Inescapable Bondage

[TheThinMan]

My Pet enjoys her training sessions, but she really enjoys putting up a fight until being forced to submit. She also happens to be a black belt, an apparent escape artist, and possesses far more perserverence than anyone should. Just during our last session, while blindfolded and mummified in cling wrap and duct tape, managed to roll off the bed, onto her feet, and hop across the house and down the stairs. Being the overly kind sort that I am, I just let her wear herself out, making sure she didn't fall down any stairs. When she finally fell over, I caught her and told her how impressed I was that she almost managed to make it to the French doors that faced the neighbors. That (and the TENS unit) took a lot of the fight out of her.

In the past, I've treated bondage as symbolic decoration more than practical restraint, so I'm at a loss for figuring out ways to keep her controlled. So far, I've learned through trial and error that fur lined anything is a waste of money, all bondage is pure decoration without locks unless the hands are completely under control, most carabiners are designed to be easy to open, and that duct tape and cling wrap works wonders (though it takes forever to apply and is hard to play with anyone mummified).

Does anyone have suggestions for bondage tools or techniques that are, in order: nearly impossible to escape, comfortable to wear for at least 2-3 hours a stretch, and leaves enough access and freedom to the victim that the play session is still fun. Easy to get in to is also a plus. Right now, I'm looking at things like impaler bars, which seem simple enough and at makes the struggling to escape enjoyable.

[subdude05]

One method, if youvegot the time and space, would to build a large x frame, as long as its longer than your pets arms and legs theres no way she will be able to move it enough to escape, expecialy if you duct tape or leather strap her wrists, elbow, ankle, thigh, and waist. the bonus is that she and her pleasures will be accesable. The only down side is that the x frame would be rather large, unless you put two washers (maybe some ballbearings) between a large screw attaching the two peices of wood together then it would be collapsable. Im sure anyone creative enough to partisipate in bondage games could come up with a cover story for it, ie, "its an experimental washing line", or "havent you heard, everyone's got one, there the latest craze, decrative light switch framing, duh.

Not the most practical approach but woth a thought, im off to make one now, i'll be back in a couple of hours.:)

[subdude05]

it'll need some kind of mechanism for locking it open, maybe a peice of wood between the two planks neer the top, hinged one end and fits into a slot on the other.

and maybe some padding. but thats down to taist

[Katmandu]

Hmm, spreader bars, with real chains/locks for the ankle and wrist restraints. Especially, with the hands fisted, and bound (socks, mittens, leather,etc. and then taped off.) Then, simply tie off the spreader bars. She will go nowhere, I guarantee! And, will be totally exposed to your machinations! :hubba:

[csr]

... So far, I've learned through trial and error that fur lined anything is a waste of money, all bondage is pure decoration without locks unless the hands are completely under control, most carabiners are designed to be easy to open, ....

I disagree. Fur-lined leather cuffs with locking buckles are as secure as you need. I prefer no lining--just leather, but if your sub has sensitive skin and likes to struggle alot then maybe you need the softer lining for comfort.

The main thing is that the buckles need to have built-in hasps so you can put locks on them. (see example here (http://www.stockroom.com/g/j074.jpg)) I have these for both ankles and wrists and can be tied to whatever. Carabiners and quick-links are fine--just don't put them within reach of the sub's hands. Same goes for knots (if you're using rope).

Bondage is only fun for me if it's inescapeable. If I can find a way out, I will do it. My domme learned how to prevent that basically through trial-and-error.

[TheThinMan]

I disagree. Fur-lined leather cuffs with locking buckles are as secure as you need. I prefer no lining--just leather, but if your sub has sensitive skin and likes to struggle alot then maybe you need the softer lining for comfort.
I disagree, and from experience. Every time I've attempted to use a fur-lined pair of cuffs, Pet managed to slip out within five minutes no matter how tight I made them.

