forced scat and pee feeding

[lordhelm11]

one of my fantasies is that a girl should be fed with nothing else than scat, pee and maybe also with puke for a week or so. additionally she should be fed with her own pee and scat.
after that the girl should feed me with everything she has: scat, pee and puke and if possible her mestruation blood.

Is there any couple in Germany who would like to try this?

I'm really looking forward to trying this!

[fetish101]

hmm...you do know all the nasty things that could and probably would poison you in human feces and urine don't you? If not..perhaps a little more research into the subject is in order.

[nudude]

After reading the posts about the ingestion of feces here on the board, I thought it might be helpful to post something I read a while ago on another board (http://www.femmedomme.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000031#000011)

This was written by a person describing himself as a "physician" - and he certainly sounds like he knows what he's talking about:

I have been contacted for information and advice on the issue of safety in the oral acceptance of feces on several occasions, because whenever someone on the Max Fisch board states that the activity is safe I post information to the contrary in order to dispel such a myth. In the pre-HIV (and pre- "safe sex") era, there was something known as "gay bowel syndrome", a rather pejorative term, but one that was due in some cases to this activity.
Essentially, the issues are as follows. Feces contains approximately 10 to the 12th power (1,000,000,000,000) bacteria per gram and may contain viruses and parasites as well. In some cases, these organisms may be pathogens (microorganisms that are capable of causing disease). The absence of symptoms of illness in a person does not in any way exclude the possibility that a pathogen is present. Even analingus (rimming), a relatively common activity among heterosexuals (though one that is rarely discussed at business lunches), is associated with some risk of infection. Recall that the major public health achievement of the past hundred years is maintaining an uncontaminated public water supply-in other words preventing humans from ingesting the feces of other humans. This is also why they post those lovely signs in rest rooms in restaurants telling employees to wash their hands after using the toilet.

Specific organisms that may be transmitted via the fecal-oral route include:

Bacteria:
In general, stomach acid is somewhat protective against bacterial infection, so people who take antacids or medications that decrease production of stomach acid might be expected to have an increased probability of acquiring these infections.

Salmonella species can cause a self-limited gastroenteritis but can also cause serious infections, including life-threatening bloodstream infections. The number of organisms that must be ingested to produce clinical illness is relatively high. In some cases people can have no symptoms (be carriers) and excrete these organisms in the feces. The etiologic agent of typhoid fever is a member of the Salmonella genus and causes severe illness. The carrier state for typhoid fever is well known, as in "Typhoid Mary", a woman who excreted this organism in her feces for years.

Shigella species are the bacterial cause of dysentery, which is associated with severe clinical illness characterized by bloody diarrhea and abdominal pain. Very few organisms need to be ingested in order to cause illness, on the order of only 10 to 50 bacteria, so any oral acceptance of feces would have to be considered likely to cause this infection if the feces contains Shigella species.

E. coli O157:H7 is associated with severe clinical illness characterized by bloody diarrhea and abdominal pain and is also associated with kidney failure and a significant mortality rate. As with Shigella species, very few organisms need to be ingested in order to cause illness, on the order of only 1 to 10 to 50, so any oral acceptance of feces would have to be considered likely to cause this infection if the feces contain pathogenic E. coli.

Campylobacter species and Yersinia enterocolitica are other bacterial causes of gastroenteritis that are transmitted via the fecal-oral route and might be expected to be potential causes of illness in people who ingest feces.

Viral infections that might be expected to be transmitted via this route include many of the enteroviruses (some of which cause gastroenteritis, others cause clinical illnesses that are neurologic in presentation), hepatitis A virus (see the thread on "Prevention of Viral Hepatitis" from April by setting the properties to "Show all topics"), other hepatitis viruses, and (in the worst case scenario if there is blood in the feces) HIV virus (the cause of AIDS).

Parasitic infections that are transmitted via the fecal-oral route are too numerous to name. These tend to be more common in developing countries than in the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe. As a result, it would seem to me to be foolhardy to engage in activities that involve oral-anal or fecal-oral contact with someone from Latin America or a developing country due to a very high prevalence of parasitic disease. Some of the more common ones that can be transmitted by someone who does not appear to be ill include:

Amebic dysentery, which is caused by Entamoeba histolytica. This can present as bloody diarrhea but can also result in invasion of the liver (amebic liver abscesses) and other complications;

Giardiasis, which is caused by Giardia lamblia, typically manifests as a chronic diarrheal disease;

Cysticercosis, due to the ingestion of the eggs of the pork tapworm, Taenia solium, can result in parasitic invasion of virtually any organ in the body. In Mexico, this is the leading cause of seizures in adults due to the invasion of the brain by the parasite;

Intestinal roundworm infection, due to Ascaris lumbricoides, is estimated to infect approximately one billion people worldwide. Numerous eggs are excreted in the feces by carriers which, upon ingestion, transmit the infection which may cause abdominal pain, intestinal obstruction, or invasion of the bile ducts;

Whipworm (hard not to include this one given the nature of Thor's board) is so called because it looks like a single-tailed whip (to see this single-tail whip appearance, go to an image at http://www.parasitology.org/Images/Imgbank/498.jpeg). It is caused by a parasite, Trichuris trichiura that is about as common worldwide as is roundworm. In heavy infections, there may be abdominal pain, diarrhea, and rectal prolapse.

