Who Wins In 2008

[mkemse]

Who Would You Like To See Win The White House In 2008??

[_ID_]

You didn't list all the choices.

Isn't Ron Paul running as an independant? His name, nor that category are there, and he is a real consideration for many people. Will he win, maybe not, more like a Ross Perot effect I would suspect. Too many sheepish voters in America that vote like the TV and boughten advertising tells them to.

[mkemse]

You didn't list all the choices.

Isn't Ron Paul running as an independant? His name, nor that category are there, and he is a real consideration for many people. Will he win, maybe not, more like a Ross Perot effect I would suspect. Too many sheepish voters in America that vote like the TV and boughten advertising tells them to.


He is but do to the number of those "Running" i only listed the top 3-4 for each party or I shoud have had to list 30 people, but i did post a spot for otherdems or repbuican on the bottom, sorry i didnot include him by name

plus i believei s he runig but ready to pull out

[Guest 91108]

clinton - There are many reasons I would not vote for Clinton. but a Bush.Clinton.Bush.Clinton president cycle seems to be so be a bad precedent. So I won't contribute to it. She carries on about experience; but She has not done anything that I can see affects me or mine. a no vote.

Obama - The thing with obama is he's not said anything I have not liked. Nothing that makes him stand out.

Edwards - I don't trust edwards \./ And someone who can't be trusted won't get the vote. He said same things in last candidacy and has not shown me anything new. a no vote.

Huckabee is a religious extremeist IMO. reason enough to be a no vote.

Romney is another religious extremeist in his own right. a no vote.
from romney and huckabee one should learn not to bring religion into their candidacy.

Giuliani - I'd vote bugs bunny in before I'd take guiltiani as a president. a no vote.

McCain - screecher didn't win his last bid for presidency .. doubt he'll win again. Tried and failed tactics .. a no vote.

Ron Paul would get my vote if he is on the ballot.

In lieu of that .. I suppose I will most likely vote obama.
clinton and any other candidate and most likely I won't even vote.
a choice between fuck ups is no choice that is how we got bushy2

[mkemse]

Does anyone feel that The Democrats will Retake The White House and that in Genberal Repbilcan Rule after 8 years is overthis time around??

[Guest 91108]

no vote on the poll after a day shows me the interest in current political trends. I think media polls are a joke.
I'd prefer another party to take control but many states have shown reluctance to place third party candidates. kinda of a set up IMO.

[mkemse]

no vote on the poll after a day shows me the interest in current political trends. I think media polls are a joke.
I'd prefer another party to take control but many states have shown reluctance to place third party candidates. kinda of a set up IMO.

Could be right, but I will eave it there just to see if anyone is intrested

[js207]

no vote on the poll after a day shows me the interest in current political trends. I think media polls are a joke.
I'd prefer another party to take control but many states have shown reluctance to place third party candidates. kinda of a set up IMO.

TBH, none of the options is particularly appealing. If I had to pick one, it would probably be Giuliani, essentially because he seems to have done a good job cleaning up NY as Mayor - but that's not much of a basis for picking a President. The others, though, seem even worse to me, without even that small positive aspect!

[mkemse]

TBH, none of the options is particularly appealing. If I had to pick one, it would probably be Giuliani, essentially because he seems to have done a good job cleaning up NY as Mayor - but that's not much of a basis for picking a President. The others, though, seem even worse to me, without even that small positive aspect!


I simply post in the pol the names of those who are viewed as Front Runners, and it is very possible NONe have any appeal to anyone, but ANYONE has to be better then what we have no excpet 1 or 2 who's namei wil not mentioned as their stands are known

[mkemse]

My apologies to all for posting the poll, it is apprent at this point there is limited interest if any in it

[Nemz]

I have to admit, I haven't been paying as much attention to the candidates as I should be. My interest in politics has fallen in the last few years.

However, with the knowledge I do have on the candidates.. I'd have to say none of the above. Anyone running right now just doesn't seem to fit what we need. The only person I think would have is Fiengold, but he more then likely would never had made it as a democrat and has things to do in the Senate yet.

