Removal of clit hood

[jaeangel]

This is the first thread i'm starting here... please don't throw rotten vegetables...
I've read/heard of female subs having the hood over the clit removed in order to expose the clit completely. My clit is rather small, and the hood is very fleshy and rather thick. The hood removal thing is one i would consider in order to expose my clit completely (right now i put a small clip at the base of my clit until the flesh swells, and then when i put my underclothing on, the fabric rubs against the blood-engorged flesh, producing exquisite sensations while walking, especially with tight jeans on. What i want...what i'd like to do...is to expose the entire clitoris without the clamping necessary. Would a regular gynecologist do that, or a piercing studio, or has anyone ever had that done? Can you tell me what it feels like, and if it's worth it? Is hood removal just a fantasy, or can it be done?
(The only thing i've ever heard of in real life that would be similar is FGM--female genital mutilation. It's done (less frequently now, thank goodness) in middle eastern and some African countries, where a young girl (seven or eight years old is the norm, i think) where her entire external genitalia is removed and the resulting wound is sewn up, leaving only a small hole for urination. As she hits puberty, her mother will cut a few of the stitches to allow her to menstruate, but the rest of the stitches aren't cut until the wedding night, when the groom will take a ceremonial knife and cut the rest before consummating the marriage. The purpose of all this is to preserve the girl's virginity for her husband. The practice is now falling mostly out of favor, though it is still done.)
I don't want it all cut off...my god, that's...*shudders*. I just want to know if hood removal is done/can be done for something like this. Any comments/information you may have will be gratefully accepted, with my thanks.

[onlyforhim4ever]

Nothing informative to add. Just WOW I could never do that. My Dom wants me to have my hood pierced and even THAT makes me shudder. Do you have a Dom that wishes you to do this? I would be concerned that without a hood the stimulation would be too much or that it would be undesirable in some instances? Hmmm an interesting topic nonetheless but way too extreme for my liking heh. :o

[Mobius]

Didn't Jena Jamison have some thing like that done?
Not being a doctor What I am saying would be only speculation.

I would think that over time the clitoris would lose allot of sensitivity much like a Male uncircumcised cock is very sensitive verses a uncircumcised cock.

Now while I am the owner of a circumcised cock. I do not go around comparing them. It is just what I heard.

I would highly recommend seeing a qualified Gyno verses a 2 bit whole in the wall Piercing guy. But that is only my unqualified opine.

a year ago or so there was a thread on the subject i think of female genital mutilation and there was a link that was posted on the subject that was very informitave. I used to have it in my favorites but alas most are gone after my system crashed abut 6 months ago.
I would think if you do a google search you would find what you are looking for.

[Jherik]

Didn't Jena Jamison have some thing like that done?
Not being a doctor What I am saying would be only speculation.



I think your talking about Houston. IIRC, she had her inner labia trimmed down, and auctioned the trimmings.

Not knowing much about the subject all I can say is it seems to be similar to female genital mutilation and there should be a wealth of medical information about such available.

[jaeangel]

onlyforhim4ever:
I am married to a vanilla man, unfortunately. I was not destined to be collared in this lifetime, apparently, except in my fantasies. He's horrified by the idea...but he told me if it's something i want done, i can do it...provided i could ensure it was completely safe and done by a licensed surgeon. And the pain..well, I gave birth to two 7+ pound boys eleven months apart, naturally. Both boys tore my perineum open. After that, pain isn't exactly something I fear.
Mobuis:
I'd definitely see a gynecologist, not someone with a razor and an evil grin.
Mobius and Jherik:
I tried doing a search for it...but all i got were websites for a lot of organizations that were vehemently against the more extreme forms and nothing at all about having it done voluntarily. Most of them were against infibulation (complete removal of all external female genitalia) and there was very, very little about a partial clitoridectomy (just removing the hood.) Which is why i'm here, asking if anybody knows about it. But thank you for the thing about the porn star, (if i do the clitoridectomy i WON'T be auctioning off the piece!!!) maybe i'll go and see if she kept like a journal or anything about the experience, recovery time, etc.

