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denuseri
08-15-2010, 10:45 AM
Hi I just ran accross this litle article from the AP and figured I would share and see what views everyone had.

Independents who embraced President Barack Obama's call for change in 2008 are ready for a shift again, and that's worrisome news for Democrats.

Only 32 percent of those citing no allegiance to either major party say they want Democrats to keep control of Congress in this November's elections, according to combined results of recent Associated Press-GfK polls. That's way down from the 52 percent of independents who backed Obama over Republican Sen. John McCain two years ago, and the 49 percent to 41 percent edge by which they preferred Democratic candidates for the House in that election, according to exit polls of voters.

Independents voice especially strong concerns about the economy, with 9 in 10 calling it a top problem and no other issue coming close, the analysis of the AP-GfK polls shows. While Democrats and Republicans rank the economy the No. 1 problem in similar numbers, they are nearly as worried about their No. 2 issues, health care for Democrats and terrorism for Republicans.

Ominously for Democrats, independents trust Republicans more on the economy by a modest but telling 42 percent to 36 percent. That's bad news for the party that controls the White House and Congress at a time of near 10 percent unemployment and the slow economic recovery.

"People are just struggling, they need a job but there's nowhere to get a job," said independent Leilani Buxman, 55, of Greeley, Colo. Of Obama, she said, "It seems like he talks but he doesn't do anything about it."

Both parties court independents for obvious reasons. Besides their sheer number — 4 in 10 describe themselves as independents in combined AP-GfK polling for April, May and June — they are a crucial swing group.

To try winning them over, Republicans say they will contrast Obama's campaign promises of change with the huge spending programs he's approved. Democrats say they will warn independents that a GOP victory will revive that party's efforts to cut taxes for the rich and transform Social Security into risky private investment accounts.

Targeting independents is tricky, though, because the makeup of independents evolves over time.

Their numbers have swollen from 3 in 10 two years ago, due partly to the weakened political loyalties that typify years without presidential elections. While some are conservatives dissatisfied with Republicans, similar numbers are disillusioned Democrats, underscoring a frustration with the party in power often seen when the economy is bad.

Reflecting these conflicting dynamics, today's independents are likelier to be minorities, conservatives, less educated, lower paid and from rural areas than they were in 2008. Sixty-seven percent think the country is heading in the wrong direction, compared with 59 percent of all voters who think so.

"Why not stop bickering and do something. Pull together," said Chip A. Hoeye, 54, of Fort Atkinson, Wis., an independent and Obama voter who says he doesn't care which party controls Congress because of their constant battling.

Independents trust Republicans far more than Democrats for handling national security, but give Democrats a 42 percent to 36 percent edge for dealing with health care — a potential sign that distrust over Obama's signature issue is receding.

Hope is not lost for Democrats.

The AP-GfK polls show a narrow 44 percent to 41 percent overall preference for a Democratic Congress. The party is holding its 2008 edge among women and urban residents, and still splitting the vote of pivotal suburbanites and people earning $50,000 to $100,000.

But less than three months from Election Day, independents aren't the only part of Obama's 2008 coalition that shows waning enthusiasm for a Democratic-controlled Congress.

Other groups that supported Obama but show less fervor include young whites, unmarried women, people who live in the West, people earning under $50,000 a year, college graduates and urban whites. The falloff shows that Democrats have work to do with blocs the party hoped an Obama presidency would cement into dependable supporters.

There's even erosion among minorities. While 8 in 10 voted for Obama, fewer than two-thirds want a Democratic Congress, and 1 in 9 don't care which party controls.

Democrats are also losing further ground with GOP-leaning groups such as white men, married men and people earning over $100,000 a year.

Ebbing support for Democrats, compared with the vote for Obama, partly reflects that a president's popularity doesn't necessarily help his party in Congress. It also comes as Obama's own image has suffered: 49 percent approve of his job performance in the AP-GfK polls, compared with 67 percent who approved in February 2009, days after he took office.

