Difference between a whore and a slave

[Muskan]

I am wondering about the exact difference between a whore and a slave.
There must be some emotional differences between the two regarding their life, duties and daily chores.
I guess a whore lacks a Master, while the slave is the possession of the Master.
Ok, a Master may use His slave as a whore for any purpose, yet she cannot be a whore, she will remain a slave. A slave is emotionally attached with her Master, she serves willfully for her own cause of pleasure and satisfaction, to satiate her drive for the love of her Master, a whore doesn't need any love for the services she provides.

I think a whore is a free woman, a slave is not. I dunno, I would like to read more about it.

[Flaming_Redhead]

:wtf

A whore is a prostitute. Being a prostitute has nothing to do with BDSM.

Being a slave has nothing to do with being a prostitute.

[flying66]

woah woah woah! the title of this thread has me so offended!

Seriously! Like Flaming_Redhead said, a 'whore' is a prostitute... a person who sells sex for money. As I recall from a previous thread, a lot of subs are offended by being called a 'whore' or a 'slut' and me being one of them (we did determine that having 'My' in front of the term makes it profoundly endearing though)

A slave is owned, by one person, isn't getting money for sex and... where did this comparison come from? I'm sure most of us don't find either of the terms one and the same at all!

[Ozme52]

Yep. Can't compare the two because they are distinctly separate, non-overlapping descriptions.

One is a profession, the other a status or condition. A slave is presumably owned (though not all owned subs are slaves,) and if considered a chattel slave, presumably said slave can be sold. But that doesn't qualify as a purveyor of sex for money either.

A slave can be pimped out sexually to bring in money for the household or for the master's benefit, in which case, in addition to being a slave, s/he can be also considered a prostitute. But a slave can also be pimped out for money to humiliate and degrade him or her, presumably to feed a fetish of either slave or master, and though it would smack of prostitution, it still doesn't meet the criteria. It's still just a sexual kink.

There is no requirement that a prostitute be owned in any manner. S/he can be a free agent or can have a handler/pimp/madam/service.

All that aside... I suspect muskan isn't referring to the profession at all when he uses the term "whore".

[ShadePayne]

is this a joke????...if not my vote is with Flaming_Redhead...i agree with her answer ...for being a whore.....and being involved in BDSM.....are a far cry from each other.

[damyanti]

Just because someone identifies as a slave or submissive doesn't mean that they are promiscuous. Or that they are non-discerning about who they serve/submit to.

[Archeon]

They are just entirely different things, if you think they overlap, go back to the drawing board and read some articles. I suggest http://www.seekers.org.uk/

Regards,

Arch

[Dejah Thoris]

I have never associated the term "whore" with prostitute, only as a term used (not by me) to define a woman who is more sexually active than the name-caller belives is proper. Muskan's outline of the differences she is attempting to define make me belive that she did not mean "prostitute".

[Archeon]

I have never associated the term "whore" with prostitute, only as a term used (not by me) to define a woman who is more sexually active than the name-caller belives is proper. Muskan's outline of the differences she is attempting to define make me belive that she did not mean "prostitute".

Definition of a whore (according to google definitions):

work as a prostitute

Arch

[Ozme52]

I have never associated the term "whore" with prostitute, only as a term used (not by me) to define a woman who is more sexually active than the name-caller belives is proper. Muskan's outline of the differences she is attempting to define make me belive that she did not mean "prostitute".


Definition of a whore (according to google definitions):

work as a prostitute

Arch


Right. Not much choice about the definition. I also commented that perhaps muskan was thinking more in a different context, but hasn't returned to say yea or nay.

Unless one says what one means by a term, or tells us the context in which s/he is using the word, all we can do is presume one means (one of) the standard definition(s).

When "whore" is used as an epithet and not to mean prostitute, it usually means you are accusing said person of being willing to sleep with anyone if the price is right (usually not monetary.)

