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Urinals made as an open women's mouth: art or offence or just a joke?
FrgnSwtc
06-11-2010, 08:02 PM
It's a joke... artsy designer stuff. Taking that any more seriously and giving it underline meaning is, imo, stretching it far to much for it's actual importance.
mistresscj
06-11-2010, 08:27 PM
I think artsy...it made me laugh to see the pic...If I was a guy I might feel awkard peeing in it though.
steelish
06-11-2010, 08:31 PM
As with anything designed by someone...it's whatever the viewer interprets it to be.
To me it's humorous and harmless, to another it might be offensive.
I think artsy...it made me laugh to see the pic...If I was a guy I might feel awkard peeing in it though.
Yes that's what I thought..not being into wet sports myself.
But.. I still felt a bit odd about it, because it is not just in one place but apparently in quite many. All main stream. Perhpas that is why it drew reactions.
denuseri
06-12-2010, 04:49 AM
The hoopla made by people against it to me seems all too typical of what I find wrong about the entire feminest movment truth be told.
CuntyVonTwatington
06-12-2010, 07:35 AM
It's a lot funnier to imagine the mouth isn't that of a woman... but of a lipstick wearing male submissive... after all, there are no facial features, and it is just a mouth with bright red lips. Maybe the problem isnt the urinal, but the assumption that if there is a "passive victim" it must be a female?? Maybe they should just lay those fuzzy toilet tank covers on the upper lip of half of them so they look like moustaches.......and maybe whoever is offended should spend their time helping actual humans that are being actually victimized...but that might be more difficult than fussing over where other people pee, and they may not get "results" that they can pat their own backs over. On the other hand, anyone that is freaking out over urinals is too busy tilting at windmills to bother with me, so maybe it's worth having nonsense in the world for that type of person to get excited over... it keeps them from looking to closely at me. ROFL
TantricSoul
06-12-2010, 10:13 AM
What about the possibility that the designer/manufacturer is just trying to make a statement about the Rolling Stones?
Ozme52
06-12-2010, 03:34 PM
Not allowed to complain about that if you didn't previously complain about this. See the smirks. (http://baklaako.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/urinal-art-small.jpg)
Ozme52
06-12-2010, 03:41 PM
Nuns. (http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/nuns-urinal.jpg)
Orchid. (http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/pink%20n%20green%20orchid.jpg)
Mannequins (http://www.foundshit.com/images/bathroom-mannequins-02.jpg)
Nature. (http://www.clarkmade.com/images%20exhibits/patrick%20moore%202007.jpg)
The music goes round and round... (http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/bizarre/urinal-instrument.jpg)
More. (http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/04/21/more-urinals/)
"The Woman Abuse Working Group, a coalition of 24 organizations, disagreed and led efforts to oust what it considered to be an offensive water closet."
What were they doing in the Men's room? Trying to be offended by men again?
Not allowed to complain about that if you didn't previously complain about this. See the smirks. (http://baklaako.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/urinal-art-small.jpg)
Wow! I hadn't seen that :d
For the record, taking up a topic is not complaining, just asking people's opion of it.
"The Woman Abuse Working Group, a coalition of 24 organizations, disagreed and led efforts to oust what it considered to be an offensive water closet."
What were they doing in the Men's room? Trying to be offended by men again?
I guess some man tipped them off ;-)
But you are right, only the men would see it (one must assume) and so it is in fact more interestig what the men think of this.
What do you think?
It's a lot funnier to imagine the mouth isn't that of a woman... but of a lipstick wearing male submissive... after all, there are no facial features, and it is just a mouth with bright red lips. Maybe the problem isnt the urinal, but the assumption that if there is a "passive victim" it must be a female?? Maybe they should just lay those fuzzy toilet tank covers on the upper lip of half of them so they look like moustaches.......and maybe whoever is offended should spend their time helping actual humans that are being actually victimized...but that might be more difficult than fussing over where other people pee, and they may not get "results" that they can pat their own backs over. On the other hand, anyone that is freaking out over urinals is too busy tilting at windmills to bother with me, so maybe it's worth having nonsense in the world for that type of person to get excited over... it keeps them from looking to closely at me. ROFL
At least people here have things to say about this, so I guess it was worth posting :-)
Actually, way I see it it would the men's reactions that is probably most interesting, they are the ones who are using the urinals.
The hoopla made by people against it to me seems all too typical of what I find wrong about the entire feminest movment truth be told.