[onlyforhim4ever]

I did a google search on "removal clitoral hood". The first few links it came up with are below. I didn't read through them because my Dom is coming home now and I'm running VERY late, yikes.

Use google and type in the words I did.
Next, try searching for hoodectomy rather than clitoridectomy as it seems the latter brings up female mutilation instead of the medical procedure you want.

Hope I've helped!!! =) Good luck


http://www.geocities.com/hoodectomy/MedicalStudies.htm
http://www.portaljuice.com/clitoral_hood.html
http://www.geocities.com/hoodectomy/hoodectomy.html

[Kallie Thomas]

Honestly, unless you suffer from adhesions which prevent retraction of the hood that have not responded to other treatments or a completely "submerged" clitoris, I would advise you to not have this done. Removal of the clitoral hood is one of the more common forms of "female circumcision" practiced in less civilized parts of the world (with hood removal and Sunna being more common than infibulation and/or exision).

Removal of the clitoral hood is, in effect, the removal of a vital protective body part that plays an important role in sexual arousal. The clitoral hood is designed to move along the clitoral shaft, moving up and down with sexual intercourse. Remove the hood, you lose that stimulation, reducing pleasure during intercourse. In addition, many women who've willingly undergone this procedure initially complain of hyper sensitivity, rendering them non-orgasmic because any direct stimulation is painful. Once the exposed clit "toughens up," orgasm remains more difficult to attain for some women because of the now decreased sensitivity and thickened skin of the clit.

Again, if you cannot retract the hood, or if your clitoris is submerged, then I would advise talking to a gyn with experience in this area (though certainly not one who "specializes" in surgical removal of the clitoral hood--people who "specialize" are often people who try to sell things we don't need). You could ask about "splitting" of the hood, which would make access to the clit easier, while preserving the protective function of the hood.

Good luck in whatever you choose.

Kallie

[AndrewBlack]

Sorry to disappoint girls but a Gynaecologist will IN NO WAY, condone any of these practices, they are unecessary and from a medical point of view represent pure risk with zero medical gain. They will want no part in this procedure and will advise against it.

I have to echo some of the sound advice given to Nikka in her branding post, that while the idea is ( for me anyway ) profoundly erotic and a massive turn on, the reality is considerably more impractical, irreversible ( if you don't like it ), and potentially dangerous ( it's a surgically dirty area down there and wound infections will hurt a lot !). I also agree with Mobius' speculation that over time it will desensitise and toughen your clit.

Maybe you could explore other things to do to yourself, there are a wealth or piercing options and jewellery that rubs against the clit or exposes it.

[Master514]

A Gynaecologist is a surgeon and as a medical speciality which falls under the category of surgeons, there is nothing "regular" about them. I agree with AndrewBlack, however money is money. Some of them will do stupid things as this one for more money. Try and see and don't even think about piercing studios.

[Mobius]

Not to raise the temper of the moderators but if you remember miss DD slit her own clitoral hood with a razer blade and look were that got her :) Some things are meant to be left alone. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[jaeangel]

You've all brought up some very important points, and I thank each one of you. My clit is very small, and is completely buried in the hood; the only way I can get it to 'come out' is by pushing it back in order to experience stimulation.
However, having read the opinions expressed by those who have posted to this thread, I am considering other options; the aforementioned piercing is one, as is suctioning the clit and attempting to enlarge it.
Mobius; no, it ain't broke; So I won't fix it. thank you for reminding me of that axiom;I think I lost that somewhere along the way.
Master514: (Please keep in mind that I'm still slightly irritated by the comments you were making in the 'Signs That BDSM Playtime Is Over' thread in the 'My BDSM Life' category.) A gynecologist is a necessity if you're a woman, something which, as a man, you would not be able to understand. Men only need to see a urologist if something's wrong; females are a bit more delicately balanced than you are, and as such need more maintenance.
AndrewBlack: You were right, I spoke to my OB/GYN about it and he said he wouldn't recommend it. He's seen what I look like down there, having delivered both my kids; he's not worried. Therefore, I shouldn't be, either. He did mention piercing as a possible method for increasing stimulation, and if you have the time, I would be interested in hearing more about the jewelry you were referring to. (and even though I
Kallie Thomas: Thank you for telling me to check with my OB/GYN. I would have hesitated broaching the subject with him, but did so on your advice.He was very open-minded about my sexual proclivities.
onlyforhim4ever: Thank you, yes, the links did help. Thank you!
Thanks to everyone for all the advice!