I do need to find out more about Ron Paul though. I keep seeing his name all over the place.

[TomOfSweden]

Which one of them is openly atheist? I'd support that one.

[mkemse]

None I know of, All The Republicans are all Preaching, Huckabee is a Babtist Preacer, Romey is a Mormon Rudy is Cathlic, And McCain is McCain none are talking about not believingi n god

Let's Elect Bill Gates Of MicroSoft he is an open Athiest, which is interesting since his wife is a very devote Cathlic, which 2 general do not mix marriagw wise,, but she has 53 BILLION reasons to love him :)

[Guest 91108]

Iowa says obama and huckleberry.
so I reckon it's a matter of will the status quo win out again and put pukeberry in or will people take a chance on the new possiblities.

[annie]

I don't follow politics really well but i find 2 things interesting from the Iowa polls....

1) that Huckabee won. Since what I have seen of him has not been impressive.
2) I wonder how much gender/race has to do with the race between Obama and Clinton. Would everyone rather have a black president over a female president? Or, how much does Bill's legacy hurt Clinton....

*goes off to ponder those things a bit*

[TomOfSweden]

I don't follow politics really well but i find 2 things interesting from the Iowa polls....

1) that Huckabee won. Since what I have seen of him has not been impressive.
2) I wonder how much gender/race has to do with the race between Obama and Clinton. Would everyone rather have a black president over a female president? Or, how much does Bill's legacy hurt Clinton....

*goes off to ponder those things a bit*

I follow US politics far too much for it to be considered healthy. Both Hillary and Huckabee are spouting fear mongering baloney. Huckabee is trying to get in on the Republican hard on crime and yay to guns action for votes. And Hillary is trying to get in on the "but think of the family" bullshit action. I'd say both of those to have dealt themselves a technical knock-out simply based on their dumb-ass populism appeal. Obama is the only guy who seems to have any kind of self respect left. I don't see the black vs female conflict. Obama just seems to be the smarter candidate. Sure it's good to have a minority as the president for image purposes, but not as far as policy is concerned. I don't think women in power are any different than men in power. They're just prettier.

Anyhoo, it's really none of my business since USA is very far away.

[Guest 91108]

I don't think it's a black thing or a woman thing.
though clinton doesn't help the case for women... I wonder sometimes about that part of her anyways.. but that is another thread.
She's not the right person for the job At this time.
and I dont' see any republican that is.
appears to be Obama for Pres.

[mkemse]

People are clammering for a change, let's give them what they want, if it doesn't "work out" we have 2012, rmeber what we have dealt with the last 8 years, 1 President who served 2 terms, not even elected to his first, was placed there by the Suprmem Court and in 2004 he did not even get 50% ofthe vote, ANYTHING has to be better then what we have now

[H Dean]

. I don't think women in power are any different than men in power. They're just prettier.


Take a closer look at Hilary, Tom.

[mkemse]

My best Guess Is That After New Hampshire, That Obama will walk away with the nomination, that does not mean I support him, will not say yet if i do or ont, but if he wins on tuesday 1-8 and wins convincingly like by 10% or more, it may very well be over
Super Tueday Feb 5 will and should be the deciding day

[TomOfSweden]

Take a closer look at Hilary, Tom.

What can I say. Power turns me on. I think she's hot. And she forgave her husband's kinky sex with an intern and cigar. I like woman who aren't too big headed to live with that fact. The proven power to forgive I think is a good quality.

[Thorne]

What can I say. Power turns me on. I think she's hot. And she forgave her husband's kinky sex with an intern and cigar. I like woman who aren't too big headed to live with that fact. The proven power to forgive I think is a good quality.

You really think she forgave him? Hardly! She made a politically expedient move of not divorcing him. To do so would probably have destroyed any political power she has. IF she is elected President, however, I would be very surprised to find Bill living at the White House with her.

[rce]

The best candidate is, in my opinion, John McCain. He is an experienced and steadfast guy.

The best Democrat candidate is Bill Richardson. Hillary Clinton talks on and on about her political experience, when Richardson has so much more. He was member of Bill Clintons cabinet, has been embassador, now he is a Governor. I am surprised he has not polled better.