Hm I cannot understand such a sweeping statement, as there is no such thing as a homogenous feminist movement. It is a grass root movement with many groups, many countries and many cultures representated, and they probably have a truckload of issues they can not agree upon.
denuseri
06-13-2010, 08:34 AM
Thats becuase they are always going about it the wrong way sugar.
At least in so far as when freaking out over things like art that may or may not be objectifing women.
Ozme52
06-13-2010, 02:44 PM
Wow! I hadn't seen that :d
For the record, taking up a topic is not complaining, just asking people's opion of it.
Just for the record, ;), my comment was addressed to the generic "you". I should've said "if they didn't complain about the first, they don't get to complain about the second.
What about the possibility that the designer/manufacturer is just trying to make a statement about the Rolling Stones?
I hadn't thought of that, my association was immediately with that sofa Andy Warhol designed like a pair of red lips.
I guess the immediate difference is, this is implicitly designed to be used (a) only by men and (b) in a way that's a lot more unkind than sitting on it.
denuseri
06-14-2010, 03:08 PM
First thing I thought of was the Lips from the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Which I never did figure out...were they the maid magneta's or did they belong to Tim Curry? I wonder which lips the artist was thinking of...could it be Tim Curry's? Maby the feminists arent the ones who should have their panties in a wad...maby the G&L community should be angry or perhaps ole Tim himself.
mr willing
06-14-2010, 03:46 PM
What about the possibility that the designer/manufacturer is just trying to make a statement about the Rolling Stones?
Or about me! Step right up! See if you can hit the uvula!
Nuns. (http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/nuns-urinal.jpg)
Orchid. (http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/pink%20n%20green%20orchid.jpg)
Mannequins (http://www.foundshit.com/images/bathroom-mannequins-02.jpg)
Nature. (http://www.clarkmade.com/images%20exhibits/patrick%20moore%202007.jpg)
The music goes round and round... (http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/bizarre/urinal-instrument.jpg)
More. (http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/04/21/more-urinals/)
Thank you for showing that it is a whole fad, I had no idea.
I would still like to know if you have ever met with any of these urinals, and if it were a problem, or brightened your day, or just didn't really register?
I hadn't thought of that, my association was immediately with that sofa Andy Warhol designed like a pair of red lips.
I guess the immediate difference is, this is implicitly designed to be used (a) only by men and (b) in a way that's a lot more unkind than sitting on it.
But how would you feel about using these urinals? (See link 'more' in ozme's mail as well.)
Will no male comment on this?????
Nuns. (http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/nuns-urinal.jpg)
Orchid. (http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/pink%20n%20green%20orchid.jpg)
Mannequins (http://www.foundshit.com/images/bathroom-mannequins-02.jpg)
Nature. (http://www.clarkmade.com/images%20exhibits/patrick%20moore%202007.jpg)
The music goes round and round... (http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/bizarre/urinal-instrument.jpg)
More. (http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/04/21/more-urinals/)
By the weid and wonderful ways of the net, half of these links landed me on websites concerning foot-ball..However, the 'more' one worked fine and I guess I have the most of it on that one.
The nuns ones looked sort of peaceful..
The mouth ones still offends me.
The ones that looked like being fucked from behind were very very sexy!
But the same motif with the sink was silly, as you can hardly reach the sink to wash your hands.
The spread and raised legs also sexy!
The one where you sit on a toilet shaped as as woman left me indifferent.
Not much logic in that..
I showed the pics to a male friend, and asked him what he thought.
After a moment he said: If you gotta go, you gotta go, and it doesn't matter what the urianal looks like.
Sensible guy.
But he also thought that some might have trouble zipping up their fly afterwards..hm? Impractical, that.
steelish
06-16-2010, 06:11 AM
but he also thought that some might have trouble zipping up their fly afterwards..hm? Impractical, that.
Tee hee.
That hadn't occurred to me...till now.
Thats becuase they are always going about it the wrong way sugar.
At least in so far as when freaking out over things like art that may or may not be objectifing women.
OK, I understand your point now.
Yes, in the Western world it is a joke - some of it even sexy ;-)
But had the pictures been from places around the world where women really are objects (cannot choose partner or sex partner, killed if dowry not paid, stoned to death if having a lover, cannot own things, gassed if you try to go to school and so on and on) such images would make me puke.
http://www.oo.com.au/Vice_Versa_Voodoo_Knife_Block__P29751C1838.cfm
What about this one?
openyoureyes
06-16-2010, 07:18 AM
http://www.oo.com.au/Vice_Versa_Voodoo_Knife_Block__P29751C1838.cfm
What about this one?
