Chat Issues, Etc.

[KateHeld]

when I click on the chat icon on the menu, I get a blank page.Anyone know how I can solve this problem? Does it have anything to do with me using a mac?

[Torq]

Hello,
mac should not effect it,, try clearing all your cookies, history, data files, etc. Then reboot log back into forums and try caht again.
Be Well
T

[KateHeld]

Hi,

I will try that, thank you.

K.

[KateHeld]

Unfortunately I still only get a blank screen. Any other ideas? Thanks in advance.

[Rhabbi]

This happens to me occasionally, never have figured out why though.

[gynophagous]

This happens to me occasionally, never have figured out why though.

It could be you have to wait until the flash plug in activates.
XX

[KateHeld]

Thank you for your responses, Rhabbi and gynophagous. But I still can't get in :(

[Thorne]

Which browser are you using? If you're using Internet Explorer, try using Firefox, or some other browser. Or vice versa. And make sure your browser software is up to date, and that you have all the proper plug-ins which are needed.

[thepast]

Make sure you are using IE and NOT Firefox--firefox won't allow a lot of the plug ins and kinks of chat to work right... and sometimes has caused users to not be able to get in.

Make sure you have java, flash players, etc.

As Torq said, clear ALL your history in your IE browswer, close it, shut your computer off and re-boot.

If none of that works, send me a PM, I'll try and help you out more.

delia

[KateHeld]

Delia, thank you very much. I'm using a Mac browser. So I'll try IE. I think this will solve my problem, your help is appreciated :)

[annie]

Make sure you are using IE and NOT Firefox--firefox won't allow a lot of the plug ins and kinks of chat to work right... and sometimes has caused users to not be able to get in.

Make sure you have java, flash players, etc.

As Torq said, clear ALL your history in your IE browswer, close it, shut your computer off and re-boot.

If none of that works, send me a PM, I'll try and help you out more.

delia

Hey NOW! I use ONLY Firefox and I have no problems... don't go blaming it on that! lol

[thepast]

np, Kate.

Oh, annie, you're the exception to EVERY rule *weg*

[rach]

Hey NOW! I use ONLY Firefox and I have no problems... don't go blaming it on that! lol

I *sometimes* have issues with Firefox in chat- no clue why as I don't on any other site- I usually avoid IE like the plague but had to succumb for chat.

[Thorne]

I *sometimes* have issues with Firefox in chat- no clue why as I don't on any other site- I usually avoid IE like the plague but had to succumb for chat.

I don't use chat very often, only a couple of times actually, but I ONLY use Firefox and I've never had a problem. There may be some plug-ins that aren't downloading automatically, but if you set the browser to do that you should be OK. And it helps to make sure you have the latest browser, whether it's Firefox, IE or any other.

[bdsmmasterraven]

I can't get to the room in any browser anymore.

"Unable to connect
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.bdsmlibrary.com:8080"

[thepast]

Chat is currently "down." When Tiger gets a chance, he'll reset it & it'll go back up... but it could be a few hrs or more, so enjoy the day doing other things! :)


delia
Chat Admin

[drusilla]

delia-

You only leave me two options, spend the whole day on IM and try to create my own version of the chat room OR spend the whole day in front of a text book or three.

*sigh* This should be an interesting competition.

[thepast]

Hi everyone!

As the site keeps growing, our chat keeps growing as well! I am seeking ideas/suggestions/input on different things you'd like in chat (programming wise)... here are a few things we've tried in the past, just as examples:

1. Chat Mentoring Program: Paired off experienced & new Doms/subs/switches and provided structured mentoring program on a weekly basis...

2. Structured/Moderated Topic Chats: Opened up a room in the chat at a certain time & date for a discussion on a specific topic.


All right, so let's hear your ideas! Everything (logical) will be taken under consideration, though anything completely irrational, goofy, illogical, insane, impossible or otherwise extraordinarily bizarre may not quite make the final cut...

Thanks!

delia
Chat Admin

[violett]

Great ideas Delia........ I can't think of anything specific at the moment but will be sure to let you know if I do

[Midnite]

before you can go in to chat, I think you should have to completely fill your profile out, I don't know if this can be done, but it would cut down on a lot of confusion

[annie]

before you can go in to chat, I think you should have to completely fill your profile out, I don't know if this can be done, but it would cut down on a lot of confusion

Ummmmm no so sure I like that one. I can picture every male sub in town then knowing exactly who to hit on, which is annoying in the best of cases.

Plus, if people want to fill out their profiles they do. If they don't want their profiles completed they are just going to provide false information so you probably haven't gained anything.

Just a few examples of how that could create issues. ;)

[thepast]

Midnite,
There are certain parts of folks' profiles that are mandatory to fill in, and others where they can expand as much (or as little!) as they want. For whatever reason, some folks choose one way or the other, or middle ground... the Site's policy is only that the mandatory fields be filled in.

So, although perhaps irritating to folks, it's up to the user how much they wish to disclose in their profile... You can always ask someone though :) Most people are more then happy to talk about themselves! hehe...

Thanks for the suggestion, keep the ideas coming, folks!

Regards,
delia

[angelic.zest]

1. Chat Mentoring Program: Paired off experienced & new Doms/subs/switches and provided structured mentoring program on a weekly basis...

i think thats a great idea, i still remember my mentor giggles...its a really great way to get to know ppl(non-sexually) and chit chat about the library be it rt or ol...good idea delia

[Red Dragon {mpellegrino}]

Hi everyone!

1. Chat Mentoring Program: Paired off experienced & new Doms/subs/switches and provided structured mentoring program on a weekly basis...

2. Structured/Moderated Topic Chats: Opened up a room in the chat at a certain time & date for a discussion on a specific topic.



I think 1. is an excellent idea. We did ir befoer and I think it was a really excellent idea. Might be worth asking past mentors/mentees who it might be improved upon and enhanced.

Again I think 2. is an excellent idea perhaps using one of the rooms in chat so as not to disturb the body of the kirk and perhaps a greater to steer people to the right room for chat. Choice of Host important here I think.

Live long

Dragon.

[Arria]

@ Midnite: Basically a good idea, but there are always the ones who don´t even bother to look at people´s profiles before bursting into chat and without any hello or other polite niceties start to PM whomever who might fit their prey pattern...

