Future time

[g42]

Hi,

I don't know about any of the other people here. I know about me. I have a fantasy of not such an erotic nature. i would one day be able to talk openly about my orientation with regards to power play etc. (It occurs to me now that this sounds like some bad "I have a dream" knockoff; I assure you this was not intentional.) I only understand my feelings becuase of the Internet. I wonder about people who were less adventurous, or who's parents controlled thier online actions more tightly then did mine. I can online imagine how confusing it must be. There is much attention paid (rightly so) to GBLTTQ issues in the media, but BSDM is jsut a bit too far beyond the popular scope...

Any thoughts?

[Phoenix]

Forgive me, I'm not sure what GBLTTQ is?

Like any subject these days there are always the extremes. Something as simple as wearing swimming gear at a beach. You'll get some people who wear the normal styles, some girls who think they can hide behind dental floss and other's who wear more material to go swimming in than they would normally wear if they were at the Artic.

BDSM is simply an extreme branch of human sexuality. I've always believe it's down to personal preference. Some like it, others not so.

Same with religion. If people simply said you believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe, then there'd be a hell of a lot less fighting.

Unfortunately, there are always people who think they're right and are prepared to kill to prove it. Strange world huh?!

So what is your fantasy G42?

[g42]

Sorry, GBLTTQ is: Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian, Transgendered, Two-spirited[1] & Questioning. It's a blanket acronym to cover a lot of non-straight people.

What I mean is, say I met someone and I was jsut introducing myself and happened to say, "Yeah, I like some pretty bizzare sex. What about you?" The vast majority of people would be quite put off by something like that.

I understand what you mean about extremes. I'm an extreme person. Always have been. That's one of the more minor things I like about BDSM. I can have a LOT of power or none at all... I'm not restricted to the sort of balance that must always be present in vanilla relationships. However, the analogy with religion does not hold, because there are laws and a certain amount of social pressures to stop people from discriminating on a large scale against a given religion. Since the general public (as I percieve them) sees kink as either something the indulge in privately but apparently no one else does, so it's never talked about or else as a group of wierdos in leather that are good as punchilines as jokes, there isn't very much informationcoing from the mass media.

That, and of course we're bent on "protecting" our children from the evils of sex and debauchery, so not very much of any sexual intrest gets played up in he media.

My fantasies aren't particularily interesting, Phoenix. Really I'm more interested in a socio-political debate. I think maybve I chose the wrong topic?

1 - Two spirited is a native American idea that (as I understand it) some people are born being both gendered. It's very old and very well-respected idea.

[Phoenix]

Ah, I understand. The lightbulb maybe dim but it does power up on old Phoenix occasionally.

I agree that BDSM is probably the most taboo of all sexual discussions. (Mind you, so is sex or even mentioning the genitals is frowned apon.) Even my closest friends don't know of my interests. My reputation is that of a nice quiet innocent chap, darn ... how little do they know. <Wink!>

I don't know if you chose the wrong topic, I think perhaps it was more of a large topic to choose. There is so many aspects within. Care to narrow down the conversation area a tad?

[GaryWilcox]

I wouldn't tell a family member that BDSM interests me. They think RENT is too scary at the theater...

I don't think God has a sense of humor about the darker side of my fantasies, and sometimes I wonder if I'll have to pay very dearly in the afterlife.

But I'm a talky bastard, and I would no doubt talk in a hushed tone on a bus if I happened to be sitting next to someone who had similar interests.

[g42]

Myself, I'm a foolish little girl and I tell far more people then I should about my sexual preffrences, same as every other part of my life. But I wouldn't if I weren't so intensely extroverted.

I don't feel like narrowing a conversation. I've never been a moderator and I never will be, so if you'd like to start something seperate and more fined elsewhere, I'll join if I have something to say.

[jilli]

There was a time when I first discovered my interest in BDSM, where I dove in head first and wanted everyone to know. But then I realized most people would not react well, and then I felt I was lying to my friends and family about who I was, and I let that feeling drive a wedge between me and everyone around me.

Eventually the novelty wore off and reality found it's way back to my mind. There are things you just don't talk to your mother about when you sit down over coffee. <grin> I love my mom, but I don't want to know about her bedroom escapades, and I think I should perhaps do her the same favor and keep mine to myself.

I think perhaps at first I felt it wouldn't be real unless I could confirm it by telling others about it.

