Overpowering, submission, and safety

[Vashii]

So I come to you today with a question. My pet want's me to "overpower" him; basically make him submit in an animalistic sense. I'm fine with this, I wouldn't just submit to anyone either without proof that they are worth submitting to (physically). Here's my dilemma- He's about 240 lbs, and ex football player. He knows how to fight and he's just downright much stronger than me. (6'3" @240 vs 5'4" @135) How do I "win"? Without resorting to things like tasers (He's been tased before... I don't think it would put him in a good place. It would probably make him flip a shit.) I am concerned a) for mental wellbeing of all involved b) physical safety c) Winning. This may be a really "noob" set of questions, but keep in mind that we are all young once (I'm in college) and I'm really just stumped. Any advice/tips/tricks would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[lucy]

How do I "win"?

Err .... you don't? Not if he doesn't want to let you win and/or if it has to be realistic. Or maybe if you know a good deal of Kung Fu some other of this stuff.

Sorry, but ... well, it just doesn't sound feasible. Besides, who says that someone's gotta be "physically stronger to be worth submitting to"? I'm rather sure that in most relationships where a woman dominates a man she's not the (physically) stronger of the two.

In your place, I'd work on that attitude, not on a plot to subdue him by force.

[_ID_]

You either compel him to submit, or he doesn't. This is physically as well as mentally. Did he say overpower him physically or mentally? Physically you're going to need an edge, as lucy suggested. Martial Arts, and wrist locks are the first thing to come to mind. Mentally, you just need to know his mind, and then know how to compel him to do your will.

[maryrobyn]

You either compel him to submit, or he doesn't. This is physically as well as mentally. Did he say overpower him physically or mentally? Physically you're going to need an edge, as lucy suggested. Martial Arts, and wrist locks are the first thing to come to mind. Mentally, you just need to know his mind, and then know how to compel him to do your will.

Could it be since he brought it up that he wants to be overpowered & will only put up a token resistance? The first time you go for a tender area & inflict a little pain he will surrender & be yours totally?
I saw this once where a woman made a big deal of not submitting no matter what the torture inflicted on her. So 2 of us women took her for a session & after just a few minutes of pain she surrendered completely & is a great submisive now. She only wanted to be made to accept her place & felt if she resisted a bit before she gave in then she could tell herself that she had tried to hold out but had to give in eventually. Maybe yours has the same attitude?

[DeityorDevil]

Physically, ju-jitsu can be very effective against someone larger than you are, if necessary. Aside from being an excellent way to stay in shape, it might be something you could look into to gain an edge.

Other than that, I concur with _ID_, if you have the mental side locked down, you have your pet locked down. Which is really my favorite way to gain someone's submission, knowing exactly what makes them tick to have my way. Reading up on psychology can be very helpful in that regard, if you have an interest.

[Georgicus]

The triptamine in turkey along with a rope, scarf, etc around his neck, not hard enough to do true physical damage so less than 50 lbs of force but enough to show him whos boss, while you tie his hands would work, or if you truly want to go for the physical side get your leg behind his knee force him over and get your hands on or in something sensitive as quickly as possible and go from there

[btvsna]

If I may, perhaps you should consider taking self defense classes. They often teach smaller women how to take down a larger opponent, and are frequently offered for free by many colleges (I know that when I was in college, I had little money to spend on...well, anything).

[Austerus]

Hi Vashil,
I don't know if this is still an issue for you, but if it is then I have heard some Dommes in the past talk about similar issues. Though it's not possible for you to win against him in a fair fight, there's no rule that says the fight has to be fair. If he wants to be overpowered then presumably he'll be willing to help you set up a situation in which he is at a disadvantage such that you can take him down.

The most obvious way to go about that would be to start the scene with his hands cuffed behind his back. That would give you a clear advantage while still allowing him to feel like he was struggling. Other potential additions to the equation could be a blindfold or hood, hobbles, a neck chain, etc. You could start with a crop or other small (non-electric) weapon.

Remember it doesn't have to be 100% "real" to be satisfying to both of you. Don't be afraid to set up a scene in a way that will allow you to both get the outcome you want, so long as it's safe.

[DontFWM]

Vashii Im coming in late on this debate,but perhaps sneakyness could be the key here...There arent many men who can reject a blowjob and Im one of them...Start a blow job and once you have his nuts firmly in hand bring the matter of submission up and tell him that "Right now" might be a good time to submit...