When is the Pain alone.........Enough???

[thrall]

When is the pain alone…….enough?



Sometimes questions are put to me that need more then the standard “Dear Thrall” answer. I think that this is one of those questions, that a verity of answers, form different perspective and points of view, would be helpful.

I think the answer can be given form both the Dom/Domme and submissive points of view.

The question asked of me was where in the process can you cum form the pain alone? Is this possible and how do you get there???


OK……my answer now…………..

The pain ladder is different for everyone……how we feel good pain and…..bad pain….is all part of the process. Everyone is different and has higher or lower tolerances of pain…….where the personal edge is.

Can you cum form the pain alone without anything else?…….Yes. Can you be spanked, cropped or flogged…or for that matter anything else… to the point where…...the pain becomes pleasure?……..Yes. A good deal depends on how masochistic you are.

This is not something that just happens overnight. Your body and mind adjust……and transmutes what is being fired in the brain; the lines blur……pain/pleasure. You must learn your body, where your edges are…….where the mind shifts to feel the endorphins being pumped into your body to deal with the pain.

Communication with the Dominant is very important….Ask…..Ask…Ask. All questions are valid. Tell them that is where you want to be taken…….that is what you want and need……



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[Sir_Russell]

Thrall,
I may not be the best Dom for this question, since I am not much of a sadist. That is not to say that I don't use pain in my style. I start most new subs out with a pleasure spanking, I personally believe that few people can cum from just pain and that those that can had a Dom that understood that the body has sensors that can be confused.

Some sensors sense heat/cold and can be fooled by which it is if you have never stuck a hand into something very cold it feels like it is burning.

Some sensors sense pain/pleasure these too can be fooled start with pleasure the body sensors expect more of it so while I have started out the pleasure spanking with very lightly, then I begin to play with her clit as I slowly build up the strength of the spank I am paying very close attention to be sure that she is feeling the pleasure more then the pain. After a short time the spanks grow to be harder but the body feels only pleasure. After a few climaxes the spanks can be very hard and she feels the pleasure is on steriods because she feels only the pleasure and much more intense because the sensors have been fooled.

I use nipple clamps and pegs do the same thing with them get the nipples excited then apply as long as I keep her high which means don't take here beyond the level that suddenly the pain/pleasure sensors so damn that hurt she just gets higher.

I do ask my subs to every once in a while take a no pleasure cropping or a hard paddling to show me how much she cares for me by what she will suffer just for me and I have found some subs get very excited by answering questions about who they serve, who owns them, etc as I crop them. This I think go to the fact that I have shown them pleasure/pain mix is so awesome that playing with their mind helps her feel pleasure where there is none.

Hope that helps.

[Tufty]

I don't think that I have ever had an orgasm through pain alone. It's always been a combination of events; visual, psychological and physical all combined.

I have had a wonderful orgasm through having my cock whipped, but it was the visual aspect of a Domme wearing some very exciting fetish gear, the psychological aspect of Her telling me in great detail just how she was going to torment and torture my cock and balls and how much it was going to hurt...and, of course, the physical stimulation of being teased to the edge so many times before She whipped the head of my cock until I climaxed. I think that the pleasure outweighed the pain by that point becuase I was so turned on by other events.

No, I don't think for one minute that I would have had an orgasm just through the pain itself. I know that we're all different and some people do climax through pain - but not me.

[Warbaby1943]

I know Ag is not into pain but I'd be willing to bet that she could cum while being spanked without any problem at all.

[Whippett]

Thrall,
I may not be the best Dom for this question, since I am not much of a sadist. That is not to say that I don't use pain in my style. I start most new subs out with a pleasure spanking, I personally believe that few people can cum from just pain and that those that can had a Dom that understood that the body has sensors that can be confused.

Some sensors sense heat/cold and can be fooled by which it is if you have never stuck a hand into something very cold it feels like it is burning.

Some sensors sense pain/pleasure these too can be fooled start with pleasure the body sensors expect more of it so while I have started out the pleasure spanking with very lightly, then I begin to play with her clit as I slowly build up the strength of the spank I am paying very close attention to be sure that she is feeling the pleasure more then the pain. After a short time the spanks grow to be harder but the body feels only pleasure. After a few climaxes the spanks can be very hard and she feels the pleasure is on steriods because she feels only the pleasure and much more intense because the sensors have been fooled.

I use nipple clamps and pegs do the same thing with them get the nipples excited then apply as long as I keep her high which means don't take here beyond the level that suddenly the pain/pleasure sensors so damn that hurt she just gets higher.

