Orgasms

[g42]

I would like to see a lit litporn story where the woman doesn't come everytime her nipples are tweaked. Actually, I'd like to see one where she doesn't come at all.

Cause I can't come and I know that lots of other chicks can't, especially us kittens, you know, so I think it would be nice to have mor realistic stories, in that sense.

just a suggestion, natch.

[GaryWilcox]

In some of the better stories I've read, the MaleTop doesn't initially get the FemaleBottom to orgasm... it takes prolonged sexual stimulation, and we get to understand her body's surrender sometimes from her point of view, sometimes even from the Male view.

I suspect that most writers-- and most readers-- like that all the walls come down eventually in a M/f sexual encounter, and include that event as a small milestone in the change that occurs in the characters...

The male orgasm is pretty much a lock in those stories. but the female orgasm is usually the carrot at the end of the stick (at least, for me). On the other side in Domination, the f in M/f often has her right to release herself into orgasm revoked by her Master.

I have similar issues with Size, where a woman gushes into orgasm because the penis involved is 12 inches.. or bigger... and thick as a wrist, instead of because her clitoris is stimulated properly and she is psychologically at the point of release. There's a limit to what the body stretches to...

[g42]

Women in a lot of stories come very easily.

It makes me jealous. <g>

I'm also not sure about the idea that a woman can be "forced" to have an orgasm. I don't know about anyone else, but I have to put a cetain amount of thought and conentration into being arroused at all. I don't think sticking a viberator against my clit is going to force me to come. If anything it would just give that numb feeling one gets from too much vibage. If you were being forced in to something, trhat's just going to be annoying.

But then, I don't think I could write, generally, nearly as well as most stories posted around here, so I guess I'm not one to tlak. :p

[GaryWilcox]

Thought really doesn't have to be a part of arousal at all. In my opinion, the rational pattern we place on arousal when we try to concentrate on it damages the 'build' of sexual tension. Release comes when the body surrenders to natural, prime instinct.

I think the bondage and most "forced" play stems from a primal place, where we answer instinct to take what we want and revert to animal sensation, or be taken and submit to those feelings.

And I think that's the fantasy from top and bottom views; the top takes pleasure by force, and, will succumbed to imprisonment and brutality, the bottom survives by finding pleasure in surrendering the body, mind and soul to the aggressor.

The orgasm can come from forced stimulation, but I think there has to be the element of submission of will first. In some of the better stories, it takes a while to happen, but it does happen.

Happens in nature (specifically with wolves), but there's a tenderness that couples it. Humans have the rationale to build in "evil" in sexual abandon and "good" in chastity. Animals just do their courtship dance, then struggle to fulfill their gender roles as instinct directs of them. The male provides for the female. The female protects the young.

For me, that's the only reason I can think that Bestiality is as popular a subject as it is-- that it strikes that sleeping animal instinct that we bury under our rational superegos.

[simons]

From the viewpoint of an author, I have to say:

An orgasm is a necessary relief, when the intercourse-vocabulary is exhausted.

I don't envy those writers of non-BDSM erotica.
They have no whips, chains, ropes, dungeons, nipple clamps etc. to keep the readers happy.

[g42]

I guess that's true.

And yeah, vanilla stuff does tend to suck IMHO.

[jilli]

I find it very difficult to imagine writing an erotic story that doesn't include sexual climax.

This is perhaps (as spatula pointed out) because I adore the submission to the animal impulses. I firmly believe a woman's inability to climax is almost always rooted in her mind (emotional conflict or inablility to let go, etc). When she eventually yields to her Master or tormenter, it seems climax is an inevitable outcome.

(wouldn't the story be a letdown if the yielding were only accompanied by sex that was just so-so?)

I do agree though that most women will not cum over the simple tweaking of a nipple. (I wish! ;))

I particularly enjoy it when the yielding is slow and the psychological content is complex.

But now that I'm really thinking about it, I can envision several story lines where an orgasm would not need to be involved. But let me ask this... were you thinking along the lines of a woman having great sex but no climax....or would it be more along the lines of her trying desperately to climax, but being denied the stimulation that she requires? Hmmm...

[GaryWilcox]

Gwen's post has really affected my writing of the past four days.

I'm doing a personalized story for someone on www.rapedungeon.com, and as I was going over the issue, it occured to me that if I didn't watch out, I'd be guilty of an easy-to-read mess of "what can we do the sub now?"

The more though I give to whom the sub is, and her experience in the story, the better I can paint a detailed and exciting portrait of the character, and the scene.