I don't see that in muskan's treatise either. She's trying to relate it to an emotional context. But it's still apples and oranges. Some slaves have no emotional connection to their masters save the desire to serve. And sleep with no one but their masters (if at all) so can hardly be equated to someone who will sleep with anyone at all... so I still don't see how you can talk about one in the same context as the other... without some more context to the statement/question.

[denuseri]

That or the op has seen some dominants use the term when refering to their slave during humiliation play and decided that "whore" is also a bdsm titular reference?

Though based soely on the op's actual post, it seems that a compare and contrast is assumed?

Strictly historically speaking, there were quite a few societies who had slaves who were also prostitutes. Some even kept a portion of their earnings for themselves.

Some clairification would be nice.

[Muskan]

A prostitute may or may not be promiscuous by nature.
Prostitution may be the most efficient way for a woman to earn the required money for 'say' any cause that is much more important than her not being promiscuous.
A whore on the other hand (I think) is obviously promiscuous. So every prostitute may not be a whore, but every whore is a prostitute.

A slave can be a whore, she cannot be a prostitute. Yet every whore is not a slave, and every slave is not a whore. Now there can be some slaves who willingly want to be whore.

Anyways, I wasn't looking for definitions, I was trying to pick out the difference between the emotional base of a whore and a slave.

[Muskan]

woah woah woah! the title of this thread has me so offended!

There's nothing that may offend you or anybody.


Seriously! Like Flaming_Redhead said, a 'whore' is a prostitute... a person who sells sex for money. As I recall from a previous thread, a lot of subs are offended by being called a 'whore' or a 'slut' and me being one of them (we did determine that having 'My' in front of the term makes it profoundly endearing though)

alot of subs enjoys being sluts, and they enjoy being called sluts.

A slave while being whore, may not earn any money for herself, she will earn for her master and what is she if not an object for her Master? Obviously she is a resource her master may be decide to use to make money.

be a proper slave if you are, otherwise be ready for the punishments that may follow.

[Archeon]

Muskan im sorry but you are missing the point entirely and appear to be very misguided, and for the reasons outlined above, are simply incorrect in regards to this.

Being called a whore while trying to humilate a sub/slave does not make her a sub, in the same way that me calling you an apple simply does not make it true.

You say you said nothing to offend anyone, and actually you did, you said that slaves are one of the same as whores. They are entirely different concepts, apples and tanks, and to compare most slaves to a whore is INCREDIBLY insulting.

As stated previously, I suggest you read some articles on being a slave, as I am afraid you have strayed off the beaten track so far we can no longer see you.

[Archeon]

Ok muskan, as this has been playing on my mind a bit, so I am going to break what you are saying down into basic english definitions:

Whore - Someone who has sex for money
Promiscuous - Someone who does not discriminate or has many sexual partners

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By definition a whore is promiscuous 99.99999% of the times, unless they are bound to one very rich client.

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Submissive - Someone who is inclined or willing to submit to orders or wishes of others or showing such inclination.

Slave - a person who is owned by someone

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This is the difference between a whore and a slave to answer your initial question. Even in the very rare case where a whore is tied to one client, this would not be in an ownership sense, mearly a mutually beneficial financial arrangement.

Extrapolating your logic I could pose the question, "What is the difference between a slave and a cat?" On the logic that sometimes I call my slave kitten? I really hope this clears things up for you, and why it may be offensive to people.

You said you were not looking for dinfitions, simply the emotional differences, you are essentially asking how a car feels about being not an apple.

Regards,

Arch

ps in my previous post "Being called a whore while trying to humilate a sub/slave does not make her a sub" was meant to read "Being called a whore while trying to humilate a sub/slave does not make her a whore"

[bluefarie]

Muskan,

it seems as though you are saying some slaves are prostituted out, making their dom's their pimps. While i am sure that there may be people out there that do this either for pleasure or it is to exploit said slave. From my understanding, as a slave, this is not the norm in any way.