[mkemse]

The best candidate is, in my opinion, John McCain. He is an experienced and steadfast guy.

The best Democrat candidate is Bill Richardson. Hillary Clinton talks on and on about her political experience, when Richardson has so much more. He was member of Bill Clintons cabinet, has been embassador, now he is a Governor. I am surprised he has not polled better.

My guess is the he has not polled better and that Obama has been leading because like last November people do want chage and Obamam is the only cadidate to continue talking about change, this is not meant to say Obama, will win or is theb est candiate but he has been talking about change from the first day NO other candidate by either party has done that

[ElectricBadger]

People are clammering for a change, let's give them what they want, if it doesn't "work out" we have 2012, rmeber what we have dealt with the last 8 years, 1 President who served 2 terms, not even elected to his first, was placed there by the Suprmem Court and in 2004 he did not even get 50% ofthe vote, ANYTHING has to be better then what we have now

Sadly, I don't think people ARE really clammoring for a change...I put aside all notions of that when Bush was re-elected. And alas, for his second term he did, indeed, recieve over 50% of the popular vote (not that, in my opinion, that legitimizes).

I'm not sure my money is on Obama, but I'm hopeful for him. I think he's a man who would actually be a Good president, I'm just not sure Americans are intelligent enough to realize that (or deserve it).

[MasterDennis]

Not really into american politics to me ( as Dutchman ) they seems to mesh things up every time some one gets elected :p

[TomOfSweden]

You really think she forgave him? Hardly! She made a politically expedient move of not divorcing him. To do so would probably have destroyed any political power she has. IF she is elected President, however, I would be very surprised to find Bill living at the White House with her.

Hey, you. Don't destroy my fantasy. I hear Sarkozy of France has bagged himself quite a lady. US politicians has a lot to learn when it comes to sleeping around. Step one is to be proud of it. :)

[Logic1]

Hey, you. Don't destroy my fantasy. I hear Sarkozy of France has bagged himself quite a lady. US politicians has a lot to learn when it comes to sleeping around. Step one is to be proud of it. :)

HAHAHA that comment just owns. Yes that Carla Bruni is one hot lady :)

I keep wondering what kind of experience that Hillary has.. I mean we all hear she talks about her experience but I cant see that much of it tbh.

[Thorne]

Hey, you. Don't destroy my fantasy. I hear Sarkozy of France has bagged himself quite a lady. US politicians has a lot to learn when it comes to sleeping around. Step one is to be proud of it. :)

First the American people have to get over their Puritanical view of sex in general. It seems rather ridiculous to me that a TV program about, say, breast cancer cannot actually SHOW a breast.

[Logic1]

First the American people have to get over their Puritanical view of sex in general. It seems rather ridiculous to me that a TV program about, say, breast cancer cannot actually SHOW a breast.

quoted for truth.
What iffs me is that violence and murder and things like that, can be shown to kids at a way younger age than sex or even naked bodies can. A really strange way to think about what can be harmful to the children imho..

another thing
www.wiggumforprez08.com

now THERE´s a winner ;)

[MitchC]

For "Who I would like to see win", I picked Edwards, but I know he has no chance. As for the nominations, I believe that it will be Hillary for the Democrats, and for the Republicans, I'll go with Mccain.

While Obama pulled off a nice upset victory in Iowa, last night's win by Hillary in New Hampshire shows that there might be a consensus that he isnt experienced enough. I'm a staunch Democrat, and would take either.

I will be very surprised if another Republican wins the White House, especially if that Republican candidate is Mccain. While I've always had a great deal of respect for Senator Mccain, and I believe he would have the potential to be a good president, his position on the war, his steadfast support of Bush, and his recent statement that he sees us "Being in Iraq for 100 years" might well cause voters to shy away from him. It's too early to tell yet, because he may not even be the Republican candidate, but, this is just how I see it.

I will be surprised if Obama is the Democratic candidate. He would be a good choice if the Democrats want change. Either way, it is a history making event. Whatever happens, this is likely to be the first time that either an African-American, or a woman, is their party's candidate for president. That alone shows that this country has come a very long way.

