Orgasm on Demand

[fantassy]

Please excuse my curiousity, but I've gotta know. Is it really possible for a submissive to be "trained" to the point that he/she will come upon demand. I understand how one could be trained not to come until given permission, but can the mind really reach the point that mere permission, without physical stimulation, will cause an orgasm? As you can probably tell, I lead a vanilla lifestyle, but I'm really intrigued by the dom/sub relationship.

Sassy

[Nikita]

Please excuse my curiousity, but I've gotta know. Is it really possible for a submissive to be "trained" to the point that he/she will come upon demand. I understand how one could be trained not to come until given permission, but can the mind really reach the point that mere permission, without physical stimulation, will cause an orgasm? As you can probably tell, I lead a vanilla lifestyle, but I'm really intrigued by the dom/sub relationship.

Sassy

This is a toughie and I can only speak for myself.

I'm a firm believer that sex occurs first in the mind, mental foreplay, all day long, all week long, or maybe an hour before play, but first in the mind.

If you can get wet or hard during this period of foreplay, being given the permission to cum is just a trigger response and physical stimulation is an afterthought.

The cum (for me) is not as intense as it is with physical stimulation, but the high before, during, and after, is so *looks dreamy intense, it is worth trying to get there. And that is the hook.

[Tojo]

Well I'll excuse your curiosity fantassy, that's what the place is for, unless I'm much mistaken.:wel

My theory is that no one could have an orgasm unless they were turned on enough to do so.
Just a theory mind you, but one of my favourite pastimes is teasing & teasing my susy, then (sometimes) giving her permission to go all the way.

I just can't see how it would be possible until the window of opportunity was open, so to speak, as in being turned on enough.

Tojo

[Brosco]

Look at it this way - everyone is different and needs different stimulation. Some females cannot cum without direct clit stimulation, but some can cum from just nipple play. If you can become aroused and wet from words alone, it would not take much 'practice' to also get you to also cum from words alone, and then it becomes a simple matter to make it 'cum on demand'.

I disagree with the previous poster about the 'quality'.

O-Control is my kink. Having taught someone to cum on demand, there are many variations that can be added. For example:

"Get on edge for me - but don't cum"

"Have a small O for me now"

"Have a big O for me now"

"Cum for me now, and don't stop - you will keep cumming until it hurts, and then even more"

And for the really cruel Master:
"Cum for me now" and the moment she starts: "STOP cumming immediately!!"
(Listening and watching her struggle now is amazing:) )

The 'quality' of these O's are very different to ones from masturbation or sex - they come from the mind and submission. To have another have control over a very private and personal body function is extremely powerful.

The above takes a close bond of love and trust. The sub doesn't 'make' any of these things happen - she opens her mind to allow the words/suggestions control her body.

With training and experience there is also the most wonderful experience - I call it the 'total body O'. With words and touch, it is possible to spread the arousal in the pussy through the whole body. Every part of the body feels the arousal building, tingling and need. When orgasm is eventually allowed, it is felt everywhere from the toes to the fingertips - and everywhere in between. :)

Altho I have had no experience in this area, it seems that it is less likely to train a male to cum-on-demand than a female. I find this strange because during pubity, it is the male that has wet dreams (hands-free) but the male seems to need a very definite physical stimulation later in life.

Brosco

PS: Please ask more if you wish. Its my favorite topic and I could talk all day:)

pps: Purely using O-control/cum-on=demand, I have managed to make a sub cum 30 times in 8 hours - yes, I counted.

[Brosco]

I think I know you from another forum :) good to see you:)

Sorry that I need to disagree with you, but cum-on-demand does not necessarily need any physical stimulation previously. In a D/s relationship, my sub was 'trying it on' with bratty behaviour. Of course, I had a number of options, but i used the "Cum for me immediately" and not only did she do so, but it was a wonderful tool to remind her who was in control of her mind and body.

[submissivewife]

Look at it this way - everyone is different and needs different stimulation. Some females cannot cum without direct clit stimulation, but some can cum from just nipple play. If you can become aroused and wet from words alone, it would not take much 'practice' to also get you to also cum from words alone, and then it becomes a simple matter to make it 'cum on demand'.

This is fun. My last Master started off with two weeks of mental preparation to introduce cumming from just a word. Then he would have me masturbate as I was talking to him on the phone and use a word a my permission word to orgasm. At first, I didn't know what was going on but once he explained to me what he was doing I loved it. First time he used the word outside of my masturbating I was shoked how my body reacted. Sometimes he would use the word over and over that would cause my orgasm to intensify, that was wonderful.

He'd call me at certain times of the day and just say the word, and no matter where I was I would cum. Mind you, like Nikita said, not like I would with physical contact but it was nice and perfectly embarrassing while walking around Wal-Mart.:rolleyes:

[Brosco]

Mind you, like Nikita said, not like I would with physical contact but it was nice and perfectly embarrassing while walking around Wal-Mart.:rolleyes:

sub'wife (if i may abbrev)

Of course its not the same - its apples and oranges, impossible to compare. One is physical, and the other is from the mind. But if it is the only chance you get to cum, it becomes a powerful part of your submission.