Master and i have even joked about this, saying i'm not a whore because i have never been paid for sex, but i am a slut because i enjoy sex and enjoy, in a controlled environment, being shared with other men and women. This is not to say that i feel that i am really either one of these things, but it is meant to humiliate me.

Do i take this to mean that if i were paid for sex, even just once, that i would then be a whore? No, i do not. Master may call me these things to tease or humiliate me and has called me a whore, slut, piss slut, and many other degrading things. This does not mean that i consider myself to take on that as my personality or persona.

i think you are very very confused in that the term slave means a personality and the term whore means a profession. They are not interchangeable and nothing at all related to one another. i think that you really need to read more about what it means to be a slave, and while it may mean different things to different people, there are some general accepted things across the board. This does not include multiple partners, btw.

If Master, say for instance, wanted to "prostitute" me out to a person, this would not make me a whore, either.

Perhaps that is where you are confused.....subs/slaves who have fantasies about being prostituted out by their dom's or a dom who has fantasies of doing this to his sub/slave. Again this does not make them whores, but merely living out a fantasy.

i am not sure if there are any prostitutes/whores who are in fact slaves in a bdsm sense, but they may exist. This is the difference between a profession or work and personality.

if you would like a person to speak with privately about what a slave is more in depth, feel free to pm me.

Bluefarie, happily owned by Master Archeon

[Ozme52]

...but every whore is a prostitute.

A slave can be a whore, she cannot be a prostitute.

On top of everything else, how can anyone have a conversation with you if you write statements in conflict with each other?

What is it you're trying to say? Can you describe any of these points omitting the very words you want to define?

You're like the dictionary. A kidney is a bean-shaped organ. A bean is a kidney-shaped legume. Yeah. That's helpful.




Anyways, I wasn't looking for definitions, I was trying to pick out the difference between the emotional base of a whore and a slave.

Ah. You want to discuss the emotional base of words you use differently than everyone else.

Good luck with that.

[Ozme52]

There's nothing that may offend you or anybody.


Clearly another topic you have mistaken ideas about.

You don't get to dictate how others feel about your questions.

[FrgnSwtc]

I'd suggest to Muskan to buy a dictionary and pay attention when reading. As Acheron, Ozme and others have stated through out this thread the OP has serious problems identifying the difference with the terms.
This difference is not determined by ownership or lack there of, as assumed by the OP. The difference is defined by money exchange in the case of a prostitute, whore being the colloquial term.

I think it's extremely insulting to mix the 2 concepts, not to mention lacking in basic manners to address a BDSM community with that much clumsy naivety.

[FrgnSwtc]

To add to Acheron's definition research

Sexual Slavery
As it pertains to BDSM, slavery refers to a dominant person owning a submissive person as their property. It is a consensual exchange of power between individuals. The use of the term 'sex slave' rather than just 'slave' is sometimes used to differentiate between consensual slavery and non-consensual slavery, because sex is not a necessary component of consensual slavery. Not all submissives are slaves, though all slaves would normally be considered submissive in the relationship. Sex slaves, and their owners, can be of any gender, sexual identity, or orientation.
The types of activities entered into are usually well defined in advance and sometimes spelled out in a "slave contract", a non-legally binding document that outlines the desires, limits, and expectations of all involved. Slaves can and are often expected to perform sexually, though typically many relationship-oriented dynamics are also clearly negotiated, including clothing, diet, speech restrictions, household affairs and schedules. Typically outlined are clear expectations of whether the couple will be monogamous or polyamorous, and if there would be permission/expectations of sexual interaction with other people. Otherwise, a sex slave is often expected to perform many of the same functions that are expected of a slave/submissive, including wearing very revealing clothes, being shared, collar and/or leash, S&M activities, or bondage.
The duration of this ownership may vary anywhere from a few minutes, as in a scene, to a lifetime commitment. Slaves may be traded by their masters, enabled by sex club events, personals in BDSM interest magazines or internet based social networks. The owner might be any person or group, though the majority of such relationships are usually either one dominant, or a committed dominant couple owning one or more slaves. Commonly, an owned slave is also said to be a collared slave, though not every slave wears a physical collar. A slave who has satisfied the duration of the negotiated time of service is expected to be released, unless a new duration of service is negotiated. At any time, the slave has the right to revoke their legal consent to the relationship; effectively nullifying their status as a slave.
Generally the expectation with a slave are greater, and less subject to the whim of the slave than with a submissive. A slave has agreed to serve and obey and does not need to make a decision each time. Although expectations may be spelled out in a contract, they are frequently very broad, and give tremendous room for the dominant to direct the slave.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery_(BDSM)