Mitch

[TomOfSweden]

First the American people have to get over their Puritanical view of sex in general. It seems rather ridiculous to me that a TV program about, say, breast cancer cannot actually SHOW a breast.

It's just an image thing. USA is in the lead by far when it comes to teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I think it's fair to say that Americans are the sluttiest people on earth. In a very positive way. I don't think they're hornier than other cultures, (I think that one is a constant). I think statistics show that they seem to have a lot less inhibitions when it comes to sleeping around. Sure, it's down to how statistics are read. But I don't think USA is any more puritan than anywhere else, for a second. It's obviously just something people say, but don't believe in. So there's plenty of hope.

I also think that can be linked to how much of a taboo it is. Things that are taboo are fun because they are taboo. Swedish culture has few, if any sexual taboos any longer. And we have very low numbers of sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancies and such. So, over here we don't fuck because we aren't allowed to. We fuck for other reasons.

Thread derail?

[J-Go]

I don’t know who is going to win this election, but man would I like to tie Hillary to a post and flog the shit out of her,,,*grin

Bill could watch.

[mkemse]

For "Who I would like to see win", I picked Edwards, but I know he has no chance. As for the nominations, I believe that it will be Hillary for the Democrats, and for the Republicans, I'll go with Mccain.

While Obama pulled off a nice upset victory in Iowa, last night's win by Hillary in New Hampshire shows that there might be a consensus that he isnt experienced enough. I'm a staunch Democrat, and would take either.

I will be very surprised if another Republican wins the White House, especially if that Republican candidate is Mccain. While I've always had a great deal of respect for Senator Mccain, and I believe he would have the potential to be a good president, his position on the war, his steadfast support of Bush, and his recent statement that he sees us "Being in Iraq for 100 years" might well cause voters to shy away from him. It's too early to tell yet, because he may not even be the Republican candidate, but, this is just how I see it.

I will be surprised if Obama is the Democratic candidate. He would be a good choice if the Democrats want change. Either way, it is a history making event. Whatever happens, this is likely to be the first time that either an African-American, or a woman, is their party's candidate for president. That alone shows that this country has come a very long way.

Mitch


My guess though I am sure to be wrong would be Obama/Edwards, Obama will court the college kids and The North Edwards the Middle Class and South

[mkemse]

It's just an image thing. USA is in the lead by far when it comes to teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I think it's fair to say that Americans are the sluttiest people on earth. In a very positive way. I don't think they're hornier than other cultures, (I think that one is a constant). I think statistics show that they seem to have a lot less inhibitions when it comes to sleeping around. Sure, it's down to how statistics are read. But I don't think USA is any more puritan than anywhere else, for a second. It's obviously just something people say, but don't believe in. So there's plenty of hope.

I also think that can be linked to how much of a taboo it is. Things that are taboo are fun because they are taboo. Swedish culture has few, if any sexual taboos any longer. And we have very low numbers of sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancies and such. So, over here we don't fuck because we aren't allowed to. We fuck for other reasons.

Thread derail?

Just not sure what this has to do with the thread??

[MasterDennis]

One 1 side sex is considered dirty in the american minds and vieuws and on the other side most porn and stuff is still made in usa what a contraditicion luckt i living in more openminded european society :D

[Guest 91108]

I don’t know who is going to win this election, but man would I like to tie Hillary to a post and flog the shit out of her,,,*grin

Bill could watch.

smiles.. I'd only be interested in this if she was chained to that post in the middle of Death Valley , links welded professionally and left there for eternity.

* wonders if anyone doubts my thoughts on hillary now ? *

[TomOfSweden]

smiles.. I'd only be interested in this if she was chained to that post in the middle of Death Valley , links welded professionally and left there for eternity.

* wonders if anyone doubts my thoughts on hillary now ? *

Unanswered love? Please share you pain. We are here for you.

[TomOfSweden]

One 1 side sex is considered dirty in the american minds and vieuws and on the other side most porn and stuff is still made in usa what a contraditicion luckt i living in more openminded european society :D

We're just as bad. We're just closed minded about other stuff. Like what types of cheese to eat or wine to drink.

