing - I could not stand anyone even look at them , never mind touch them. I know there are women out there that enjoy being sucked – I was not one of them. I love the idea – it is my biggest fantasy (LOL could you not have guessed?!) but in RL – Gods!

Cannot wait to hear how is slavemira making out with inducing.

Only one thing – the Gerber is totally the cheapest thing to get around here – but I have heard from everybody including the LaLeche League – not to go with Gerber.

Slavemira – some hospitals have pumps for rent – you can check that too.

[Finding_Fantasy]

Originally posted by redEva I some hospitals have pumps for rent – you can check that too.

Our health clinic had them for rent as well. However, I could not fathom using a breast pump that a total stranger had used before me. For me, it would kind of being like being underwear at a garage sale.

To be honest, I did not even know that you could stimulate yourself to produce milk without having hormone injections. To me, that is pretty wild. I have heard of women lactating by the sheer desire of having a child, but not for other purposes.

[Kallie Thomas]

<<Our health clinic had them for rent as well. However, I could not fathom using a breast pump that a total stranger had used before me. For me, it would kind of being like being underwear at a garage sale.>>

LOL! Actually, when you rent a pump, you are required to purchase new tubing and a new cup. So no parts that have touched another are touching you, and no parts that have touched another's breastmilk is coming in contact with your breastmilk. It's quite clean.

Kallie

[redEva]

wonderful,

thank you so much for clarifying that Kallie :) i thought something like that would be in place - but since i have never had need for the pump - i could not say from first hand experience.

[lola]

I rented a Medela pump when I was breastfeeding and it was great. They have an attachment that lets you stimulate both breasts at once and be more efficient. As good as the pump was, the child was better. A human mouth does a better job of stimulating milk flow than a machine. It is a big time commitment though, it takes a long time to induce lactation in a non pregnant person, you will have to pump or be sucked frequently. Drink plenty of fluids, no caffeine or alcohol since both are dehydrating and get lots of rest. Keep us posted on your results.

[slavemira]

Just a little update for everyone. My Master and I are still researching the whole process of inducting lactataion. We would like to avoid using any drugs. We hope to begin soon.

[kizzie]

Does anyone know anything about Ameda brand breast pumps and if they are any good? Which is better Ameda or Medela?

Medela Classic is a hospital grade pump I highly recommend. Sometimes Ebay sells them.

[Toolmaker]

My wife was Risperodol for some problems she was having and she got to where she couldn't keep the front of her shirt dry. She finally went to another drug to my sadness.

[willbow]

I would like to weigh in on this if I may. This is my first posting so please bear with me.

I belong to a lot of the adult breast feeding forums on yahoo and others and mostly lurk there because I think that milleu is such that what I would have to say would probably not be well received and really .. life is too short. I feel better about it here so I'll give it a go :)

I'm an RN by training but there is a huge difference from that as a profession and ones own personal indulgences for eroticisim/sexual needs-fulfillment - they should never meet. That said, I have always had this thing for women's breasts and love women who revel in it themselves. :)

The information most give is accurate to a point in terms of physiology, but, IMHO it needs to be look at from a more wholistic point of view. That is taking in all of the psycho sexual implications of a woman's breasts, what they mean to her, and the desire to experience lactation.

Geez .. I hope this isn't sounding too dry .. please forgive as I do not respond to these things too often.

Let me address the psycho sexual implications first. This is the part that is usually skipped or danced around in the venues I had alluded to earlier. Self honesty is an absolute must. I cannot overemphasize how important that aspect is especially for the woman. She really must be ok with admitting to herself and her partner that is is her breasts that hold her fascination or even preoccupation (perhaps even fetish) in the sense of they are her major triggers for sexual arousal and that fulfilling that to satisfaction is the key to all other things sexual, and, ultimately coital. - sounds pretty normal to me! :)

No, really, I am unabashedly a "breast man", and, if I may, I do have a counterpart, the "breast woman". I like to say, "all women have breasts, but not all women are 'breast women'". I'll give a url at the end where breast people, men and women, go into this and I urge all to take a look and see if they can understand. I honestly seek out such women because to me it really is much kinder and gentler to go out there and ask for exactly what you want. Again, this is the important matter of self-honesty that I was talking about. All the women who I've had the pleasure of knowing or communicating frankly about this have, to a person, said that they have never been able to say to a lover "make love to my tits" and really revel in it for the total fulfillment of her needs. Trust me, as a "breast man", the fulfillment of her needs is the fulfillment of my needs! :) So you can see, absolute self-honesty, especially on the part of the woman, is an absolute must!