As for the rest, I agree with Annie, last but not least because there are people here for which it could create problems in real life if their likings became known (whatever the reasons for that might be).

[~hellish one~]

I have an idea. A different set of smileys for chat. I absolutely can't stand those smileys. (and I'm not alone here) I always curse when I forget about them and accidently use one. lol

Oh and what's with my text changing colors? going from purple to black and then back to purple again?

The chat mentoring thing isn't something I would be interested in, but I think it would definitely be a good idea to implement.

[thepast]

1. smilies are the ones that come with the program. we are looking into uploading others, but it takes a while to find ones that actually work in the room (a lot of the "real" smilies won't work for various reasons). So stay tuned on that.

2. The font color is a bizarre thing. If you use IE, it will hold your color 90% of the time (I rarely have an issue where it makes it disappear). If you use Firefox, there are odds & ends that don't work---font color, clicking someone's name before/after writing the msg to them. Also if you make a really long word that the program reads as scrolling (i.e. helllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooo) it will appear in default black no matter what your color is.

Hope this helps!

d

[hurricane1]

How about a voice chat???

[thepast]

Hi h1,
At this point, that's not possible... the chat program we have doesn't support voice & we aren't really looking to get another new program. However, YIM & MSN, skype, etc. offer great voice services to chat with people--alone or in a conference.

delia

[~hellish one~]

how about a little thing that lets you know who is in chat before you login? :D that's a good idea!

[snowflake]

Delia Wrote:
1. Chat Mentoring Program: Paired off experienced & new Doms/subs/switches and provided structured mentoring program on a weekly basis...

2. Structured/Moderated Topic Chats: Opened up a room in the chat at a certain time & date for a discussion on a specific topic.


I think these an awesome ideas.. Especially the first one...

Maybe also find ways to show others how to express themselves a bit .. It is kind of frustrating when you type a 5 sentence comment and get a one word reply while playing.. maybe that is just me..

Midnite Wrote:
before you can go in to chat, I think you should have to completely fill your profile out, I don't know if this can be done, but it would cut down on a lot of confusion

I think this could be maybe a little more lenient but it certainly would help to at least give an idea on role you play.. whether you are a sub Dom/me or switch or trying to find your place... your gender.. what gender interests you... if you are particular... and possibly age..


Thanks Delia for starting this .. I wish you the best of luck with it..

hugs
snow

[jewish_sub]

for some resson i can't get the chat to open for me. i use firefox browser. does it work foranyone else?

[gemmy]

for some resson i can't get the chat to open for me. i use firefox browser. does it work foranyone else?

It's weird for me sometimes, I can access it at work (IE) but not from home (FireFox)

I hadn't thought that it was browser related but will have to try IE at home and see ;)

I'll keep you posted!

[gemmy]

whoohoo am home now and in Chat - whod'a knew hehehe

It was my browser - simple done :D

give it a go and see if it helps you!

[ashtonDs]

jewish_sub,

Firefox is a stripped down browser with lots of add-ons so you can customize it. Be sure you have an add-on that can do chatrooms etc. If you don't, check on the Firefox website and download one.

...Or you could download a browser that already has that capability.

[jewish_sub]

for some reson i can't get it to work in ie too. :(.

[Tufty]

In IE, look under 'Tools' and 'Options' then check under the 'Content' tab.

It could be that the 'Rating' settings need to be changed or the 'Content' settings checked to allow any user.

If you use a firewall, make sure that you allow it to access the site.

Just a thought...

[annie]

I only use Firefox and it has always worked for me. Firefox just has to download the java update the first time I enter chat then it works great from that point on.

[crazy_grrluk]

also check the pop ups fro this site.. make sure that u have allowed FF to access the pop up for chat

[Escritor]

For the chat rooms you need Java. Firefox uses the Sun Microsystems Java engine (which is the original), so if you don't have it installed, chat won't work for you on Firefox. Anyway, FF itself should ask you to download and install Java if you don't have it when you try to open it.

IE installs Micro$oft's Java Virtual Machine. If chat is not working for you, maybe something corrupted your IE installation or you chose not to install MS JVM. Anyway, you can download Sun's Java Engine (I strongly recommend it, even if you have MS JVM) and it should work on IE as well.

[Arria]

... nothing further :-)

Kind regards
Arria

[fetishdj]

Nope. I can't either... I suspect it is part of the server upgrade. I am sure it will be resolved soon.

[thepast]

Chat's down for now until the chat is moved & de-compressed (i.e. 24hr or so)... so everyone is going to have to spend the day catching up on their r/l stuff... haha...

d

[Arria]

Yup, I think so, too... just wanted to make sure it´s not a problem on my side.

:-)

[Arria]

delia - I can´t catch up on r/l stuff as I still cannot sit or walk without screaming *lol*
Have a little mercy on me. :-)
Hugs
Arria

[gemmy]

so everyone is going to have to spend the day catching up on their r/l stuff... haha...

d

Blasphemy!!! hahaha

We already had four Whole Days to catch up on r/l stuff lmao

;)

[stripedangel]

R/L stuff? you mean i really gotta do dishes and clean houuuuuuuuuse?

dang!

[thepast]

Update: Tiger's working hard on it, so again, please have just a bit more patience... will probably be back up later today!

[gemmy]

very awesome to hear delia, thanks for the update!

and thanks to Tiger for all the effort xo

[Merle]

chat's back!

[thepast]

Yup, it's up. Enjoy.

[Joey 288]

Is the chat room down or is something wrong with my computer? all I get is a black screen,

Joey 288

[thepast]

You need to update your java and clear your browser cookies (under the Internet Tools/Options menu) and make sure you are using a compatible browser (IE is preferred, many say Mozilla Firefox works)...

It's up & running!

[craven]

thanks Delia, Safari works well also, I use OSX Tiger safari, have never had any problems

[sisterhoney61 {RW}]

I've been trying to get into the chat room, but every time I click on it, it takes me right back to the forums. Is it the site or is it my computer? This has never happened before.

[thepast]

Oh... hey... now THAT"s cool.... I'll have T check w/Tiger, ASAP... but it's happening w/me too...

d

[denuseri]

yep its happening to me too,, forums work good, though i had to log out then back in to get them to accept posts, but every time i try to go to chat it punts me back to the forums

[thepast]

Maybe it's sending a subtle message to everyone? *falls over laughing*

Seriously though, we'll work on it tonight. No guarantees though...