[tessa]

Unanswered love? Please share you pain. We are here for you.
Too funny, Tommy.


We're just as bad. We're just closed minded about other stuff. Like what types of cheese to eat or wine to drink.
We do kind of the same thing in America, only here it's about what type beer to have with the hot wings.

At this point of the election process, I'm just hoping it's anyone but Hilary. Anyone. Even the crazy man down the street who thinks that the aliens stole his cat. He at least makes some kind of sense.

[Playfulsub]

First the American people have to get over their Puritanical view of sex in general. It seems rather ridiculous to me that a TV program about, say, breast cancer cannot actually SHOW a breast.


It sure would reduce the number of neurotic people in this country. And breasts would hold far less power than they do now. :icon176:

[Euryleia]

I don’t know who is going to win this election, but man would I like to tie Hillary to a post and flog the shit out of her,,,*grin

Bill could watch.

Now, I've always thought the Hillary would be the one holding the whip!

[Captain]

clinton - There are many reasons I would not vote for Clinton. but a Bush.Clinton.Bush.Clinton president cycle seems to be so be a bad precedent. So I won't contribute to it. She carries on about experience; but She has not done anything that I can see affects me or mine. a no vote.

Obama - The thing with obama is he's not said anything I have not liked. Nothing that makes him stand out.

Edwards - I don't trust edwards \./ And someone who can't be trusted won't get the vote. He said same things in last candidacy and has not shown me anything new. a no vote.

Huckabee is a religious extremeist IMO. reason enough to be a no vote.

Romney is another religious extremeist in his own right. a no vote.
from romney and huckabee one should learn not to bring religion into their candidacy.

Giuliani - I'd vote bugs bunny in before I'd take guiltiani as a president. a no vote.

McCain - screecher didn't win his last bid for presidency .. doubt he'll win again. Tried and failed tactics .. a no vote.

Ron Paul would get my vote if he is on the ballot.

In lieu of that .. I suppose I will most likely vote obama.
clinton and any other candidate and most likely I won't even vote.
a choice between fuck ups is no choice that is how we got bushy2


Wolfscout,

I like your assessment of the candidates. Here is mine IMO. I believe we need someone who can sit across the table from certain world leaders and stand their ground.

Clinton - ideas are too close to so******m. No real experience. Don't trust her.

Obama - ideas are too close to so******m. No real experience. However, I believe he is trustworthy and would stand by his principals.

Edwards - simply don't trust anything he says. made his money in questionable lawsuits.

Huckabee - Like what he says, but his record doesn't really match. He was very liberal in the Baptist movement.

Giuliani - pretty liberal on social issues, but tough on foreign policy. Could be a good compromise.

Romney - Like what he says, but don't know much detail about his record.

Mccain - fairly conservative on social issues, tough on foriegn policy. If I can get over his previous stance on the immigration legislation he tried to introduce, I could probably vote for him.

[mkemse]

Ron Paul would be great but has zero chance of the nomination, Huckabee and Romey are both religious extremists, Giuliani seems ot me to still be depending on what he did after 911, Hilary is to much like Bill, Obama although lacks experience, I believe JFK did also when he ran, but I still contend ANYONE HAS TO BE BETTER THEN WHAT WE HAVE NOW
Plus Bush is so focused on Iraq and Iran he has left everything else go, Nothing on the Economy. Housing, Oil Prices ect all have fallen to the waste side so he can focus on a war that will never be won and most Politicians and those in control in Washington and at the Pentagon have said this is a no win war for us, anyone remember Viet Nam... let's noty make this a 2000 version of Viet Name

[Clevernick]

I'd be very interested to see how Bloomberg enters the race. I think it's a virtual certainty that he'll enter somehow, and he'll do it in a high-tech, innovative way.

And he'll run based on issues, using the internet to figure out what's actually important, and using platform thinkers like Unity08 http://www.unity08.com/

This would be a fascinating experiment in grassroots politics if it works...

[mkemse]

I'd be very interested to see how Bloomberg enters the race. I think it's a virtual certainty that he'll enter somehow, and he'll do it in a high-tech, innovative way.

