Get the fuck out of America...

[jj_frap]

I don't care if you have to run a donation drive or shut the site down a few weeks to move servers or whatever: There's some serious shit going down right now and the fate of sexual freedom lies in getting all American erotic content onto foreign servers before the Religious Reich takes everything away.

They use guns, so we'd better fucking learn how to pull the trigger if we ever hope to defeat the enemies of freedom.

[Dara]

I'm not American and I have no idea what you're talking about.

[delish]

JJ is talking about the fact that because BDSM Library is hosted on an American server, they're going to have to remove specific content from the site. Hence the reason this was posted in the "ways to improve the site" section.

Take care!

'lish

[allalone46]

It doesn't matter if the server is in the US or off shore. If it sending prohibited matereal the government can have it shut do in the contry or contries tht this matereal is prohibited do to international treatys.

[albear]

The way I understand it is that the site is subject to the laws of the country it's server is in. It's the reason BMEzine's servers are now in Canada. Because the site owner refused to remove pictures and stories of body modification that could be deemed sexual (nipple and genital mods) he was facing big trouble. So he picked up and moved everything over to Canada. Problem solved. Except he can never return to America because he'll be arrested. I was going to post the link, but it's been removed as well! This is where it was (http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20050703.html)

[allalone46]

The way I understand it is that the site is subject to the laws of the country it's server is in. It's the reason BMEzine's servers are now in Canada. Because the site owner refused to remove pictures and stories of body modification that could be deemed sexual (nipple and genital mods) he was facing big trouble. So he picked up and moved everything over to Canada. Problem solved. Except he can never return to America because he'll be arrested. I was going to post the link, but it's been removed as well! This is where it was (http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20050703.html) Your half right. One country can't require thouse of an other country on the web/net to go by there laws and vice versa. Tere is an other part of the equation though that does go though international law, adn that one contry by triety has to require that something that is legal in one contry but not in an other can't be set from the one were it is legal to the one were it is not. There are some countrys that don't do what is required by the trietys that they signed and than thre is contries that didn't sine these. triety.

[slave ruthie]

sis, i think one link that does still work is here (http://www.bmezine.com/news/bmenews.html) :)

[LoversDelight82]

I don't care if you have to run a donation drive or shut the site down a few weeks to move servers or whatever: There's some serious shit going down right now and the fate of sexual freedom lies in getting all American erotic content onto foreign servers before the Religious Reich takes everything away.

They use guns, so we'd better fucking learn how to pull the trigger if we ever hope to defeat the enemies of freedom.


You think it's just the US? Check out the UKs plan to remove the 'smut' from the world...

[slave ruthie]

You think it's just the US? Check out the UKs plan to remove the 'smut' from the world...

its very sad - there's a new witch-hunt building up against 'violent pornography' in the UK without any dispassionate debate about whether there's any evidence linking it to actual crime. its all part of the drive in my country to micro-manage our lives - we are told its to protect us and for our own good but if i remember my history correctly, people like Stalin and Hitler tended to say similar things too! its just a matter of time before the cracks show up and we find out that our moral guardians are just as perverted as the rest of us but too hypocritical to admit it. meanwhile, the BDSM community will be reviled as evil, depraved, sick, dangerous, corrupt, (err i've run out of insults...please add your own lol)

i expect i'll end up in some kind of concentration camp or psychiatric institution being re-educated into proper moral values - unless Master and i manage to escape to a more civilised country that recognises its citizens are actually grown up and not just wayward children for "nanny" to control and protect from ourselves ;)

(oops - i just ranted! - sorry!)

see Y/you in the Gulag!

[cagedsgt]

While I might have all the answers, but one that I do have a strong feeling about isn't that they are trying to just shut everythign down.

As far as I can tell they are targeting those that don't have control, that being if a child can get in and see what they call porn then tehy are going after them.

If the login and age protections are tight and protect the innocent children then they are leaving them alone.

Now this might not be absolute but it is what I have been getting out of everything I have been reading about the problems.

Two major targeted areas, child porn, and child access.

cagedsgt

[learningtopleez]

Hi caged sgt...while it is true that child porn or anything remotely connected to underage children is a target...several other areas are also being watched by our esteemed government....just one of which includes S&M.

It is my opinion that if child access is a concern of anyones....it should be that of the parents of these children...NOT the governments! I personally do not rely on the government to help me raise my two kids, so I surely don't think it neccasary for them to decide what sites should be targeted and which sites should not. Each childs parent or parents are responsible for making sure their kids are not visiting websites that they are not ready for.

And no you can't keep an eye on them 24/7....at least not when they become teenagers as my two are....that is when you have to hope that you raised them well enough to make competent and intelligent decisions....and even then...well....hell...they are teenagers...of course they will screw up!

But if the child is of an impressionable age, you should be by their side....or have some kind of filtering system to keep them off of sites such as those being bashed.

Okay...I'm done now :rant: ...sorry :o ...but I have been wanting to say this for some time now!