But now I'm pretty content. I'm in a fantastic relationship now where I'm comfortable being myself around him in all of my kinkiness. I can tell him things that I never thought I'd be comfortable talking about. Between him and my writing, I no longer feel the need to tell the world.

But if I just happen to run across someone that shows an interest in talking about it, I'm game, I'm not going to pretend I don't like it. :)

[faith]

i would have no difficulty talking about it as a general discussion topic, but i would have a problem if the stranger on the bus was looking for personal details from me... lol. Ironically, I find that in chat or posting situations i have no problem doing that very thing.

*Grin*

Much like Phoenix, no one in my world would ever believe that i would even read, let alone post to a discussion like this one. I am seen as a "nice lady".... and the fact of the matter is that i am a nice lady... My sexual orientation extreme or not does not change that fact.



and ... RubbrSpatula.....personally i think God has a wonderful sence of humor... it's the other humans i worry about

[Ladyvet]

I won't discuss my (sub) sexual orientation face to face with anyone outside our circle of like-minded friends. It's not something people need to know about and that sort of knowledge can be disastrous in the wrong hands. I'm not ashamed of being a sub. Far from it! I just don't advertise it.

[Faibhar]

One does have to wonder what motivation exists behind the people who constructed this forum to pose such a question. Nonetheless, it does have its provocative elements.

To answer in short, Word Pictures. Many of which are posted to the bdsm library pages.

Before the shout Shameless Self-promotion! is raised, keep in mind that word pictures provide a mainly constructive way to avoid being the next poster person for psycho desk references.

And one source for inspiration in this corner comes from a stauesque blonde bombshell. Anyone who has ever set foot in a gambling casino can appreciate the turned heads and distracted eyes of the pit bosses as this person walked past their tables.

Is that a definition of "Beauty", or what?

Plus, this ravishing looker also was extremely kinky.

So one way of expressing one's Sexual Fantasy can be through words. Are they as satisfying as the real deal? Any comparison is like comparing apples to oranges.

[g42]

One does have to wonder what motivation exists behind the people who constructed this forum to pose such a question. Nonetheless, it does have its provocative elements.

To answer in short, Word Pictures. Many of which are posted to the bdsm library pages.

Before the shout Shameless Self-promotion! is raised, keep in mind that word pictures provide a mainly constructive way to avoid being the next poster person for psycho desk references.

And one source for inspiration in this corner comes from a stauesque blonde bombshell. Anyone who has ever set foot in a gambling casino can appreciate the turned heads and distracted eyes of the pit bosses as this person walked past their tables.

Is that a definition of "Beauty", or what?

Plus, this ravishing looker also was extremely kinky.

So one way of expressing one's Sexual Fantasy can be through words. Are they as satisfying as the real deal? Any comparison is like comparing apples to oranges.

Now, is it just me or does that lack sense? I'm really confused!

[GaryWilcox]

...I was too embarassed to admit I got lost in that post.

Faibhar, is English a second language? It kind of reminds me of the misunderstandings that develop when you translate Japanese literally.

Or maybe it just written under the effects of chemicals?

Either way, I'd love to understand it...

:)

[Faibhar]

Sorry for any confusion. It was certainly not intended, save for the variety of issues broached. And also sorry, Rubbr. My Japanese is not nearly as good as it should be, English being my native tongue, and no "chemicals" other than those we normally have existing in our bodies were used in composing the earlier post.

[GaryWilcox]

Hope that didn't come off as a joke at your expense... If I've offended you, I humbly and sincerely apologize, Faibhar.

Seriously, I got a little lost in what you meant. Can you agree that it does read like prose?

Again, sorry!

[Faibhar]

de nada (is that Japanese?) Rubber Spatula.

No Worries, and if my "prose" seemed a bit too stilted for your taste, then pardon me not picking up quite the best vernacular.

Besides, your canine looks cute. That said however, is no license to jump to any bestiality/sexual fantasy conclusions from this end.

[Xodus]

I didn't understand it either, Gwen :)
I am comfortable talking about BDSM to total strangers as long as they approach the subject first even if they are adverse to it.
I would never approach a stanger on a bus and bring up the subject.
I will bring up the subject if I am around friends or in a BDSM environment such as a club.

PS: My wife and I visited your website. We really enjoyed the art and poetry :)