And he'll run based on issues, using the internet to figure out what's actually important, and using platform thinkers like Unity08 http://www.unity08.com/

This would be a fascinating experiment in grassroots politics if it works...


He will but despite all the money he has, I do not see him winning, Fred Thompson entered way to late a friend of mine is a die hard Thompson fan and he told me last nigh,t Thompson entered way to late but who knows

[gagged_Louise]

Talking republican candidates, I'd absolutely prefer Michael Bloomberg to his predecessor Giuliani (who has kept a very low primaries campaign profile and is no doubt planning to make a big break on Super Tuesday). If he were elected, Giuliani would just continue the highly polarizing stance of Bush when it comes to foreign policy, immigration issues, social policies etc, the whole "take it or leave it" attitude to the non-U.S. world.

[DungeonMaster6]

Like her or not, Hilary is a formidable candidate. She's not backing down; she seems to be very determined. A Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton White House is a real possibility, and you know Bill is going to play a big role, campaining as well as governing.

Personally, I prefer Obama. He's intelligent, charismatic and knows how to compromise( something the present White House occupant doesn't know the meaning of). He reminds me so much of JFK.

Although I like Edwards, I don't see him as President; Attorney General maybe.

Now the Republican: I wouldn't underestimate McCain. Although he supported Bush in the Iraq war, he doesn't seem to be as uncompromising as W. I don't believe he'd veto the Stem Cell Research Bill. Plus, he has a lot of supporters among Independents. That's why he won the NH primary.

As for Romney, he has the big bucks, but that doesn't always translate into votes. What I do think is impressive is that he is a Republican Governor in a predominantly Democratic state( Mass.). Obviously he attracted a lot of crossover votes, which could be an asset in the general election, but it won't mean squat in the primary.

Personally I don't believe an ordained minister, which Huckabee is, should be running for a political office. In my mind mixing politics with religion is a recipe for disaster. There are many examples of that in the world.

Giulianni, although I think he did a superior job as Mayor of New York even before 911, comes across as a surly type, which doesn't bode well dealing with foreign leaders.

Fred Thompson should go back on Law and Order.

Bloomberg could step right in here, especially if the GOP leaders falter.

[mkemse]

Like her or not, Hilary is a formidable candidate. She's not backing down; she seems to be very determined. A Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton White House is a real possibility, and you know Bill is going to play a big role, campaining as well as governing.

Personally, I prefer Obama. He's intelligent, charismatic and knows how to compromise( something the present White House occupant doesn't know the meaning of). He reminds me so much of JFK.

Although I like Edwards, I don't see him as President; Attorney General maybe.

Now the Republican: I wouldn't underestimate McCain. Although he supported Bush in the Iraq war, he doesn't seem to be as uncompromising as W. I don't believe he'd veto the Stem Cell Research Bill. Plus, he has a lot of supporters among Independents. That's why he won the NH primary.

As for Romney, he has the big bucks, but that doesn't always translate into votes. What I do think is impressive is that he is a Republican Governor in a predominantly Democratic state( Mass.). Obviously he attracted a lot of crossover votes, which could be an asset in the general election, but it won't mean squat in the primary.

Personally I don't believe an ordained minister, which Huckabee is, should be running for a political office. In my mind mixing politics with religion is a recipe for disaster. There are many examples of that in the world.

Giulianni, although I think he did a superior job as Mayor of New York even before 911, comes across as a surly type, which doesn't bode well dealing with foreign leaders.

Fred Thompson should go back on Law and Order.

Bloomberg could step right in here, especially if the GOP leaders falter.