[subdude05]

ok iv done my expensive one,
so, if you like using clingfilm and tape, why not, place an raw egg in her palm and wrap clingfilm around and tape it into place, the climffilm is more to prevent messy sheets/floors etc..., The point being the raw egg should put her off struggling too much. It'll put me off. :bondage:

[TheThinMan]

I think I need some more basic information than that. Let's start simple: how do I tell how hard a pair of leather cuffs are to escape? Is wider better? Softer? Longer?

[steph_m_chick]

It turns out I'm quite an escape artist, too. It's almost impossible to tie my wrists together without me getting loose. Adding elbow bondage definitely increases the effectiveness (assuming sufficient flexibility). When it comes to leather cuffs, the three important factors are thickness of the leather (so it can't stretch), snugness of fit, and an effective lock. Any method of tying the wrists apart, rather than together, increases the security of your bondage.

[Ozme52]

It is always difficult to tie one's subject sufficiently tight without being injurously tight. If the subject insists on doing all s/he can to escape, it's almost impossible to tie them tight enough and not cause real damage.

[subdude05]

:bondage: Well if its proper restraints your after, i cant imagian those arm binders that go from the hands to elbow or sholder are good, some habe buckles all the way up and locks at the hands, find a good lether arm binder you should be laughing, expecialy if its one of thoes with straps that go over the sholders so it fits like a top with the sleeves strapped togther.

[Katmandu]

LOL, then, of course, there are always straight-jackets!

[Ozme52]

LOL, unless you can dislocate your sholder, like Houdini.

[orchid]

i agree with the St Andrews cross theory...while i have been known to escape a few of Masters bondage attempts myself, i have never been able to struggle free from the cross. He likes it because i am secured and he can still easily access anywhere He wants to. also, i have not been able to escape when He has me tied spread eagle to the bed posts...if He ties my wrists together, i can get out but if he ties them seperately and apart from each other, no matter how i struggle, i just can not get out...Yet!

[Sir_Russell]

good leather cuffs as described earlier with chain works. Use them though with thigh belts and waist belt, locking the cuffs from the wrist and ankles to the the thigh cuffs, small belts to go from the waist belt to the thigh cuffs and its very hard to escape.

A good hogtie with good leather cuffs and very short chain going from right wrist to left ankle and so on. This can be made harder still if you use a waist belt to hook both sets of wrist ankles too, which shorten her ability to move.

not sure that it will work for 3 hours with her being comfortable though. It maybe that she needs some discomfort to stop her from trying so hard to get loose.

[Kitten-Pi]

I am known to escape everything when restrained, the St andrews cross has been emntioned a couple times now. this baby works wonders on me and I am an expert at the art of escaping lol.
try it out. it doesn;t take much to make it, and if done right you can build it into your house like furnature and no one will know the wiser.

[Kitten-Pi]

double post, sorry

[Ilfyr]

Question from a newbie,

Why not tie the big toe(s) to either another object or to each other? Providing of course the hands are secured.

Any response if this is a good/bad/dangerous idea would be welcome.

[_ID_]

Couple ideas... Shackles, steel. Handcuffs. Unless her wrists are larger than her folded hand Then electrical tape her hands into fists, and then shackles. You can attach the shackle to a waist binder, so her wrists are at least 5 inches from the body, and will not rise above the elbow. a simple pipe at the wrists/waist area, shackled, and belted. also prison hobbles are good. Depending on her flexibility, and your desire for transporting her around the room or house, or wherever, if you feed your chain through pipe, and attach it to the wrists this will prevent her wrists from touching but keep mobility. If you want her imobile, curl the toes and force the feet into the extended position. Simple electrical tape should work. To keep the knee straight to prevent kneeling you could simply splint her knee front and back.

How you bind her really depends on your overall objective, and her consenting to some serious pain during it. Look up some of the midevil bondage devices.

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[The Wizard]

I have used a bath cloth around the wrist then a ziptie over it........when it's tightened down it pulls into the cloth but does'nt leave a mark on the wrists.

Another ziptie ran through the first one makes for a loop to attach a snap to......the snap is attached to a peice of rope,one for each corner of the bed.

Works the same on the ankles too........or for that matter loop a longer one around the bend of the knee.

Works great for spread eagle,face up or face down.

Never had an escapee yet.