Many, many other parasitic infections are transmitted via the fecal-oral route.

So, in summary, this is not a "safe" activity. Nevertheless, people certainly engage in other unsafe activities. Each person who considers engaging in such an activity should be well informed on the risks, so that a well thought out decision can be made.


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This posting is intended for informational and educational purposes and is not meant to substitute for the advice provided by a medical professional. Always consult a physician if you have specific, personal health concerns


This is probably a pretty good resumee of the health issues involved - I have read other sources that back this up. So is it SSC? I dunno...
After hearing from a couple of people who practice brown play regularly with no significant ill effects, I'd say that if all play partners are completely healthy, the risks are not all that great. A lady who I know ingests regularly from differing partners told me in her opinion, the body gets used to it. The poster above also mentions that one of our great advancements is hygine. If we (westerners) go to a 3rd world country and drink a sip of water, we end up sick for weeks. Meanwhile the natives drink gallons a day and are fine. Maybe only people from 3rd world countries should try this at home. :p

[nudude]

urine really is relatively safe. I am not going to go through the trouble of finding a concise source to back this up as there are more than enough if anyone is truly interested.

[myri_SN]

one of my fantasies is that a girl should be fed with nothing else than scat, pee and maybe also with puke for a week or so. additionally she should be fed with her own pee and scat.
after that the girl should feed me with everything she has: scat, pee and puke and if possible her mestruation blood.

Is there any couple in Germany who would like to try this?

I'm really looking forward to trying this!
think i feel sick :eek:

[Pickety Witch]

Me too! Rather yucky.

[Mobius]

While I endorse all manner of kinks and find fault with no one for liking one kink over another.

There are lines that I feel should not be crossed over and scat is one of the biggys.

Dont find it erotic in the least. Frankly while we are at it I do not find the whole cumming in the girls face hot either. I heard that the new hot thing per Playboy radio is to cum in the girls Eye. EEEEEEWWWW!

The other thing that they were talking about was to have a threesum one guy and 2 girls. The Guy does one of the girls up the back side. Gives her a big douce of you know what. Then she sqeezes it out into a shot glass and the 3rd drinks it. Yuk!

The to girls on Playboy radio, Julie and Tiffeny where totaly grossed out. And were not endorsing it in any way. But the toppic came up about what is hot in porn now adays.

[zig]

ummm, bad plan. If you want to engage safely in this fantasy, there are (clean) concoctions you can whip up that have the texure and smell of shit, more or less. I certainly wouldnt want to be involved, but neither would I want someone getting sick because of a kink they did not research fully before trying.

As far as urine is concerned, fresh urine contains ammonia, and is therefore pretty sterile at least at first, but not good to drink in large quantities (ammonia, yeh). Make sure the person urinating does not have any urinary tract infections/yeast infections, etc.

I don't know where to find this info online, but the reason I know it is because Dan Savage wrote about it in his column Savage Love a while back. Maybe you can find that column.

Anyway, defenitely not for me, but if you want to try this you need to be safe.

[MrJerseyGuy]

Threads like this make me feel like less of a pervert! Scat, puke and menstrual fluid!!! Definately not my bag!

[fetish101]

didn't soldiers in (I think) WW2 used to piss into rags and use it as a mask to counter some sort of gas (mustard maybe?). If I'm correct...I'll make a leap and say that anything that can counter mustard (or something similar) gas is probably not good to consume in any reasonable quantity? Kind of like caustic and acidic substances. Everybody knows that acid is bad for the skin...but not many people think about extremely caustic substances like lye (spelling?) for soap.

[redEva]

…and while we all can most likely agree that there definitely are practices that are more appealing to most of us, and some of them with less potential of infection, cross infection and in general potential for causing harm; I still find it interesting (in the absence of better word) that a community like ours, that is based on mutual respect and acceptance of the wide collage of kinks, will jump immediately at mention of scat.

This is not the first time that topic has come up on this forums, like here:
Full toilet (http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php?t=408) or here
eating (http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728)

and in all of them we usually get pretty good educational links, explanations and reasoning why it would be unadvisable to practice this particular activity.

But, looking at the original post, this was not question for help in finding medical info on the activity, it was more of a personal. While it was posted in the fantasy forum, lordhelm11 seems to have pretty good idea what his interest is – and what he is trying to achieve – online or in real life, I do not see why do so many people feel called upon to comment and point out how grossed they are with the suggestion?!