[onlyforhim4ever]

:) Anytime Jaeangel!! :)

[klinnea]

I'm going to go against the flow of all the other posts here. Its do-able. However, I'd work up to it in baby steps. First, I would consider a genital piercing - either a hood or a triangle piercing. This may offer you some new sensation. If you crave something more extreme, then you can split your hood. The last step after that would be removal. It is possible to track down a surgeon willing to do it, and it is also possible to track down an underground practitioner. One thing I would do is research, research, research - bmezine.com is a good place to start, spend a couple bucks to access their "extreme" website, and you'll have access to all sorts of information and pictures.

All that being said, it may sound much better in theory than practice. I know when my clit is exposed from under the hood, any direct contact is not pleasant - its TOO sensitive. Its permanent, so don't do it on a whim.

[jaeangel]

I'd never do it on a whim, oh, Goddess...My mother asked me when I was ten if i wanted my ears pierced...and i didn't actually have it done until my senior year in high school. I do very few things on a whim, and that's why i was looking for information/opinions here, because i'm not sure the benefits would be worth the risks. I will definitely go and check the site you mentioned, but right now i'm rather leaning toward 'no.' I'll probably just get a piercing..if i do anything at all. My hubby and i have been talking about this, and he likes m the way that I am..so that's probably the way I'll stay.

[redEva]

Look for body modification sites. The procedure in question would be plastic surgery and is easy and safe. Triangular piercing would possibly work since that is the piercing that goes underneath of your clitoris and bead is (if possible) positioned on the top of your clitoris so to provide maximum of stimulation. In your case (based on the description you gave) neither the hood or clitoral piercing would be an option. In order to have clit itself pierced, it should be big enough and mostly naturally out of the hood – othervise the hood will be pushing the piercing and you will end up with migrated piercing and split clit (I don’t think you want this). Hood is almost the same. My understanding is that your clit is completely covered and pretty tightly so. Do the experiment and take a Q-tip. If you can comfortably insert the head of the Q-tip underneath your hood and between the hood and clit – there is a chance. If there is not enough space – again you will end up with migration of the piercing and … split hood! *grin* now that might be an option – but you will end up with two flaps – not really appealing. That is what Mobius was referring to when he mentioned DD – and that is what happened to her (though I think – and might be wrong – it was not entirely due to the same reason – but more like because of extensive use/pulling and possibly to small gage of the ring). She had it migrated to the point where it was hanging on little tin piece of skin. She cut it of – split the skin, but was not happy with the look of it, so she decided to cut the flaps off with finger nail scissors. Lots of blood and considerable amount of pain (if I remember correctly).

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[jaeangel]

Well, from what you said, redEva, a clit piercing would not be a possibility for me. My clit is completely covered and encased in its hood, and regular missionary position sex with my husband produces no sensation in my clit. Very few positions Hubby and I use for sex produce sensation in my clit.
I just tried the Q-tip thing...it didn't fit. I slipped the head of the Q-tip under the hood and moved it toward my clit in the back, and the hood had to stretch in order to let the Q-tip touch. (Some interesting sensations, however; may try that again later.)
I'll probably just leave my genitalia the way it is; Hubby said he likes Mrs. Happy the way she is.
Let me go look at that site now...

[jaeangel]

Another thing I have to save up for! A membership to that page!
But thanks very much for the links to that page, redEva. That split penis was really...interesting!! And the ringed pussy. I liked that one.