[thepast]

Chat is back up & working. Enjoy.


d

[Lion_in_Disguise]

I'm using Firefox 3.0. I saw an earlier post about updating my Java and resetting cookies. Im a slightly techtarded..can anyone get me a link or w/e so I can do this?

[.x.Cole.x.]

what link do you need Sir? the one to log in?

i love you Sir. Im glad Im Yours

[Lion_in_Disguise]

No, to upgrade my Java player.

Im glad your mine too hon.

[crazy_grrluk]

just log into the java sun website and click on download... it will tell u whether or not u ahve the latest version of java

[Lion_in_Disguise]

So clearing my Cache/cookies and updating my java accomplished nothing, with both Firefox 3.0 and IE 7. in EI im getting a black page with a text entry box. In FF im getting a black page. I have popups enabled for this site on both browsers.

[thepast]

Sometimes that happens (the blank page). Re-load the page and it should clear. Also, give it a minute or two to load--sometimes it will appear blank & in about 20-30 seconds the contents will appear.

[Brett]

All I get is a black screen also. Up until this week, I did not have a problem getting into the chatroom.

Brett

[Piercingaze]

I am getting the same effect as mentioned above.

[thepast]

Please go back into your browser & clear your cookies. The chat was updated & has a new address that some ISPs don't pick up as quickly... so refresh your BROWSER cookies, should be fine!

delia

[Piercingaze]

Reset my IE cookies, cleared out browser history, and loaded updated java. Still nothing.

[thepast]

There is a chance your ISP has chat blocked. There are some ISPs (hotels, schools, etc.) that have chat blocked...

Other then that... chat is working fine for everyone else, and looks fine on the server, so I am, sadly, out of suggestions...

[Piercingaze]

That is a possibility, I am staying at a hotel for the night. Last one I was at was working fine though :(

[thepast]

Yeeeeup, some work some don't. Holiday Inns are notoriously bad... there are a few others.

[Piercingaze]

Shitty, Holiday Inn's are what I stay at the most.

[caligirl{Rob}]

LOL...hugs, but don't feel too bad, MR maintains the servers and IT for His company and has times when chat locks Him out....is lovely to see Your Piercingaze around these parts again...HUGS ...maybe there is a limit to how many awesome Doms allowed in chat at one time...winks

[.x.Cole.x.]

:confused::30:i cannot join the chatroom cuz it tells me authentication failed. whats that mean?

[fetishdj]

Try logging out and logging back in again... it worked for me this morning. You did just appear in the chatroom now... then vanished again.

[Lion_in_Disguise]

So I've tried everything suggested here in an attempt to log into the chat applet, on both Mozilla Firefox 3.0.1 and Internet Explorer 7. I have the latest version of Java installed, and I believe my E-mail is confirmed with the website.

Anyone have any Idea why I cant join?

[thepast]

I actually have no idea why you can't get in... Chat only requires IE & Java...

There is a chance your ISP has the chat blocked, as some do (esp. hotels, etc)...

[Diablo]

Ad-block will block the this flashchat. I could not get in until I disabled it.

[Taylor.M]

Having trouble with chat.....worked great for the first week now the last 2 days IE cannot display page? Like a connection problem?
No hotel or school........?
ISP maybe huh?? Wonder how I would find that out?

[thepast]

Clear your browser cookies... reboot your computer... if it still doesn't work, probably ISP...

[Taylor.M]

Clear your browser cookies... reboot your computer... if it still doesn't work, probably ISP...

Actually after investigation it appears to be a conflict between an unprotected wireless signal floating around me and my hard DSL connection.
I had to go and delete all my connections and renew the IP addy on my DSL modem.
Curious though as I wonder why I am using the DSL when theres a free wireless right there for me to latch onto! Hmmmmm Im going to have to ponder this!

[denuseri]

started last nite/ early this morning 0300-0400hrs est, couldnt log in to chat, just tried now at 1325hrs est same result

anyone else ??

[denuseri]

never mind its working now thankies

[Masternicktr]

Hi,

I get the below message as I try to enter to caht room.

Network Timeout

The server at www.bdsmlibrary.com is taking too long to respond.

The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply.

* Could the server be experiencing high demand or a temporary outage? Try again later.
* Are you unable to browse other sites? Check the computer's network connection.
* Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing.
* Still having trouble? Consult your network administrator or Internet provider for assistance.

Something wrong with the chat room in general or something wrong with me?

Thanks....

[Torq]

Nope,

Chat room just fine up an running "normal" as can be for a nut house.

Try clearing cookies and/or installing/updateing the latest Java version
Be wel
T

[good_girl]

Just wondering if there has been any problems lately...sometimes I can get into chat and sometimes I can't, I try 3-4 times then give up for a while and come back later and all is good.

When I try to open it, I get a blank white screen but it says the page is done loading.

This has been off and on for about the last week and a half.

[good_girl]

http://www.bdsmlibrary.com:8080/?0,0,0,0,0&nn=good_girl&pu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bdsmlibrary.com%2Fforums%2Fmem ber.php%3Fu%3D52115&au=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bdsmlibrary.com%2Fforums%2Fima ge.php%3Fu%3D52115&hmac=059765015ef118e072466df2007c50ea&cu=

hmmmm just noticed, this is the address that comes up when I click the chat button...somehow I don't think this is right??

[MacGuffin]

I dont know about a glitch in chat but there's certainly a lot of gremlins in there !

[good_girl]

I dont know about a glitch in chat but there's certainly a lot of gremlins in there !

hehe yup seen a few there myself...so wish I could get in now though :(
are you able to get in?

[GearJammer]

I have been able to get in easily for the last few attempts, but almost never stay in long enough to see more than 3-4 posts. Then, I get kicked out. Can't figure out why

Then, of course, today, it has to be contrary to how contrary it's been for a while. ah well........

[MacGuffin]

I am having problems getting in as well, and others have told me they have similar problems.

[good_girl]

Good to know it's not just me then...thanks :)

[thegirlwonder]

When you save a chat log in Mozilla, where does it end up? lol, for the life of me i can't figure out if it just opens a separate window that i can then save, or if it's stored itself somewhere on my comp...

[thepast]

It opens in a seperate window (it should, at least lol)... and then you can save it to your computer... you can also copy & paste it into a word doc.