I do ask my subs to every once in a while take a no pleasure cropping or a hard paddling to show me how much she cares for me by what she will suffer just for me and I have found some subs get very excited by answering questions about who they serve, who owns them, etc as I crop them. This I think go to the fact that I have shown them pleasure/pain mix is so awesome that playing with their mind helps her feel pleasure where there is none.

Hope that helps.

Indeed Russell! The whole key is taking the head to a place where pain and pleasure become one.

In answer to the original question "Is it possible to cum from the pain alone?" The answer is a most enthusiastic "Yes and no".

Yes - because it is very possible to associate specific forms of pain with pleasure in the submissive's mind. As long as the pain is administered in a manner and at a level that doesn't cross over into "this is no longer fun" territory, it is indeed possible to take a sub to orgasm just with the careful application of pain.

No - because if that association between pleasure and pain isn't made (Russell's method is a classic) then the pain is just --- pain. Yes, endorphines will be released - but the sensation will not induce a pleasure response. The Dom's role is to take the submissive to the place where the pain becomes pleasure --- and constant reinforcement of the pain/pleasure stimulus makes the association of pleasure and pain an automatic response in the sub.

There are caveats of course - going past the point where the pain induces a pleasure stimulus is possible - that point is the edge people talk about. Sometimes it is useful to go beyond that edge but care must be taken or pain will become the operative sensation over time - a form of reverse conditioning, I suppose. The pain/pleasure divide is very much a mental thing <grin>.

[Sir_Russell]

WB I am sure she will enjoy it. I don't think I have ever given just one pleasure spanking. Kind of like what they say about crack cocaine just one time and you are hooked. I don't think that you need any coaching about how its done, so just let me tip my hat to a real great Dom.

[_ID_]

I have a sub that will come from pain alone. I can grab her nipples pinching them with my nails and she will come. In less than a minutes application.

[senod]

They are great reeplies, very considered and thought provoking.

i am thinking that in all the replies above it is the relationship with the Dom/Domme which is really the driver of being able to cum due to the pain, as the pain becomes secondary to the will of the Master/Mistress. i need to talk to my Mistress about improving our relationship :)!!

[Slutsie]

I would love to learn how to come from just pain alone...

[bip0lar]

well, from personal experience, i cannot come from pain alone, BUT, if i'm close to the peak, and, well, it's hard to explain, but my whole body is getting there, and every part of my body is sore, then the slightest pain (particularly to my breasts, for example) will just send me to another realm.

[icey]

Indeed Russell! The whole key is taking the head to a place where pain and pleasure become one.

In answer to the original question "Is it possible to cum from the pain alone?" The answer is a most enthusiastic "Yes and no".

Yes - because it is very possible to associate specific forms of pain with pleasure in the submissive's mind. As long as the pain is administered in a manner and at a level that doesn't cross over into "this is no longer fun" territory, it is indeed possible to take a sub to orgasm just with the careful application of pain.

No - because if that association between pleasure and pain isn't made (Russell's method is a classic) then the pain is just --- pain. Yes, endorphines will be released - but the sensation will not induce a pleasure response. The Dom's role is to take the submissive to the place where the pain becomes pleasure --- and constant reinforcement of the pain/pleasure stimulus makes the association of pleasure and pain an automatic response in the sub.

There are caveats of course - going past the point where the pain induces a pleasure stimulus is possible - that point is the edge people talk about. Sometimes it is useful to go beyond that edge but care must be taken or pain will become the operative sensation over time - a form of reverse conditioning, I suppose. The pain/pleasure divide is very much a mental thing <grin>.

it is a mental thing i agree which is why im surprised that Sir_Russel says that few subs can cum by pain alone, if ive been anticipating or even just fantisizing about it then as soon as the pain starts i often cum ...its common knowledge that the only way some women cum is by 'making' themselves whilst having sex and that is a mental excersise.

i disagree that when good pain turns into bad pain it isnt pleasurable for some, again its probably mental for if that happens whilst the pain is a bad none pleasurable pain that in itsself can be very pleasureable!
for me personally often that makes me cum even more, even quicker and conversely the pain i like least is the pain i like best and surely im not the only one??

an afterthought...as Whippet (if ive understood you correctly) ive often wondered whether pain can
become an almost neccasary ingredient for those who enjoy it,and if its pretty addictive for some, it seems to be for me,ever since i was extremely young and began experimenting i learnt the only way i could fully enjoy it was when it 'hurt' and obviously over time its taken more and more hurt to get that enjoyment ...not sure if there comes a time when that stops?
or maybe thats the answer to thralls original question?

(maybe theres a thread somewhere on that subject? it would be interesting to know peoples opinions)