Interesting, you say that, on the news today they took a poll and found yhat no Repbulican realy has enough support for any walk away nonimation, none of the candiates running in the Republican Party seem to be able to attract any major numbers they said like the Demoxrats seem to, and it was viewed as very possible that the Republican Convention may be the only way to nomiate, that when it come no Republican will have near enough Deligates to elect a nominee, they claim this may not be true With the DEmocratics oending the outcoe of more primary,

As they said, the Democratics like it or not, are far more organized then the Republican Candidates are

[rce]

Interesting, you say that, on the news today they took a poll and found yhat no Repbulican realy has enough support for any walk away nonimation, none of the candiates running in the Republican Party seem to be able to attract any major numbers they said like the Demoxrats seem to, and it was viewed as very possible that the Republican Convention may be the only way to nomiate, that when it come no Republican will have near enough Deligates to elect a nominee, they claim this may not be true With the DEmocratics oending the outcoe of more primary,

As they said, the Democratics like it or not, are far more organized then the Republican Candidates are

Well, the reason may be that there are many more good candidates on the Republican side...

[mkemse]

Well, the reason may be that there are many more good candidates on the Republican side...

Interrsting, I haven't see ANY GODD Candidates on the Reblican Side, all i have see are 2 Religious Fantatics and a Sen. who may not make it to the convention, I would love ot see Ron Paul win it
Fred Thomas has no chance at the nomination

[Sir_Russell]

Look one of our best presidents in modern memory was Bill Clinton, look at the impact he had on our budget, race relations, and that he did work to repair a welfare system that was very out of wack.

Hilary has put her mark on children concerns and thank god health insurance for all. Believe me that took mmmm huge balls to challenge the insurance and health care industries but she did. She took a big hit for that but again that was about 19 years ago so many today fail to remember it.

McCain also has had a very great past record that the bushies attacked like they did Kerry smearing with lies 2 american heros for a draft dodging moron.

[Ozme52]

It's just an image thing. USA is in the lead by far when it comes to teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I think it's fair to say that Americans are the sluttiest people on earth. In a very positive way. I don't think they're hornier than other cultures, (I think that one is a constant). I think statistics show that they seem to have a lot less inhibitions when it comes to sleeping around. Sure, it's down to how statistics are read. But I don't think USA is any more puritan than anywhere else, for a second. It's obviously just something people say, but don't believe in. So there's plenty of hope.

I also think that can be linked to how much of a taboo it is. Things that are taboo are fun because they are taboo. Swedish culture has few, if any sexual taboos any longer. And we have very low numbers of sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancies and such. So, over here we don't fuck because we aren't allowed to. We fuck for other reasons.

Thread derail?

I disagree (thread derail or not. ;) ) I think that the reason the USA leads in teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases is because of the puritan attitudes that deny us the ability to teach the truth about sex and sexuality.

When you lie, whether overtly or by omission, to a kid on one front, they'll never believe you on another.

[Ozme52]

It sure would reduce the number of neurotic people in this country. And breasts would hold far less power than they do now. :icon176:

As the female hypnotist was wont to say...

"Look into my eyes.... MY EYES DAMMIT!!"

[Sir_Russell]

Oz we agree again. The idea that sex is dirty and should not be discussed is a big thing here in the states. Instead of telling the kids the truth and all the truth we give them saying like just say NO, it didn't work for drugs why would it work for sex.

We need to stop worrying about other peoples private lives and worry about how we treat each other with respect and honor till the person shows he or she has little of either.

[mkemse]

Thank You To Everyone Who Voted In This Poll

[rora]

Obama better watch his back where Hil-Billy is concerned. Me...I am looking for the 'none of the above' box. I don't like any of them.

[mkemse]

Obama better watch his back where Hil-Billy is concerned. Me...I am looking for the 'none of the above' box. I don't like any of them.


Who would you want??
Ron Paul??

[Thorne]

Who would you want??
Ron Paul??

I'm with rora: I don't like any of them either. Don't know who I would prefer, but certainly none of the options available.

[rora]

Who would you want??
Ron Paul??

I really don't like any of them. For the first time in my life..I may be an undervote.

[wmrs2]

Than God that Bush and Chaney have been in the oval office for the last 7 1/2 years. The way Chaney hunts, Al Quiada volunteers to stay in Iraq. At least were still alive and we have not had a major attack from Al Quiada. If it is a forgone conclusion that Obama will be the next President, let's rejoice because Obama pointed out that he and Bush use the same tactics in flushing out Al Quiada in Pakistan. He pointed this out to Hillary as proof that he was mature in foreign policy leadership. Well!