[thegirlwonder]

Awesome, thanks so much =)

[Timoty]

Hello, before you suggest i go to the thread that already has this in it, I already have done so. I am running IE6 with sp2, have made sure that I have the latest Java (version 6 upgrade 10), have cleared cookies and files, have restarted machine, have installed the latest flash and other software, etc. Still to no avail. My system works on many , many other sites that are using the same forum engine as you. I do have a great deal of "safety" software (ie, norton, popup blocker, and spybot) and I have put the Library on the allowed list for popups and even turned my phishing protection off. My girl (commonly known as kaia.T) is on the site and chats fine. She is running different software than I am so I know it has something to do with my system. Any suggestions? What are you sending me at the moment the screen should go to the chat rooms?

Thank you, in advance, for any assistance you might give me.

Timoty

[blythe spirit]

I have been able to get in easily for the last few attempts, but almost never stay in long enough to see more than 3-4 posts. Then, I get kicked out. Can't figure out why

Then, of course, today, it has to be contrary to how contrary it's been for a while. ah well........

I've never had a problem getting "kicked" from chat until today. Kicked four times and my butt is real sore now. Of course when I am in chat, I have a hard time posting anything. Terrible lag! Woe is me! Woe is me! The lag is so bad that when I click on a user name to reply to something they said, it posts the name just after them. *shrugs*

So, wondering if someone can spank that bad chat and make it more cooperative?

[blythe spirit]

Well I was in chat today for about 10 minutes without getting kicked, but I left because of lag time. It is totally aggravating. If anyone else is typing, I can't. If anyone else is posting, I can't and if I click on a name, I still get the person underneath them, or get nothing at all.

Guess it's okay if all I wanna do is read. Are there no answers to resolve this problem?

[Kevin100]

I am having exactly the same problem. Any advice would be welcome
Kevin

[Torq]

Nope, You have done the normal items,, your going to have to change your setting for it to work, either the spyware or ,,,,
Good luck
T

[blythe spirit]

hehehe. Guess the "nope" applies to my first question - you can't spank it to make it work. And here I thought a good spanking would put it right in it's place. *sighs*

Thanks for your response. Will check settings, Spyware and all my ors.

[Torq]

And as far as folks getting "booted" from chat its NOT a server issue!!!!

There are folks that can remain in chat for days with out getting booted,,, the MAJORITY of the boots are caused by YOUR carrier,,your connection and or your computer

Although it is alot of fun to make fun of the server!!!!!! LMAO

Be Well
T

[sinderella]

there's a chat?

hmm...whattya know, there it is right up there at the top... :) cool!

[JohnVanDom]

Say owner/moderator - sometime you might pop into the "competition" Literotica.com - on a Saturday night almost 1000 chat people in dozens of rooms....

...but, they can simultaneously PM and chat - while this one makes you completely lose the chatroom while striking up a conversation.

...and regional/by country chats would be great - see Alt.com for samples of that

Love the site - I'm sticking as it grows.

John Hubertz
Fort Wayne, Indiana

[thepast]

1. We purposefully have the chat set up as we do-- it is a far more intimate, friendly joint. We aren't opting to be the "most popular"-- we want to create a place where anyone, anywhere, regardless of gender, orientation, kink/fetish, or level of experience (whether o/l or r/l) feels welcome & part of the community. We have no desire to have an "empire" as you so describe other sites having.

So with that in mind...

2. You can simultaniously whisper & chat in the room at the same time. See Chat FAQ in the Guidelines section of the forums to see how.

3. You can, at any time, create a room and have a group in it talking about any issue you would like to discuss (as long as it's not in violation of Chat Guidelines).

4. If you have other questions, members, or myself, Torq or any of my chat mods can answer them for you...

Regards,

delia, Chat Admin

[denuseri]

My owner and I shopped around quite a bit and I wouldn't change a thing about the lay out here.

In our opinion this site is the best bdsm themed one on the whole internet.

It's not so large as to cause things to become too impersonal, it is the most informative and intelectually organized, and has far more features available to its members, especially in the chat room.

[Veralynne]

Hi! Can anyone help?

I have never had any problems using the chat on the website before- but now when I click the link it goes to a blank page saying the internet cannot open it. Was anything changed? I never had this issue before. It's been this way for a number of hours now. Any advice??

[Diablo]

It you are using Firefox make sure you have the java plug in installed and the ad block add on not installed or disabled. IE make sure the java is updated.

[GearJammer]

not using firefox, using IE, same problem for two days, multiple wifi hookups.

[GearJammer]

Just updated Java, no help.

[thepast]

1. Server has been updated & worked on the last few days... patience please! :)

2. If you are getting a "can't connect" & you're on a public connection, could be that your ISP is blocking the chat-- sometimes it will allow you onto forums but not into chat.

Just a few to help out.

[GearJammer]

1. Server has been updated & worked on the last few days... patience please! :)

2. If you are getting a "can't connect" & you're on a public connection, could be that your ISP is blocking the chat-- sometimes it will allow you onto forums but not into chat.

Just a few to help out.

Thanks, Delia. Largely leech wifi, or use coffee shops, etc. My problem is likely the first one, as nodes that have let me on consistently in the past are not letting me on now, so I don't think it's a firewall at the ISP issue.

[Veralynne]

Yes- I agree with GearJammer- always worked at this place before- nothing has changed.

*tries to wait patiently*

[Bobbitsj]

I was wondering where everyone goes for internet chat these days. I have checked out the library chat room several times but not a lot seems to happen there. Back in the day msn had several bdsm themed chat rooms but they all shut down. I'm sure all of these thousands of people who enjoyed the chat rooms went somewhere!

If anyone knows where everyone went after msn shut down I'd certainly like to hear from you.

[steelish]

lol. Well, you obviously pop into the library chat room at the wrong times then! Lots of fun happens there, much talk of the lifestyle, play, games, antics, etc. - as well as other "vanilla" pursuits such as sports, food, family, etc.

The chat room is a great way to get to know folks in the forum - hope to see you there sometime!

[Twisted32]

i havent been able to get INTO chat for almost a week now. everytime I try theres a page load error....... :(

[tentative]

I'm also having trouble with getting the chatroom to load....



help? lol

[Diablo]

We are currently experiencing server issues causing issues with chat access and some other features. It is being worked on and will be up soon.