Lordhelm11, good luck in your search, for the rest of the forum members, I would appreciate that you resurrect one of the old threads on the subject or start your own if you wish to elaborate on this further.

respectfuly

[zig]

I agree, redEva, that its rather disrespectful to go, "ewww" at someone's kink. However, those of us who posted just safety information were fulfilling our responsibility as community members and as people, to keep people safe. If the original poster were to find someone to carry out these activities with, he might be putting himself or them in danger. Since all BDSM needs to be safe, sane, and consensual, it is important that he (and others with similar interests) be well informed of the risks and alternatives.

[nudude]

this is something that surprises me too. Judging by the stories, there are some pretty extreme people - at least fantasywise - hanging around here. Judging by some of the posts here, you'd think that bdsm is a pair of handcuffs, missionary position, and a nice long hot shower afterwards to make sure everything is squeaky clean.

I find many of the stories pretty gross. I am not at all into violence, n/c, permanent damage, extreme pain, etc., etc. But I thought that was the whole reason for a place such as this here library; to satisfy the needs of those for whom the playboy channel does next to nothing. So I don't read those stories, or I skip over parts I don't like and leave those into that alone. To each his/her own.

I am very much into oral sex (forced, of course:)) - and, like Napoleon, I don't want my woman to smell or taste like a bar of soap. The above is the next logical (long) step.
There is a difference between fantasy and reality, though. Would I take the step in RT? Prob not. That doesn't stop fantasy, though. And to those who do take the step, hats off.

And to those who tolerate without judging, hats off too.

[SirW]

this is something that surprises me too. Judging by the stories, there are some pretty extreme people - at least fantasy-wise - hanging around here. I find many of the stories pretty gross. But I thought that was the whole reason for a place such as this here library; to satisfy the needs of those for whom the playboy channel does next to nothing. To each his/her own.There is a difference between fantasy and reality, though. Would I take the step in RT? Prob not. That doesn't stop fantasy, though. And to those who do take the step, hats off.And to those who tolerate without judging, hats off too.

I think that comments on activities that are purely fantasy are not very beneficial. BUT, if one is going to take this from fantasy to reality, THEN, some common sense advice really does help.
Like nudude, I personally am not into many of the things that others might be (scat, blood, breath-play, etc..) but I do believe that if individuals are going to try and practice these things in real life with a real life partner, they need to know all the risks involved with these activities.
This on-line forum is a great place for all to read and discuss ALL types of activities. Mainly for two reasons. One- there is a wide variety of persons posting here, from all over the world plus all levels of experience and interests. Two- some RL groups don't always assist persons with getting information on kinks they personally might not be in to. I found this true with a group I had participated in for a few years. I suggested at a meeting once that we have an informational meeting about the safety issues on doing urine and scat play. Right away, the "Ewwwwws" came out and "we don't do that here". I said, I understand that, but what about someone wanting to try that. Isn't it better to have someone educated in this BEFORE they try it then tell them after-wards they made a bunch of mistakes. But it was kind of a lost battle. I learned that human nature traits (i.e we tend to hang with those who agree with us) is strong in the lifestyle too.
So I think that any and all comments on any BDSM practice is worthwhile, as long as it is respectful to the person asking it.

Thanks for your patience with me in this long response. :o

SirW

[myri_SN]

well i always thought that forums are an open discussion so how come onlye the ones who agree with the topic are allowed to post their opinion. so if i can't say that the idea makes me sick it stops being an open discussion somehow.... :(

[nudude]

for you to post ;) But simply posting "I'm gonna puke" is, shall we say, not very constructive. Besides, if your gonna do that, then puke on lordhelm. He'd like it!

[myri_SN]

didn't say i was gonna puke i said it makes me feel sick, and lord helm lives too far away and i don't like puking, makes me feel ill somehow when i have to do that. i wonder why :rolleyes:

anyways bedtime now, night

[fetish101]

well i always thought that forums are an open discussion so how come onlye the ones who agree with the topic are allowed to post their opinion. so if i can't say that the idea makes me sick it stops being an open discussion somehow.... :(


There isn't a rule saying you can't. I agree with you, you should and can say that. You just can't insult another member by doing so (I don't think that just saying I think eating human feces is gross is an insult to anyone into that sort of thing).

[Kelli]

Some people like what some people like. And Urine actually isn't real bad for you, and can actually help cure larengitis (sp?), or a lost voice. Yes there are some "germs" but nothing that could really get you sick. It's mostly vitamens and minerals that we have too much of in our bodies, so it has some good parts to it... Not saying I would drink it, but if that's what you're into, best of luck!

[leo9]

Sounds like time to revive the super-acronym that used to resolve such conflicts on APB: YKIOKIJNMK.

Your Kink Is OK, It's Just Not My Kink.

[maud2004]

Have you ever read the story: A Girl brown gagged?