Whore

1. A prostitute.
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous.
3. A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

intr.v. whored, whor·ing, whores
4. To associate or have sexual relations with prostitutes or a prostitute.
5. To accept payment in exchange for sexual relations.
6. To compromise one's principles for personal gain.

Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

[Torq]

OK, Folks

Posts and comments are to be made about the TOPIC ,,,,,,,,,

Not an ATTACK on the Poster.

NO EXCEPTIONS NO EXCUSES!!!!!!!

First and Last WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!

T

[roxi.slut]

Ok, it is a fair question, when one is new to the ways of D/s, M/s, etc.

Some of us are referred to as whores and sluts...frankly, I have been both. I am now a former slave who is now a submissive, due to life's circumstances. I am a bit offended that people who are slammed for our sexual kinks will be so judgemental of anyone else.

I was a slut, as I have already stated, and enjoyed being "easy". The thrill of getting paid to "play" was an exciting endeavour for me. I am not ashamed, as this was a form of experimentation, and part of my journey into the wonderful world of BDSM.

Before I discovered BDSM, I was a sex slave...since I didn't understand that the sexual appetite I had was not only about sex. I was a slave to my own misguided sexuality, and constantly felt like something was wrong with me..."sicko"...which is what much of the vanilla world deems us all.

Having said that, I do also agree that the differences are pretty clear. I am His whore, His little slut...but am no longer just a whore. I was missing out on the benefit that a slave or submissive enjoys, if they are blessed to have someone to use them, abuse them, and take care of them like the precious being that they are. Whores and sluts don't get to feel cherished...only used, which is also not a bad thing, if that's what turns them on.

[Muskan]

Whores and sluts don't get to feel cherished...only used, which is also not a bad thing, if that's what turns them on.

That is what I meant to say. A slave is to be cherished and she enjoys the pleasure of being cherished by her master. A whore often won't attain that feeling.

A slave is owned by a master with whom she feels complete. I don't think a whore can attain that feeling of completeness.

On the other hand, whore is free, slave has already submitted her freedom for the greater pleasure of consensual slavery.

[mistik]

I personally enjoy calling myself a slut or whore for my Master to degrade myself during play but it's purely psychological & not the reality of the situation. Just as I enjoy him calling me a worthless whore or nothing but a cum slut, etc.... I still feel extremely loved & cherished by him and he always takes the time to show me as well how not worthless I am, how special I am to him & how much he appreciates me being his own personal lil fuck toy. To us I guess they are just words meant to create a "feeling" for a scene & not to "define" who I truly am. Hope that makes sense... I know this is an old topic.

[slavebrat]

Here are some generalities to my thoughts as to the difference
slut- someone who enjoys sex (not necessarily a bdsm thing)
prostitute- someone who is paid to have sex (not a bdsm thing)
whore-someone who is not paid for sex, but has multiple partners. (could be a bdsm thing) My master calls me this, but not because I have multiple partners but the word makes me so shameful....which I like.
slave-someone is serving another, could be by sex or non sexual (definitely a bdsm thing)
submissive-someone who is willing to submit to a dominant (a bdsm thing)

[Woogsbie]

Does that make me a john if I toss my two cents in?