[subrob99]

Get message dns unavailable
Thanks

[lil ashley]

Suggest you view Site Issues... go to last post and all will be clear... good idea to always check there before posting a new thread.. 'specially when they've been working really really hard to get the site back in balance... just an idea... *s* ash

[Lion_in_Disguise]

It seems that I cannot bring up the Chatrooms. Previously, my problem was the Chat program itself not launching. Now, It seems I cannot connect to the chat server at all, regarless of what Browser or computer I'm using.

Does it just not like my account?

[lil_one]

I have the same problem... nothing at all happens..

[lady kisa]

I think that chat is still down. huggles..am sure it will be up soon. hope you are having a good night. =)

[Lion_in_Disguise]

Alrighty. I suspected as much, as the site has recently come back up...I was just trying to make sure my other chat related problem hadn't uh... evolved.

The funny thing is... My sub can access chat w/o all the clearing data history and total system reboot I have to deal with, from the very same workstation I'm using now....Drives me crazy.

[Thorne]

The funny thing is... My sub can access chat w/o all the clearing data history and total system reboot I have to deal with, from the very same workstation I'm using now....Drives me crazy.

Sounds like something in your personalized browser settings. Check to make sure your browser isn't deleting cookies when it closes. That might account for it.

[lucky#13]

I have not been able to even got on the website for a week and now I still can't get to the chat room?

[Torq]

Ok, Folks,,,,

Site back up an doing fine,,

Chat is still down will NOT be back online until at least Thursday or Friday 1/16

PATIENCE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks alllll
T

[JimmyJump]

Ok, Folks,,,,

Site back up an doing fine,,

Chat is still down will NOT be back online until at least Thursday or Friday 1/16

PATIENCE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks alllll
T


Nice work there, Mr T. :264:

Seems everything is like before the downtime, with the exception of the ability to add stories to one's shelf... but that will get corrected asap, I suspect...

Cheers Torq


JJ

[satisfied]

chat? chat? chat? chat? chat?

I'm not addicted!

I just miss my friends!

LMAO!

[oww-that-hurt]

2009 has not been a good year for me in the chat room

heck, even the main site has been impossible to get into some days

currently when i try to get into chat, i get a notice that the connection was interrupted during negotiations

a few days ago i got in but it was as if i was a voiceless fly on the wall

one recent day when i got in there was absolutely nobody else there, even after i hung around and did a few things at my desk, waiting to see if anybody showed up

has something happened to the site that makes it difficult for those with 56k dial-ups?

all of my software is 100% up-to-date (done daily), the computer is barely a month old, i clean up all history items daily when i shut down, it doesn't matter if i use IE or FireFox... that is just some background info

[satisfied]

oww-that-hurt: they are working on it. T said it should be back up later this week.....see above post......it's not just you.

[FairyTale]

It's the y2.09k problem... Scary...

[juicysub]

Roflmfao!

[subrob99]

Is the chat room down?

[juicysub]

the chat should be up by tomorrow at the latest, thats what Torq said. :) read up just a bit hun :)

[Resist]

2009 has not been a good year for me in the chat room

heck, even the main site has been impossible to get into some days

currently when i try to get into chat, i get a notice that the connection was interrupted during negotiations

a few days ago i got in but it was as if i was a voiceless fly on the wall

one recent day when i got in there was absolutely nobody else there, even after i hung around and did a few things at my desk, waiting to see if anybody showed up

has something happened to the site that makes it difficult for those with 56k dial-ups?

all of my software is 100% up-to-date (done daily), the computer is barely a month old, i clean up all history items daily when i shut down, it doesn't matter if i use IE or FireFox... that is just some background info

Your computer is barely a month old and yet you have dial-up? That sucks :( Splurge on DSL or whatever. It's worth it!

[Torq]

YES,,,

Still down and STILL working on it


PATIENCE PLLLLEEEEAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!

T

[snowflake]

Comes in and smacks all the impatient subbies ... Listen To Torq and stop being brats ..giggles ..

Torq thankyou for your hard work Sir .. i know it can be a head ache and i along with others truly appreciate all the time and work you have put into it..
Patience i have as i know what is involved to an extent... and that is what a sub is supposed to be anyways ...{looks at all the other subs and sticks out my tongue}

So again thankyou Sir for all your hard work and thank Tiger as well .. and delia as i know it can be hard on others around you when this stuff happens...

hugs
snow

[MitchC]

Okay, T. Thanks for the update. I for one am just glad the forum is working again. We look forward to the chat returning as soon as you can get it working.

Mitch

[Zulika]

I am new here but waiting for the chatroom to work once angain

[Torq]

Chat is up BUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still working on same NOT 100% yet has issues to be resolved yet,,,,, again

PATIENCE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thks
T

[Arria]

*hugs Torq* Thanks for the hard work!

[Torq]

Chat up and running ,,,HOWEVER still working on few features, colors, etc

Hopefully just a few more days

Thanks

T

[thepast]

Ok, gang! We're completely up & fixed! There are some subtle color differences, but we INTENDED to change them, so they're staying...

Enjoy the room!

[satisfied]

Comes in and smacks all the impatient subbies ... Listen To Torq and stop being brats ..giggles ..

Patience i have as i know what is involved to an extent... and that is what a sub is supposed to be anyways ...{looks at all the other subs and sticks out my tongue}


hugs
snow

:eek: Ummmm.........I am sooooo telling Tester'. He is gonna put you back in the machine for being a brat!

*sticks out tongue*
sati

[GearJammer]

Ok, gang! We're completely up & fixed! There are some subtle color differences, but we INTENDED to change them, so they're staying...

Enjoy the room!

Many thanks to you and Torq (and anyone else behind the scenes we don't know about). Like snowy, I have some idea of what you just had to go through to get it done, and it is honestly appreciated, believe me.

[Resist]

I have cleared all data (cookies, cache, etc), but when I click chat I get a black screen. If I try to navigate back to bdsmlibrary, I get a 'network timeout' and have to wait a little while before I can get back to the main page.

Anyone else experiencing this?


(I realize there are still little things being worked on but I wasn't clear if it's still not working for everyone since T's last post just talked about colors, etc.)


EDIT: Not eight seconds later I click it and get in. Go me!

[lil ashley]

Hi.. when I go into chat on this site I can view the participant list. I can click on the name and get the menu that gives the option to "Whisper, PM, View Profile, etc." But when I click on an option, nothing happens. With my old computer I didn't have problems.