[Sir Lanceloth]

ohh bloody hell! yes im an dominant and happy about it! but even that does not prevent me from hating peoble who become so dominant as to wish to run entire nations life and morals! dammit id like to slap some of those holier than thou christians who claim sex is dangerous!!!

ok fit of rage over. It really can pose a big problem for many "perverts" out there that entire previously opened countries now become more and more like an fundamentalist state. My advice: move to another country. Come to denmark, id be happy to welcome you here :)

In my point of view it is ok to have moral and ethic standards in an country, as long as you allow those that doesnt want to follow it the freedom to leave the country. Of course the moral and ethic standards should then be followed and agreed by an huge majority of the population prior to enforcing such standards and morals. Sadly that is rarely the case, and the hypocrisy of few can easily become the torment of many.

[cagedsgt]

learningtoplease, while in most ways I have to agree, but when a search of slavery brings up so many not historical sights and this is done at schools that have the filters but still things get through, maybe tighter control isn't a bad idea.

Oh I agree and support the fact that just to say it can't be there isn't the answer either. But if to protect a child we have to find a way to contain our adult enjoyments with a little more difficulty then I can accept that.

I have to agree that they are going way over board, but as Dateline has shown on the 4th, for those that want to abuse our children they can find a way. and to that I agree that we need to protect.

So a single age requirement that is controlled by the government might sound sily to many it might be the answer.

And besides the Postal System has been trying to come up with a univeral email system to help with the control of mailings. So easy now to make up an address and spam and then delete an address that something needs done.

cagedsgt

[abitbent]

Any system of government that makes Laws based on religious belief is wrong. Freedom to practice religion on an individual basis is fine, but forcing those beliefs onto the masses by turning them into laws is morally wrong in itself.

What makes the riligious moral police of America any better than the Taliban in Afganistan? Bush constantly spewed how the liberation of Afganistan was important so he could provide freedom to it's masses. How is oppression by sesnsorship based on his Christian values any different?

Organized religion in my opinion is a dangerous thing. If you look at any large conflicts or wars from history, religion was the root cause of any of it. Religion is the reason for the war on terrorism today.

Perhaps America should spend more time worrying about that, then listening to the Jesus freaks that complained about Janet Jackson's tit.

Shameful

bent

[learningtopleez]

learningtoplease, while in most ways I have to agree, but when a search of slavery brings up so many not historical sights and this is done at schools that have the filters but still things get through, maybe tighter control isn't a bad idea.

Hi again cagedsgt...I just did a search on google with the word slavery, and got nothing but articles related to slavery with the first 20 hits. So I thought...let me try the word slaves...same thing happened...all articles were related to slavery of Africans in America with the first 10 hits. I'm not sure what the schools use as it's search engine, just as I am not sure what shows up after the 20th article. My point is kids are gonna find the stuff no matter how well it is hidden.


So a single age requirement that is controlled by the government might sound sily to many it might be the answer.

If they can come up with something like this, that makes it more difficult for kids to get on a site they have no business on, then by all means...let them....but I can tell you, as a parent who has a son who went through some rough times with the wrong people and got caught up in drugs....if your kid wants to find your credit card, so that they can access a site...they will.

My son went through a period of doing drugs that screwed him up so badly, he would steal my bank card while I was asleep and get money out to buy drugs, and then replace the card, and lie to my face when asked about the missing money.:eek: But my son is a good kid...he truly is...he was before he got involved with these people, he was while he was involved with those people, and he is now. It is called unconditional love. But kids will try you...they will test you and push your limits....just to see if they can get away with something...lol...sounds like they are Doms in the making!:p

I just don't know if there will be a way to keep them away from something...especially if they know it is forbidden! The same goes for those that prey on kids...they will find a way...it has been going on since the beginning of time, and no new law, about what can and cannot be allowed on the internet, is going to change that, unfortunately, imho.

[cagedsgt]

Thank you, I agree with both of you, in many ways, but while we still maintain our freedoms, shouldn't we also be concerned with the protection of the innocent.

As for most schools they use MSN, for their search tool. But our youngsters, seem to know more about the computers then most of the teachers and they pop into night search and a few others.

I'm amazed at some of the things that have been in the history files on school computers.

Now as for searchs. add the word story behind your slave searchs. Tey a different thought. I tried bound stories and found over half of the returns come back as adult pay per sites.

Of course if a teenagers gets something in their minds that sound interesting they are going to do what they can to learn more. And so they will find away.

And it we make it to hard for them then it will be much to hard for the common PC user also. So we find a good place and share links to other places we have found. With the areas that do have sound age checks.

And while I try not to judge, I have seen five of the cases that have been charged in my state. Three had child porn and the other two that were suppose to be S&M, had very edge play things and one that if I was judging might have even been on the snuff side.

I don't feel they are trying to shut down everything, but the illegal things that have been illegal for years seem to have spread ten fold on the internet lately.

I think many of us that have just enjoyed a little bondage and a few good stoies are taking the new things a bit over board. But the law they using is one that has been around for years and it was just brought back to the main front and tweaked the wording a little.

The problem will come as the smaller, rural more righteous so to speak start choosign what they feel as porn compared to what big cities might think.

Just as an example, you can't even buy a playboy or hustler in the town I live in. Makes for a very safe community to raise children, but then as the children go to college and get their eyes opened they stumble with all the this is real world things.

cagedsgt