Please forgive as I can see I am going to run long on this .. please let me know if this is helpful and would like me to continue :)

Until the next installment :)

Be Well

[willbow]

oops .. I forgot the url's

http://www.erotica-writers.com/ERA/ITEM/Breast_Play.htm

http://www.erotica-writers.com/ERA/ITEM/Erotic_Lactation.htm

Please feel free to leave me a private message if you wish. :)

[redEva]

i absolutely agree with you and that is one of the reasons i truly believe that forums like this are useful tool ... how many places can one go and meet a person and say : "i love making love to tits! do you like that too!?" lol ... yes please continue!

i would love to hear what, if any advice, you would have professionally for inducing?

welcome to the library :) i hope you enjoy it

[willbow]

Thankyou So Much :)

Yes .. please forgive if I cannot continue till tomorrow :) but Thankyou :)

Yes indeed I have much more to say ..

Please help guide my writing by asking questions any time you want :)

[willbow]

Back ... I've been thinking about the best way to communicate what I have to say .... If you've noticed I tend to write in long sentences .. It's just me .. as I find that logic is linear and perhaps is "essentially" correct .. but true understanding is much less so. So forgive me for being non-sequitorial, I will do my best to make it worth your effort. :)

I want to touch on the physiological aspects of inducing lactation. Believe it or not it is fairly straight forward. What has been said about it being a matter of hormones is correct. The two hormones of particular interest being prolactin and oxytocin.

Prolactin is present in trace amts both males and females, of course much more so in females .. one can say that the normal higher amts present in the female is part of the very definition of being "female". There is also a matter of receptors but that is beyond the scope of this brief (I don't know what to call it) essay perhaps.

Prolactin is actually an orgasm supressant, and no, this is not a bad thing. :) It is what allows women to be multi-orgasmic. If you could show it on a graph or oscilloscope it would like like sine waves of widely varying amplitude over a longer time period (a note from me: believe it or not this is an "essay" about tits!) Men, on the otherhand, tend to "spend all their cookies at one time" so-to-speak. *GRINS* It's just the way it is :)

Ok .. the important stuff .. and these are ballpark figures but .. prolactin levels rise sharply (as opposed to the normal trace amts) with orgasm - about 10X. With pregnancy prolactin levels rise 100x or higher.

Oxytocin, also called the "love hormone", is what it is. Trust me, if you had an orgasm your oxytocin levels rose sharply.:) It also is the mechanism of the letdown reflex in the lactating woman. There are a lot of other things, but, in a nutshell, I think I've explained it pretty good.

Believe it or not the physiology of it is just that simple.

All this is published stuff - I don't think I've done very much more than reiterate it.

I'm running long again so please forgive if I need to go. I will continue I promise.


Thankyou so much redEVA for your encouraging words :)

I'm not totally sure what you mean by "professionally". I suppose from the physiological aspect it is a "professional" opinion.

There is a topic I will broach in later installments about "professional" assistance for women who would like "treatments" from a "therapist" to achieve this goal. I do this actually :)

I don't think in terms of financial remuneration for my "services" as this opens up legal implications and grey areas that I would not even want to try to reconcile in any kind of way. I think you can understand this. I don't encourage quid pro quo sexual favors either but am not totally closed to it - It has to feel like the "right thing to do". We all know when that is I am sure. HOWEVER, I would be loath to refuse a sushi dinner every now and again LOL ... I mean real sushi :)

Gotta go .. please let me know what you think because I am writing this in realtime :)

until next time

Be Well

[willbow]

Ok .. all that said I want to try to connect the dots on all of this.

I had talked about other forums and venues about inducing lactation and adult breastfeeding. If you have been there for any length of time you will have noticed a pattern to the postings. Not necessarily in any particular order of relevence ......

1) Males seeking nuring partners. Proximity and time are a must ... you'll see all kind of wild offers from men to woman where the proximity makes any meeting or chance of success impossible!

2) Unrealistic expectations from the women. On the mild side, "Looking for ABF partner ... would like to experience the 'closeness' and 'intimacy' of an ABF relationship ....... hubby or SO not into it". Well, one would hope that 'closeness' and 'intimacy' are an element in an ABF relationship, Indeed, genuine friendship would be much even better and prefered.

It's 5 pm pst now ... I need to come back to this later tonite .... and will edit this preexisting intallment to continue

Please forgive for now