[Mobius]

A Split Penis! :eek:

There is another option. What about your G spot. As I understand it the missionary position will not do it. Unless Hubby is hung like a horse. But what I have heard is have hubby using a come hither finger motion just up ward inside the canal there is the spot of very sensitive skin if stimulated in the right way you will have an internal orgasm and they are far stronger than a clitoral orgasm.
Use of hubby is optional there are also G spot vibrators also.
Good Luck

[slavelucy]

if stimulated in the right way you will have an internal orgasm and they are far stronger than a clitoral orgasm.

*nods head in acknowledgment of Mobius' knowledge of the female orgasm*

Heh, yeah...and then there's a combination of a clitoral AND an internal O..mmmmmm! *eyes glaze over slightly*

..ahem, anyway...nice tho internal O's are, one's caused only by stimulation of the clit are still pretty damned good, in there own unique manner. Also, pehaps jaeangel wanted to do evil things to it, as well as um..nicer things! :D

sl

[redEva]

BME Zine will grant you membership for free if you contribute to the site - stories (your musings or experiences) and pictures (explicit pictures of body modification - your own only!)

so... well, I don’t know what you have to offer - but even the previews are good ;)

[jaeangel]

My hubby is, unfortunately quite short (I don't tell him this, it would bruise his ego) and not well endowed in the width category, which is why I get my orgasms from masturbation. He'll finger me sometimes, but not often, and...oh well, I might as well be honest with myself, when we have sex he's usually lying on his back on the bed leafing through his porn mags. I'll suck on him while he looks at the magazine girls, and when puts the mag aside and he's stiff I'll sit on him and get him off. Sex, for us, involves very little foreplay on me, and mostly all on him. Occasionally I'll give him a complete blow (suck and massage until he comes, swallow, the whiole nine yards) and he'll get me off by smacking my ass with his belt. And then we get up and go our way.
We actually don't have a whole lot of times when we can have sex. We live in an efficiency apartment with two toddlers, and getting any kind of intimate time is next to impossible. Most of the time when we do manage to get the kids to sleep at the same time there's no time for anything but a quickie.

[issyrj]

Suddenly we aren't talking about clit hood removal or piercing.
Do you practice or play anally? My wife (sub) has quite a lot more sensation and stimulation of the 'G' spot from anal penetration. She has reached orgasm very few times through vaginal entry alone, but nearly everytime with just anal entry (without vibrator or finger play on the clit or pussy). That's all through stiulation of the 'G' spot. Plus, it will make hubby do a bit of work and foreplay getting you comfy for anal penetration. Try it with a strapon clit vibe like the butterfly or ladybug ones. You can put them right over the clit and he can pound away on your ass or pussy. Even if you have a small or discreet clit, the 'G' spot is always there and ready to go. Another thing that I have done to my sub is to use a clit pump to make her incredibly sensative to stimulation and engorge her clit. Wonderful sensations for her (at least that's what I take the screaming and begging to cum as :) ).

Have fun. You sound like a wonderful sub pain slut. Please don't take that as an offense, but, getting your ass beat to cum...?

[jaeangel]

I do like anal.
I had one bad experience with anal play (I was using a vaginal dildo without a flared base and it disappeared inside, which necessitated an extremely embarassing and costly visit to the hospital to get it out) and have recently tried again, this time with a vibrating inflatable. And yes, i can get some incredible orgasms with anal penetration. And I'm looking at getting a clit pump.

[allalone46]

I do like anal.
I had one bad experience with anal play (I was using a vaginal dildo without a flared base and it disappeared inside, which necessitated an extremely embarassing and costly visit to the hospital to get it out) and have recently tried again, this time with a vibrating inflatable. And yes, i can get some incredible orgasms with anal penetration. And I'm looking at getting a clit pump. I am interested in how, but I am not going to ask how a vibrator went all the way in, but have you ever wondered why anal toys are eather flarred or have strings that have a way that can keep them from going all the way inside. And I think thatthe web master may want to split this tred do to it is changing subjects.