[lunaticlorraine]

I'm sure others have said it, but I'll say it in my own way :)

In my opinion a 'whore' is only in it for her own gain. Whether it be money or just simple pleasure.
A slave/submissive is in it for their Master/Mistress pleasure BEFORE their own. They live to serve where a whore is only interested in what she can get out of it.

My opinion :)

[Odysseus]

Unlike the numerous other posts......................those that can use a dictionary, others that have personal views, others still take another approach.

My answer to your wondering?... there is no difference... there is night and day difference. The thing is....... people call themselves whore... or are called ...whore............and it has no connection to what the dictionary says.

the difference between the two words...............is whatever you feel they are. The Dom in your life.. or the One using those words.... knows you.. knows how you feel............and knows how to push your buttons.



isnt that what its about?


Odysseus

[Maitresse_Emeraude]

Well, This is My own Piece of "Wisdom" in this topic But I think Yes, there Are differences, I may be right or May be wrong, yet again, It's only MY view of things:
First of All, There is a Difference A whore is someone profiting with herself (Either by pure sex or Monetary Gain), Personally I see them as low (Only the THINGS are lower) IF Applied to BDSM; so I use the term "whore" as an insult. While a slave is someone that GIVES HIMSELF/HERSELF to an owner, to do with She/He as he/she pleases, Out of Love or necessity, Being a slave Means being anything your owner wishes you to be. again, is a matter of desire of both parts. Finally a submissive is a being whom Keeps his/her self, yet decides to Gift us Dominants with his/her Submission...

These are my two cents
MELY

[Xmaster1]

Ever hear the story that eskimos have over 100 words for ice?
Every nasty degrading word ever devised has two meanings, the normal vanilla word meaning and the BDSM meaning. Mixing the discussion between the two only causes confusion and hurt.
My def of a whore inside BDSM is of a wonderful person who trusts me to call them that to make them feel a hightened sexual tension but who does not internalize the word and belive its true.
Make sense?

[Misschief]

Maybe we can let prostitute mean ..ya know.. sex for money.. and whore mean a submissive that loves to be used and fucked and can genuinely be happy for the rest of eternity doing so, without being paid.. i would love the latter half of that statement right about now.. so wet..

[ksst]

Ahhhhhh....

[Ozme52]

Maybe we can let prostitute mean ..ya know.. sex for money.. and whore mean a submissive that loves to be used and fucked and can genuinely be happy for the rest of eternity doing so, without being paid.. i would love the latter half of that statement right about now.. so wet..

No. It can't. You will deprive many many people of their degradation and humiliation play vocabulary.

It's not an offensive word until you start misdefining it to mean things other than what it means, as in the OP.

[Ozme52]

Ahhhhhh....

You called?

lol

[Dog's Lady]

A lot of people have bandied about definitions for these words, trying to make sense of, and less offensive-yes, I felt attacked in that post, and I am not even good enough at BDSM to call myself a slave yet. I'm just a wannabe doing her best to learn to be a slave someday-the original post. But remember that ther are two types of, or parts to, a definition. There is the denotation, the literal meaning, the dictionary definition; but there is also the connotation, the meaning we bring to the word. For example, "mom" just means maternal parent. But what images does it bring up? I don't know about you, but I get warm, fuzzy feelings from this word. Mom is someone who helps with homework, and bakes cookies, and your friends think she is cool even when you want to hate her. Mother, which has the same denotation, brings up entirely different feelings, of someone who is stern, lacks a sense of humor. She might have created you, and will serve your very basic needs: food, clothing, shelter; but she might neglect your needs for understanding, compassion, love.

My b/f called himself a whore to me, and I kind of lost it. We were on the phone, so at least he couldn't see my face, but I know he caught some of my shock. Was I about to be asked for money? Was he going to tell me the free samples were over? WTF? Then we talked more, and I learned that he meant with whore what I mean by slut, basically. He likes to sleep around, and someday, no matter how good things are with us, he will want some "strange." He wanted me to know this, to be prepared for the day he slept around. We laid some limits, and I agreed to it.