The data from the AP-GfK polls combines surveys conducted June 9-14, May 7-11 and April 7-12 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. A total of 3,047 randomly chosen adults were interviewed by cell and landline telephone. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

The exit poll for the November 2008 presidential election was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for the AP and television networks in 300 precincts nationally. The data was based on 17,836 voters, including telephone polling of 2,407 people who voted early, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 1 percentage point.

DuncanONeil
08-15-2010, 09:15 PM
Hi I just ran accross this litle article from the AP and figured I would share and see what views everyone had.

The AP-GfK polls show a narrow 44 percent to 41 percent overall preference for a Democratic Congress. The party is holding its 2008 edge among women and urban residents, and still splitting the vote of pivotal suburbanites and people earning $50,000 to $100,000.

I am not so sure about that data.
Generic Congressional Vote
Polling Data
Poll__________Date_____Sample_____Republicans_Demo crats_Spread
RCP Average__8/2 - 8/11_--_________46.4______41.2_______Republicans +5.2
FOX News____8/10 - 8/11_900 RV____44________37________Republicans +7
CNN/Op______8/6 - 8/10__935 RV____48________45_______ Republicans +3
PPP (D)______8/6 - 8/9___606 RV____45________42________Republicans +3
Gallup_______8/2 - 8/8___1600 RV___49_________43_______Republicans +6
Rsmusen Rpts_8/2 - 8/8___3500 LV___46________39________Republicans +7

tedteague
11-04-2010, 08:04 PM
Seems like the bigger issue is that congressional approval has been around 20% for 20 years now and they still have 90% of all fat cats come back every election

DuncanONeil
11-06-2010, 08:49 PM
Seems like the bigger issue is that congressional approval has been around 20% for 20 years now and they still have 90% of all fat cats come back every election

Well the last and this election seem to point to the people kickin' people out for not representing the people!

Thorne
11-07-2010, 07:52 AM
Well the last and this election seem to point to the people kickin' people out for not representing the people!
Maybe, but how many of the professional politicians who got kicked out were simply replaced by other professional politicians. Far TOO many, for my taste.

DuncanONeil
11-07-2010, 11:11 AM
Maybe, but how many of the professional politicians who got kicked out were simply replaced by other professional politicians. Far TOO many, for my taste.

Perhaps! But with the mood of the country leading to this election I think we need to step back and see what they do. Screw it up and we will see another mass firing next time as well.

Thorne
11-07-2010, 07:14 PM
Agreed!

Stealth694
11-12-2010, 10:18 AM
Obama rode the " Yes We Can" slogan into the white house,, now he is finding out that it takes more than a slogan to stay in the white house. But he is a one term president,, already he had changed one of his biggest campaign promises, he promised to get us out of the Middle East by 2010,,, Its been changed to 2014,, He is waffling on tax cuts,, and I have a feeling thats only the start... Yes We Can is turning into What Have You Done..

DuncanONeil
11-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Agreed!

Did hear a talking head complaining about those associated with the Tea Party as they seem to not have anything to say about the "debt commission" even the parts that they say they are in agreement with.

DuncanONeil
11-12-2010, 11:12 PM
Somebody in another forum induced me to look at the Clinton years and the tax data. With the claim of their being a $trillion plus surplus as a result of the major tax increase. Turns out that Clinton with his tax increase collected $6.2 trillion while in office. The tax cuts of the Bush years, however, "only" resulted in $9.5 trillion.

Not exactly on point but not far off either, since taxes were at least mentioned. And it is the first time I found independent confirmation of lower taxes making more money!


Obama rode the " Yes We Can" slogan into the white house,, now he is finding out that it takes more than a slogan to stay in the white house. But he is a one term president,, already he had changed one of his biggest campaign promises, he promised to get us out of the Middle East by 2010,,, Its been changed to 2014,, He is waffling on tax cuts,, and I have a feeling thats only the start... Yes We Can is turning into What Have You Done..