I have a new Compaq/HP with Vista and HP has that stupid "click to copy" option. Is this what is causing the problem or is there some other thing someone might know about.

Thanks for any and all help with this.. lil ashley

[lil ashley]

Well, finally figured it out. It was an HP add on to the Explorer browser. Smart clips with clip help, etc. Just disabled all 3 of them and "presto" using the contact window in chat now works. So, please disregard this. Thanks to all who at a peak at this. - ash

[Pearlgem]

I can't access chat at all since the revamp. Everything else is fine. Am I the only one?

[PinkSugar]

I have not been able to use chat since I first signed on here. All I get is a blank black screen.

[Pearlgem]

Not just me then. The blank black screen is all I get too.

[thepast]

It's either a java issue or a browser issue that you are describing. It can also be an issue with your plug-ins... but it isn't a chat-based problem: it works for 98% of folks.

Good luck!

[Arria]

I only get the black screen as well now. It worked fine last night.

[suchaminx]

I got a black screen too but 10 seconds later it opened up fine.

Not sure if that helps anyone but I am not good at patience and 10 seconds seemed like forever!!! :)

[thepast]

Thanks, minxy, maybe I should have mentioned that *laughs* Please be patient and give it up to 30 seconds to load!

[Arria]

It works for me now :-)

[Pearlgem]

I gave it 38 mins. It just sat there. Hmm...

[symphony]

sorry if this has been answered but i cant find anything quite like this. I can log into the chat room and it all works and i can speak however after about 10 secons the page goes black if i refresh it comes back and then does it again i have cleared my cookies etc but to no avail. any ideas?

[SlaveSlut69420]

Hey everytime i click on the CHAT button all i get is the forum pages? N E 1 else?

[Lillyrose123]

I am having the same problem as SlaveSlut69420... i click on chat and get the forum page...

What's up?

Lillyrose123

[wind_dancer{W_W}]

Same here

[jonjon]

here we go again!*smh*

[thepast]

We're on it.

[Torq]

fixed!!!!!

T

[Pearlgem]

So it is! Thanks all x x

[PinkSugar]

Sill not working for me, although I now get a white box at the bottom of the black screen.

[Pearlgem]

Oops, spoke too soon, it worked once then back to the same old black screen....

[Torq]

Chat is 100% fixed,, IF your still having issues it's NOT the site it's your system,,, Try clearing ALL cookies,,Make sure you have the latest Java updates (there free) also Patience it takes about 10-15 seconds to load on some systems.

Thanks ALLLLL

Be Well

T

[symphony]

.... i have the latest java, I cleared all my cookies, its still kicking me off every 30 secs... im out of ideas!

[thepast]

Could be a RAM issue. Most machines w/over 1GB of Ram have no problem, but machines with less tend to get kicked more frequently.

Also can depend on how much other junk you have open & running (RAM issue again).

[PinkSugar]

I have cleared my cookies several times.
I am not very computer savy but am fairly certian I have the latest java updates. Is there a way to check to see if I have what is needed for chat ? I am not even getting it to open to get kicked off.

I have 2GB of ram, so that should not be what is causing my problem.
I dont have any other programs open....
my 'other' junk...uses batteries ( sorry couldnt resist that )

[symphony]

yeh i also have 2gb ram, brand new lap top. *scratches head*, allready tried closing everything else down and it doesnt help.

[Diablo]

If you are using Firefox and have no script or adblock running the java will not run and will appear as a black screen with a white box where you would normally type.

[PinkSugar]

I have uninstalled and reinstalled firefox, made sure I had all the java updates.
On Firefox I dont even get the white box, it is only there when using IE
I turned off all the pop up blockers.
Any other suggestions, or should I just give up ?

[Thorne]

I have uninstalled and reinstalled firefox, made sure I had all the java updates.
On Firefox I dont even get the white box, it is only there when using IE
I turned off all the pop up blockers.
Any other suggestions, or should I just give up ?

The only thing I can think of is that either your firewall is blocking it or your ISP is blocking it. Since you are on the forums it's unlikely to be your ISP.

Try turning off your firewall, briefly, and see if you can get in then. If so, you'll need to tune up your firewall settings. DO NOT continue running without the firewall. Once you've determined whether or not that is the problem, turn it back on and figure out how to fix it from there. Running without the firewall can be dangerous.

[Veralynne]

I can't open chat either. I use IE. I have no idea what the problem is. This has happened to me before- but I don't know how it resolved itself. I've tried all the fixes suggested :-(

[Devious70]

I have read through the many posts here. I get an "Internet Exploere cannot display the webpage" error every time I try and open chat. I have already deleted all temp files, cookies, and restarted the browser as well as the computer. I have updated java and restarted the browser as well as the computer. Is there something else I can/should try. Thanks in advance for any help out there.

Devious in Iraq

UPDATE: its not the firewall. I am looking for any other security settings that might block it but no luck so far.

[Thorne]

I have read through the many posts here. I get an "Internet Exploere cannot display the webpage" error every time I try and open chat. I have already deleted all temp files, cookies, and restarted the browser as well as the computer. I have updated java and restarted the browser as well as the computer. Is there something else I can/should try. Thanks in advance for any help out there.

Devious in Iraq

UPDATE: its not the firewall. I am looking for any other security settings that might block it but no luck so far.

The only other thing I can think of is that Internet Explorer has some sort of problem. I have similar problems with different websites, involving downloading. Can't do it on IE, but no problem on Firefox. I suggest trying a different browser, if possible. If none of the browser's work, it's either an ISP problem or Window's security.

You might also make sure you're trying to access it with a User profile having Administrator priveleges. I can't think of why that should matter, but it's something to try.

[naomislave7591]

hello everybody i am in a dilemma can somebody help me my laptop that i normally have conked out on me last week so i had 2 get a replacement i can into every other information but i cant get into chat when i try it pops up with this message this application requires flash please install the latest flash player from abode the name of the replacement is called packard bell and it is a easy note i am getting most frustrated that i cant get into the chat room can somebody help me with my dilemma

[JimmyJump]

hello everybody i am in a dilemma can somebody help me my laptop that i normally have conked out on me last week so i had 2 get a replacement i can into every other information but i cant get into chat when i try it pops up with this message this application requires flash please install the latest flash player from abode the name of the replacement is called packard bell and it is a easy note i am getting most frustrated that i cant get into the chat room can somebody help me with my dilemma

Check here (http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/) for the latest download of Adobe Flashplayer. It's free.