My aunt owns this. Said someone bought it for her and her husband to deal with arguments in the kitchen... I thought it was silly, albeit cute, but not offensive.
I'm not particularly offended by any of the urinals either, though.
Neither art nor offensive.
Well, if it were in a church or airport, that would be stupid. But in a bar or club, it's meant to be outlandish.
Jennifer Williams
06-17-2010, 06:43 AM
I am, for the most part, pretty accepting of most things, so I personally don't find this offensive.
My guess would be that enough men found it offensive that their complaints started the ruckus. My guess would be I might find it offensive if I were a man in that if I've gotta go, I have to go in one of those, or leave the building to try to find another one. Because pissing is a necessity, and there you are messing with it, taking away the men's control about it. Piss in the woman's mouth or...find a dark alley? Maybe that's what made them so upset.
I'm far more curious about what the mindset of this company was when they made these. "Guys, let's design this and see if anybody will buy it. *snicker*" I highly doubt their thought was "Well we all know women should be lesser than men, so let's make one of our urinals state that."
I was offended by the airline that considered installing them. My guess is (I would hope) that they were putting them in a bar area, but that is too public of a place, to me. Vanillas have a right to their idea of peace of mind, as do the rest of us, in very public places. In places where all kinds of people from all kinds of religions, races, and ethnicities come through, I think effort to make everything "blah" is necessary.
Also the bathroom with the photos of women watching while men piss was hysterical to me.
steelish
06-17-2010, 07:19 AM
So far...the only thing I've found offensive are the plastic (or sometimes metal) scrotums (http://www.trucknutzandbikerballz.com/Big_Nutz.html) that you can hang from the back bumper of vehicles.
I just don't think it's appropriate in any way, shape or form for a fake scrotum to be dangling out in the open where children can see it as someone drives down the road.
It makes me wonder how people would feel if someone invented fake vaginas for the backs of vehicles.
My guess would be that enough men found it offensive that their complaints started the ruckus. My guess would be I might find it offensive if I were a man in that if I've gotta go, I have to go in one of those, or leave the building to try to find another one. Because pissing is a necessity, and there you are messing with it, taking away the men's control about it. Piss in the woman's mouth or...find a dark alley? Maybe that's what made them so upset.I think I'm more PC than average, but if I'd come upon this unexpectedly I'd probably have thought "Oh, that's stupid." It's too far away from anything real for me to find it offensive.
I'm far more curious about what the mindset of this company was when they made these. "Guys, let's design this and see if anybody will buy it. *snicker*"
I think both this and the "nuns" were probably just visual free-association with the shapes of functional urinals. You did see that this was designed by a woman?
I was offended by the airline that considered installing them. My guess is (I would hope) that they were putting them in a bar area, but that is too public of a place, to me. Vanillas have a right to their idea of peace of mind, as do the rest of us, in very public places. In places where all kinds of people from all kinds of religions, races, and ethnicities come through, I think effort to make everything "blah" is necessary.
That is a good point. I can imagine prudes of many religions being offended by it.
Also the bathroom with the photos of women watching while men piss was hysterical to me.Me too. You did catch that they were all supposed to look awed or admiring at what they were seeing? A little wish-fulfilment fantasy to entertain the users...
Ozme52
06-17-2010, 10:21 PM
Thank you for showing that it is a whole fad, I had no idea.
I would still like to know if you have ever met with any of these urinals, and if it were a problem, or brightened your day, or just didn't really register?
None of these... but I have been to an Inn in California where the women's room was outfitted like a Victorian bordello and the men's room was a jungle... and one urinated into the waterfall.
The Ramada Inn I believe it was called, before the chain, in S.L.O. With themed rooms no less.
Thats becuase they are always going about it the wrong way sugar.
Gotta love generalizations, huh? They're making life so freakin' simple....
denuseri
06-18-2010, 12:28 PM
Why yes they do...especially when used in responce to other peoples generalizations.
FrgnSwtc
06-18-2010, 02:28 PM
gotta love generalizations, huh? They're making life so freakin' simple....
why yes they do...especially when used in responce to other peoples generalizations.
rofl
But how would you feel about using these urinals? (See link 'more' in ozme's mail as well.)