[jaeangel]

I'm not even sure how it got up there. The doctor at the hospital said something about reverse peristalsis, where a stimulated group of muscles will reverse its usual direction. That seems to be what happened there. I gave myself two cold-water 2 quart enemas before commencing playiong with my anal passage and my rubber dildo, and I was working away with it when all of a sudden my rear just sucked it up inside. I guess I wasn't hanging onto it tightly enough. I've only just started experimenting with anal play, and my knowledge in this area is regrettably spotty, and the package on the dildo didn'r say, 'Do not use in anus' or I wouldn't have used it 'back there'. Oh well. One more round to experience.

[Mobius]

It is going to be a sad day in america when a Dildo has to have product use safty stickers. Have you ever seen a ladder. There are lots of stickers about the use and safe handling of it. You not suppose to stand on the top of the ladder. You are supose to stay clear of power lines etc.

Looks acidents happen. That is how we learn from our mistakes . I think jaeangel is going to need a spanking for her carlesness. Id say about 25 should do it.

[spike]

Why am I suddenly reminded of a deodorant stick with instructions that said "Push up bottom" :eek:

Spike

[jaeangel]

Look, accidents happen. That is how we learn from our mistakes. I think jaeangel is going to need a spanking for her carelessness. I'd say about 25 should do it.

With what implement?


*goes down on elbows and knees, pushing bottom up for spanking by Mobius* Thank You, Sir, may I please have my spanking now? :D

[Mobius]

Any thing you like Dear heart.

However this thread has suffered so much thread drift . I am going to steer it back to the original thread the removal of the clit hood. Or the Clitoris it's self by asking a few questions.

<Now first a warning>

This is purely hypothetical and am not indorsing this to be used or have done on any willing or non willing Slave Sub wife mother etc.

Now having said this.

I ask this. In many parts of the world there is a (By our standards ) a barbaric practis of Female Genital mutilation or Female circumcising. Were the Female Clitoris is removed or trimmed to the extent that sexual gratification is basically impossible. I ask this question If there Clitoris is removed does there G-spot remain active and can she still achieve an internal orgasm. If so (in a purely fantasy world) Wouldn't all slaves should have there clitoris removed so they can only achieve release by there masters/mistress.

That would make a pretty obetant Slave seeing that it will usaly take a tool to stimulate the G-spot. And if the Master/Mistriss locked away she would be on best behaver.

Now again this is only fantasy spectulation. No I am not opening up a corner store spectialising in Female mutilation. Dont think I would get much bussness.

[jaeangel]

Okay, this I can answer. While I was looking for my own answers I learned that after a full infibulation a g-spot orgasm is still possible (That's going to come up in later chapters of my current story 'Hell To Heaven' in the Library's update page) In fact, a g-spot orgasm is the only one possible.
A good slave, one who obeys his/her Master/Mistress out of love and devotion and loyalty, will not give him/herself an orgasm if it is against the Master/Mistress's wishes, (at least if I were a full-time sub, I wouldn't.) So the Master/Mistress is already in control of his/her sub's orgasm, via invisible remote control. And if the Master/Mistress truly cares for his/her sub, and feels responsible for the sub's well being, They probably won't risk the sub's health for something so permanent and painful. After all, isn't watching your femsub writhe and gasp and cry as you torture her poor clit worth it? And if she does disobey and give herself an orgasm without your permission, isn't punishing her for her naughtiness fun?;)

[Pandora's Box]

Regarding the clitoris and the g-spot, I thought people might find these articles of interest.

http://www.bmeworld.com/kabalist/Library/Pdp/Medical/clitoris.html

http://home.pacific.net.au/~miriam/clitoris.html

http://www.luckymojo.com/tkclitorislarger.html

[mythicat]

While I was looking for my own answers I learned that after a full infibulation a g-spot orgasm is still possible...In fact, a g-spot orgasm is the only one possible.

Did you come across anything in your studies about whether, after everything external is removed, stimulation might still be possible through the scar tissue? I've heard only very unsubstantiated reference to it, but it makes sense. I mean, even if you remove the part that sticks out, the nerves still reach as far as they can. Right? :confused:

[jaeangel]

Yes, the scar tissue is still sensitive, though in a somewhat painful way. The nerve endings are still exposed under those layers of scar tissues, so pressure on the surface of the tissue does result in some feeling to the nerves underneath. There was no mention of whether it was agonizingly painful or mildly pleasureable.