JJ

[Devious70]

It must be something with the ISP. I even downloaded Firefox and it doesn't work there. I suppose it could be something with the router or decoder. I am currently going through an Italian satellite. Regardless, Thanks for the help.

[symphony]

*sighs* i dont know much about computers, I'm still not able to get on chat tried disabling and re-enebling things i dont know what fire fox is but i dont have it is that the problem? i use internet explorer and wireless. i deffinately have the latest java and flashplayer... hints? tips?

[JimmyJump]

*sighs* i dont know much about computers, I'm still not able to get on chat tried disabling and re-enebling things i dont know what fire fox is but i dont have it is that the problem? i use internet explorer and wireless. i deffinately have the latest java and flashplayer... hints? tips?

Firefox is just another browser, like Internet Explorer.

I don't use chat, but I've come to understand that it is sometimes down, due to problems with the site's code.

Try opening a second window of the forum, before you enter chat. There's similar problems when trying to edit a review (getting an error when doing so) but like I mentioned before, you can circumvent that error by opening a second window of the forum, or your own profile page, and then entering chat.

Hope this helped a bit. :)


JJ

[GearJammer]

Started new thread so as to be separated from the old one that seemed to be jumping on Torq and company.

Torq, in case you haven't been told, Chat is down. Well, it's down for me, anyway, and I've hit it from 3 different wifi nodes to see if that was the problem. I did the standard cache clear (and additionally ran Crap Cleaner). Still no go.

I made a new profile, in case my comp was crapping over the old one. It's Gear{kp}. Not trying to hide anything. Still down. I get the standard 440 error.

Take care, T

Gear.

[Thorne]

I just got in with no problem, Gear. Got to be on your end, somewhere. There's plenty of others in there.

[GearJammer]

I just got in with no problem, Gear. Got to be on your end, somewhere. There's plenty of others in there.

Thanks, Thorne, I appreciate it. Let's me know I have some work to do. Thanks again.

[thepast]

There's 20+ people in GJ... try clearing your cookies. If cookies fill, it won't let you in, or it will keep bouncing you everytime you do get in...

Good luck.

[GearJammer]

There's 20+ people in GJ... try clearing your cookies. If cookies fill, it won't let you in, or it will keep bouncing you everytime you do get in...

Good luck.

Turned out that some wifi nodes here had switched filters (apparently) and that was the problem. Found an open wifi node and got right in. Appreciate the suggestion to clear cookies, but I did that above when I did a standard cache clear. Probably used the wrong words to describe it.

[Pearlgem]

Okay, I've got to admit it. I have no idea what cookies are, whether they're a good thing or not or how to clear them. I don't deserve access to chat!

[GearJammer]

Okay, I've got to admit it. I have no idea what cookies are, whether they're a good thing or not or how to clear them. I don't deserve access to chat!
If you are using Microsoft Explorer (IE), look in the upper right hand corner of the screen. You should see "Tools" with a arrowhead pointing down just to the right of it. Hit the arrowhead, and a dropdown menu should appear.

At the top of the dropdown menu you should see "Delete Browsing History..." Click on that, and a window should appear giving you the option to delete Temporary Internet Files, Cookies, History, Form Data, and Passwords.

You can simply delete all cookies by hitting that button, whereupon the browser will delete them and drop the window out, and you're done.

If you hit "Delete all" at the bottom, another window will appear asking if you really want to delete all browsing history and giving you a check box to check if you want to delete all files and settings stored by add-ons.

I like to clear it all, so I check the box for deleting all files and setting stored by add-ons, and then click the yes button and watch it do its thing.

Hope this helps.

[Thorne]

Okay, I've got to admit it. I have no idea what cookies are, whether they're a good thing or not or how to clear them. I don't deserve access to chat!

What you deserve.....
Well, we'll save that for chat.

Using Internet Explorer, click on the Tools Menu (up at the top, says 'Tools'), click on 'Internet Options', select the 'General Tab'. Under 'Browsing History' click on the 'Delete...' button.
Next to 'Temporary Internet Files' hit the 'Delete files...' button and click 'Yes'.
Do the same for the 'Delete cookies...' button. Then click 'Close', at the bottom, then 'OK'.

Using Firefox, click on the Tools Menu, click on 'Options...', click on 'Privacy' along the top row, then click on 'Show Cookies' and then 'Remove All Cookies'. Click on 'Close', then 'OK' and you're done!

Good luck!

WARNING!!! This procedure will not remove cookie CRUMBS from the keyboard! You're on your own for that.

[drusilla]

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[sarasub1964]

Is the chat room down as i cant get in to it

[BS4U]

Seems to be working now

[Tufty]

Yep...working fine for me, too

[thepast]

Just to clarify.... recently many members have had a black screen for up to 30 seconds before chat loads... please be patient if it isn't instantanious! That being said, the chat program is stable & works well. People who frequently get "kicked" by the server either have a poor connection, not enough ram, or their cookies are filled...

[danman7]

Just since the server change on Christmas Eve, I have been unable to get into Chat using Firefox version 3.5.6. I CAN get in using IE 8.0. It may be an add-on in Firefox that is causing the issue, but I'm not sure which one it could be. I've disabled the 2 that I thought it would be (Ad Block Plus and NoScript) and it still won't load.

Anyone else had similar experiences?

[Midnytedreams]

I use Mozilla Firefox and have no problems with chat....So don't think its Firefox maybe you should try setting the internet preferences to default..works for me.

[danman7]

Hmm, strangely enough, I restarted FF without reloading all the (9) tabs I had open and with just bdsmlibrary open, I was able to get into chat just fine. Either an issue with memory, or one of the other tabs may be spawning a process that is conflicting some how. Anyway, problem solved.

[rollsroycemk1]

Hi
How can you tell if you have been naaughty in chat and been dropped.Or is it a tech. problem?

[thepast]

If you are kicked from chat for a rules infraction, you won't be able to get back in for a certain period of time. If you are banned from chat for a rules infraction, you won't be able to get back in for a certain period of time, or perm., depending on the ban.