I guess my point is that the OP'er is working from very different connotations than the rest of us. We may never be able to have a rational conversation about this because we don't understand her connotations or where they come from. We are actually amazingly lucky that so many of us have connotations for a lot of things that match up well enough for us to talk about them. The fact that we can't quite get this one is sad, but not surprising. But I am going to assume that she meant no harm, as she doesn't seem to see how we are offended by it. Not that she refuses permission, she just doesn't see it. Kind of like men and dirty laundry, ladies, you know how they can walk right by a pile and never notice-till they run out of socks.

On the word slut, for what it's worth, I don't want to be called "slut," even in play, (although rather that than tease) but "pain slut" or "orgasm slut," that can turn me on. I never want to be called whore-as a Heinlein character put it, "I didn't know I could charge, till it was too late," or something like that. Didn't know I could make money, then found that, if I wanted it, I wouldn't want to take money, and anyone I didn't want didn't have enough money to get me to do it with them. In my current relationship, if he ever called me his slave, implying to me/us that I had learned enough to earn the title, that he loved me enough to want me as his slave, well, another man would have to tie me down to get sex of any type with me, unless my Master ordered it, and even that would be difficult to do. I don't want another man now, and he hasn't offered that much commitment-or compliment yet. So, as a slave, I could be neither whore nor slut, unless wanting him all the time makes me a slut. No, I still can't figure out her connotations. Sorry, I guess I can't help this discussion, after all.

[ksst]

You're right, if whore didn't mean whore, what would be the point of calling someone that? Personally, I like being called either one or a host of other things by my Master, when I have never slept around or taken money for sex, but the facts are not really the point. Degradation is the point.



Quote Originally Posted by ksst View Post
Ahhhhhh....
You called?

lol

Yes, Oz :)

[ksst]

I left out the whole OP part about "slave". To me that is totally different. Whereas whore and slut are similar, leaving out the money difference, you might call someone either and mean close to the same thing, as either an insult or a playful expression of love or lust, calling someone slave is a deeper level of commitment. Especially "my slave" : it means ownership, possession, full time commitment, although it does not imply exclusivity or monogamy to me.

[ownedslut]

My master call's me whore all the time but I am his only.We just like to use the term (name).

[The Novice]

My wife loves it when we are playing and I call her a whore or a slut. It turns her on, and there by turns me on. If you have a problem with the words used, I would say talk to you partner and let them know. Other wise use what ever words work for you and turn you and your parnter on.

[ownedslut]

I totally agree with you Novice:)

[jinx]

There's always a huge problem within BDSM (or just about any subculture really) of definitions. There's not exactly a Websters Dictionary Kink Edition to refer to. A lot of words get used interchangeably by some people (like sub and slave, Domme and Mistress, etc), and for others there are very concrete differences between the terms. What's worse (I think) is that often people who have personally defined definitions of certain words are offended or angered by people who are either inexperienced or use terms loosely.

The OP's question is one I struggled with for a long time myself in coming into BDSM. I work with words for living, so they carry a lot of weight for me in their 'official' meanings. The label 'slave' horrified me because of the historical baggage that word carries. People being forced to serve against their will and given no respect as human beings. I've come to learn that within the lifestyle, slave can be a very proud and noble title for a person to have.

Likewise, I find a wonderful humiliation pleasure in being called a little slut by someone I'm with. In that context, it's an affirmation and affectionate word of myself as a sexual being. The word whore was one that always made me angry. The difference as I saw it was this: A slut someone who expresses their sexuality freely and openly for someone they love and serve. A whore is someone who will show that same part of themselves to anyone who can pay for it. One was personal and loving, the other was business and nothing more.

What it comes down to in the end though, is that terms and words within the lifestyle are very fluid and personal things. What's most important (again, I think), is communication with your partner.. making sure you both have a similar view on terms and their meanings.