[Mobius]

Ok here is the 64 thousand dollor question. Can you tickle your own G-spot. Not being an expert on female anatomy. I do not know. I have been told that it takes 2 to tango.

So a Slave with out her love button would be at her/his masters mercy. Yea or Na.

Normal penitration is not enough to reach it. Unless the Master is incredibly endowed. 12+inch's

So I wonder on Planet "Mor" (thats mobys version of Gor)

I think I would have them all removed then have an implant surgicaly planted in the G-spot Tissue to Bring them to there Knees if they have been good or Bad for that matter.

PS
I love Hell to Heaven. Very good story so far Jaeangel

[mythicat]

Yes, you can reach your own G-spot.
*thinks for a moment*
Well, women can anyway. :p

And normal penetration, with a normally sized penis, passes right by it, tho not always up against it like is needed. It's only a few inches up inside there. 12+ inches on the other hand would be very painful for most women.
This is definitely a case of "don't believe the hype".

So I'm afraid that on planet Mor you will still have to restrict the reach of your slaves' hands in some way. How awful, huh?

[erotic_nibbles]

I have a ring in my clit hood with a stationary ball that is continually against the tip of my clit...I love it!.....though at times I have to flip the ring up and use a bandaid to keep it off my clit due to oversensitivity for various reasons

Would something like that be of help to you jaeangel?

~~nibbles~~

[jaeangel]

I never thought about that. It might. The thing is, it would have to fit in some way under my clit hood, since my clit is recessed so far under the hood its hard to get access to it. But it's definitely a thought.

[jaeangel]

PS
I love Hell to Heaven. Very good story so far Jaeangel
Thank you! You're the first person here who's commented on it, that means you get an extra-special prize. Let me think of one. Maybe a picture of me...if i can get my digicam working!
Part 5 just went up today, and I'll probably wrap it up in maybe another four or so chaps. I got an idea yesterday for my next story, it's called 'Twisted Fairy Tales'. I was thinking about some of the fairy tales i read as a child, and my twisted little mind suddenly started picking out the darker elements of the fairy tales. Look for it, going up after 'Hell To Heaven'...if it's your thing, that is!

[spike]

Jaeangel, I'm making this up, and I have no idea whether it would be practical with your anatomy, or anyone else's for that matter. (I don't have any clitorides handy to examine. :) ) I am imagining a short barbell piercing just below the clitoris with something similar to a false eyelash attached to it. This could be worn hairs-down for no distraction, or hairs-up and reaching under the hood for tickling and inescapable stimulation.

The differences between people's anatomies make it very difficult to generalise about what equipment would work or not, but I think that sort of thing has a chance of working.

Spike

[jaeangel]

Oh my Goddess, you're right, that would be a huge turn on, I have a feather that I rub against my clit for stimulus, and it drives me wild. Wow. Oh, maybe I can jury-rig a clip-on on the hood with some kind of stiff stimulus on it...
*rushes off to find sewing kit*

[spike]

Oh my Goddess, you're right, that would be a huge turn on,...
*rushes off to find sewing kit*

Glad to be of service. :D

Spike

[Morphis]

Yes, you can reach your own G-spot.
*thinks for a moment*
Well, women can anyway. :p

Males can as well, it's inside the anus, you can reach the prostate. Very nice feeling.

[jaeangel]

My hubby says it's even nicer when I'm reaching 'The Spot' for him while fondling his balls!

[Adamoverjules]

I'm not going to say whether it's right or wrong to do that, that's up to each individual person....and, thanks to lawyers in this country, no doctor will touch a surgery like that....in this country, that is. Don't ask how I came across it, but I found a website for a doctor that (apparently) may do a surgery like that. www.internationalsurgery.com says they perform surgeries such as boob jobs, face lifts, but also what they call "Intimate feminine corrections," which are things like vaginal tract narrowing and lip trimming. They might be able to help, or at least give you some information about it.