ALL OTHER INSTANCES of being "kicked" from the room is simply your computer dropping the connection: your wifi drops the connection, your browser cookies are full, etc. It has NOTHING to do w/chat.

[Tachyon]

Suddenly I cannot get into chat anymore. What has happened? Please advise

Tachyon

[Torq]

http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php/23633-Revitalization!

[maristar]

Just wondering if there is anyway to see who is online on chat before you go in?
I know you can see who is on the forums but is there a function to see for just that chatroom or aswell as the forums?
Thanks ft xx

[Torq]

Nope,

T

[Reya]

I've been having some trouble entering the chat forums lately, especially at night when I usually have more time to spend talking to people. Is anyone else having troubles? Or should I check for updates on my computer?

[VaAugusta]

I haven't had any troubles Reya, maybe it'd be better to give a little more insight into your computer. For example, OS and browser are good starters to get help.

[MitchC]

I just saw Torq's post advising that Internet Explorer be set as our browser for being in the chat room.

I have a problem: My computer had a virus earlier this week. I cannot access the library, or any other sites, via Internet Explorer, as my computer freezes up every time I try to do so. Although my Internet Explorer is the most recent version, I have a feeling it became corrupted or otherwise damaged by the virus I had.

I am currently using Google Chrome browser to access the forum and chat room. It seems fine, and has not given me any issues with accessing the forum or chat.

I would appreciate if a mod or someone who might have information about such issues, thinks it would be okay for me to still continue to access the forum and chat via Google Chrome?

Thanks,
Mitch

[chipmunk_]

Hi Mitch.

Chrome seems to be consistently working well with the forums and that chat room. There shouldn't be any problem if you continue to use it.

I've been using only Chrome for over a month, now, and I haven't had any trouble.

Good luck!

chipmunk

[MitchC]

Thanks for the reply, chipmunk. I appreciate it. I'm glad that you are having no issues accessing the chat and forum using Google Chrome. I'm going to keep using it as well, as long as I can keep accessing the chat and forum with it, because my Internet Explorer seems dead.

Take it easy,
Mitch

[MasterAnon]

I can not connect to chat lately, i click the link and it loads up the html side of the page but the JavaScript part of it fails to work, normally i use chrome for visiting here, but chrome, ie, and firefox all don't work, plus i went onto a different computer and tried it with firefox, and again does not work. I keep trying to I've had 0 success

[MasterMatthew70]

Hi all can you log into chat via irc? If so what are the settings?

[Anita Blake]

sorry wrong thread

[ImperialWaltz]

My friend keeps getting kicked out of chat and I know she wasn't been banned or any thing. this has happened 7 times. what is wrong with chat and why is it butting people??

[ImperialWaltz]

no no I don't think that was the issue. we were just talking in Private Chat. nothing sexual or anything. just catching up as friend. if anyone between the two I should be the one who should have been knocked out of chat allot there coz I was the one being more sexual -chuckles- flirting is fun, you know?
she told me when she was responding her screen would go black and she would be sent out of the chat room or the same thing would happen two seconds after she comes back on.
So I was just wondering if it might have been a bug, thats all.

and I'll link her what you showed me

thanks

[Minimargo]

Is it possible to chat on iPhone (safari)?
Margo

[UnholyAdvent]

I know mobile isn't compatible with a whole lot but my phone has up to date flash and adobe reader, so just wondering a couple of things; 1: is that all that is required to run bdsmlibrary? If not then what other plugins are necessary? And 2: Is there a mobile version to bdsm?

[lozerette]

FWIW, I browse on my android phone without much difficulty.

[UnholyAdvent]

Yea same here, I just can't get chat to work.. does it work on your mobile?

[ImperialWaltz]

I'm sure this is temporary but just a moment ago I clicked out of chat by mistake. Going back in it brings me to a white screen that says I need to download the newest version of Flash. I go to do this and it says my computer already has this downloaded and it auto updates itself whenever a new version comes out.

So my question is why is it telling me too do this? Is it just something wrong with my computer or is this happening too others? Just wondering.

Thanks

[ImperialWaltz]

Nevermind its working now. Most of been something with my computer, as I though.

Thanks anyway

[littlebitsexy{MR}]

help I can't find the chat Icon.. I want to enter Chat. Please help me

[dysphoria]

ahh neither can I

[~CreamySub~]

nor I

[dysphoria]

*cries*

[littlebitsexy{MR}]

Knock, Knock,... May I please come in?

[kurious-kitten{KM}]

hehehe bitsy *starts picking the lock*

[littlebitsexy{MR}]

I want to play too

[dysphoria]

Theres a thread on "how to make sure you can see it" or whatever.. but none of that has worked for me

[kurious-kitten{KM}]

where?

[dysphoria]

http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php/24590-Recent-Difficulties-Accessing-Forums-Chat?p=904621#post904621

[littlebitsexy{MR}]

does not work for me

[trainmekitty]

That post is from January. There is something going on now. The colors aren't right, the chat link is gone.

[Domina_Katrina]

yea when they re-modeled the webpage colors etc... they took away the chat button / link.... hope they fix it soon

[~CreamySub~]

i was speeking to snark he is in chat, they hope it is fixed by tomarrow omg omg omg I need chat :( sososo sad

[~CreamySub~]

we can chat here lol. I tried looking for a back door was not one :(

[annwyl_kittara]

Omg!!! Having chat withdrawls!!!

[Darkest Dragon]

no chat icon hmmmm

[annwyl_kittara]

:((

[Darkest Dragon]

huffs and puffs but no chat grumbles and lowers His head watching for a door

[annwyl_kittara]

*curls up in her corner and cries*

[annwyl_kittara]

LOL Torq....

[~CreamySub~]

I never new it said Head pervert under Torqs name :) Patience yes well I am working on it, have been punished about it also :( Thank you Torq we know u r doing your best

[Daddyslittleslut {CYR}]

Thank you Torq Sir, for working on it so quickly.

[Barbara4]

Give me Patience, and give it to me NOW!!!!!!!!! LOL!
Good Luck Torq, we miss the chat.

[Switch_John]

well. good things come in time. in the mean time.....lets have a pow wow

[brace [EDQ]]

Torq,
Hopefully you will take our yearning as a compliment - we enjoy what you have created Sir.

[love_m]

Thank you for all the posts from which I know I am not alone. :) Wow, this is almost like a chat room. Torq's presence is so exciting and His words reassuring !