Will no male comment on this?????
I would use it, and be mildy amused while doing so.
I'm not into watersports, or even into that kind of humiliation ... not that anyone can humiliate porcelain objects at all. Now if women were brought in to act as urinals, maybe there would be grounds for objecting, but an image of a mouth (a man's? a woman's?) is nothing more than a cue to the imagination.
What I imagine is my own business.
It's like saying that a man who masturbates over a photograph is abusing the woman in the picture, or even over a hentai cartoon.
In my view, people do need to be considerate of other people's sensitivities, but imposing political correctness is a form of fascism. PC is a standard weapon in the armoury of militant femininsm, and I see it at work here. No woman has been harmed in the production of the urinals, or in their use. They are kept out of sight of women (with the possible exception of cleaners). Really, where's the problem?
This is just another excuse to make a fuss about nothing at all.
I'm far more curious about what the mindset of this company was when they made these. "Guys, let's design this and see if anybody will buy it. *snicker*" I highly doubt their thought was "Well we all know women should be lesser than men, so let's make one of our urinals state that."
Also the bathroom with the photos of women watching while men piss was hysterical to me.
As I remember, some of them at least were made by a female Dutch artist.
If by hysterical you mean funny, I reacted that way too! Maybe we are just women chauvinists ;-)
However, the knife block made out of a male body spooked me. Seemed very hostile.
chuck
06-23-2010, 08:38 AM
...I have been to an Inn in California where the women's room was outfitted like a Victorian bordello and the men's room was a jungle... and one urinated into the waterfall.
The Ramada Inn I believe it was called, before the chain, in S.L.O. With themed rooms no less.That brings back memories. I was there on my 21st birthday. The whole evening had been bar hopping. I hadn't had much experience with alcohol previously, so I had decided to try a different drink at each one to see which I liked the best (not surprising, I didn't remember... or care by the next morning).
The waterfall urinal was well known, but frankly, I don't really remember it. I do remember they had a waterfall in the lobby as well and when I started over to it, my friends intercepted me and led me to the men's room with the admonition "Oh, no you don't! Wrong waterfall."
Ozme52
06-24-2010, 08:50 PM
LMAO @ "wrong waterfall".
DuncanONeil
06-26-2010, 10:03 AM
I think artsy...it made me laugh to see the pic...If I was a guy I might feel awkard peeing in it though.
Now there is a point I missed, teeth are always a subliminal fear!
DuncanONeil
06-26-2010, 10:04 AM
Yes that's what I thought..not being into wet sports myself.
But.. I still felt a bit odd about it, because it is not just in one place but apparently in quite many. All main stream. Perhpas that is why it drew reactions.
The article did make a point that there were differences.
DuncanONeil
06-26-2010, 10:06 AM
What about the possibility that the designer/manufacturer is just trying to make a statement about the Rolling Stones?
:)
DuncanONeil
06-26-2010, 10:13 AM
A couple of page numbers would have been nice!
Nuns. (http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/nuns-urinal.jpg)
Orchid. (http://www.notempire.com/images/uploads/pink%20n%20green%20orchid.jpg)
Mannequins (http://www.foundshit.com/images/bathroom-mannequins-02.jpg)
Nature. (http://www.clarkmade.com/images%20exhibits/patrick%20moore%202007.jpg)
The music goes round and round... (http://www.foundshit.com/pictures/bizarre/urinal-instrument.jpg)
More. (http://contexts.org/socimages/2008/04/21/more-urinals/)
Ozme52
06-29-2010, 02:48 PM
A couple of page numbers would have been nice!
Well... some are direct links to the pics... and some were page one when I posted them... but time moves on Duncan.
Get over it!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ozme52
06-29-2010, 02:50 PM
How about this bit of bathroom hardware?
Dispenser (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_R82NiK5fTe8/SR37_63KfoI/AAAAAAAABFU/4NjZXWy4XJQ/s320/GetAttachment.jpg)
DuncanONeil
07-03-2010, 06:49 AM
Darn!
Well... some are direct links to the pics... and some were page one when I posted them... but time moves on Duncan.
Get over it!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DuncanONeil
07-03-2010, 06:50 AM
Actually kind of funny!
How about this bit of bathroom hardware?
Dispenser (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_R82NiK5fTe8/SR37_63KfoI/AAAAAAAABFU/4NjZXWy4XJQ/s320/GetAttachment.jpg)