Brosco

(sorry, i warned you all ... its my fave topic:) )

[slb_b2000]

I believe that it is mindset for me. With my Dom, I can cum with His whisper in my ear!! It is the pleasure of being controlled and letting go!!

[submissivewife]

sub'wife (if i may abbrev)

Brosco

You may abbreviate.....most do anyway....so I have started to do the same. I just look at it as a new nickname; seems I have a lot of them lately. ;)

[Charisma1]

How interesting. I have fantasy upon fantasy about this, but I've never been sure that it can actually happen. I am very happy to read that others have experience in this and that maybe one day it can happen to me, too.

[Tojo]

I think I know you from another forum :) good to see you:)

Sorry that I need to disagree with you, but cum-on-demand does not necessarily need any physical stimulation previously. In a D/s relationship, my sub was 'trying it on' with bratty behaviour. Of course, I had a number of options, but i used the "Cum for me immediately" and not only did she do so, but it was a wonderful tool to remind her who was in control of her mind and body.


Feel free to disagree Brosco, whatever I say is only my opinion- I haunt these forums for material, & to sometimes try & give some back.

Life is a constant learning process.

(Hey I hope I was well-behaved in that other forum?)

Back to topic- when I said I believe someone has to be 'turned on' I don't mean just physically- I still believe someone would have to be in some sort of appropriate mindset. I certainly believe it's possible to be turned on by a word or even a look, instantly. I'd take some convincing that anyone can instantly orgasm when they're completely 'out of the loop' as it were.
I need proof guys!

Tojo

[Brosco]

Ah, ok, I understand you now.

I would agree that it would be impossible to make someone cum 100% of the time regardless of circumstances ... but in a 24/7 D/s relationship there would be very few exceptions.

And... LOL ... yes you seem well behaved elsewhere - I think it was at Gromet's site and I read a story by you in the forums.

[Ozme52]

I'm not sure about that... If you actually have enough access to a person, are willing to use certain brainwashing techniques, and spent enough time on the conditioning, I have no doubt you can build in the necessary physical responses to totally control a person's orgasmic response.

Lacking all that though.... isn't it fun trying.

...and isn't control what the D/s relationship is about? Orgasm control is just a subset of that control.


Charisma... if you're that interested, go looking in the personals... or write one yourself.

[VixeyandPhoenix]

Where is this tutorial on "Cum on Demand". I have a Sub here chomping at the bit...

[Nikita]

Where is this tutorial on "Cum on Demand". I have a Sub here chomping at the bit...

No tutorial that I know of. My top just make me practice. *smile* CD is a big help, too. I encourage you to read the whole thread and improvise. :bondage:

[poptart]

I don't know about others....But all my lord needs to do is to grab me from behind put his hand to my neck, give me a gentle squeeze to remind me of his crotroll and whisper in my ear to give him what is his.....This has sent me way or the edge more then once.

Poptart

[submissivewife]

I don't know about others....But all my lord needs to do is to grab me from behind put his hand to my neck, give me a gentle squeeze to remind me of his crotroll and whisper in my ear to give him what is his.....This has sent me way or the edge more then once.

Poptart

Just you discribing this almost had me over the edge......

[poptart]

Where is this tutorial on "Cum on Demand". I have a Sub here chomping at the bit...

This is how I was trained.....First start with, withholding her desire to cum, and when your ready to let her, tell her, but use the same words everytime, also a light squeeze to her neck or a pull of her hair while your telling her to cum. Or whatever physical singnal works for you and her, After awhile of that, then just grab her up one day out of no where and use the same words, same tone and same physical signal, It may take a some time but if she really associates those actions with cuming then she (hopefully) will do it when ever you demand her to.

My Lord wants to and has told me he will do this to me in the store sometime, Damn just the thought of it being so public turns me on....

poptart

[Ozme52]

Yep! Associative training.

There are a lot of ways to approach it. That works.

I like to add another step first. My approach involves training your sub to come often and easily, also with an associated tone or turn of words and physical contact. Then, proceed to orgasm denial, allowing release only with the necessary words and contact.

I find that to be especially effective.

[TheThinMan]

Yep! Associative training.

There are a lot of ways to approach it. That works.

I like to add another step first. My approach involves training your sub to come often and easily, also with an associated tone or turn of words and physical contact. Then, proceed to orgasm denial, allowing release only with the necessary words and contact.

I find that to be especially effective.Ahh. That may explain why I've been having so much trouble with this. Pet is one hard nut to crack, requiring manual stimulation until my hand starts to cramp before she climaxes.

[H Dean]

Ahh. That may explain why I've been having so much trouble with this. Pet is one hard nut to crack, requiring manual stimulation until my hand starts to cramp before she climaxes.Too many people try to make their girl cum by stimulating her themselves. Well, no one rubs you better than you. So, have your girl stimulate herself.

As has been suggested, not allowing them to climax until commanded is key. Make them suffer with the need and then, when they are about ready to burst, tell them to cum. Always use the same word/phrase. I always command my girl to "cum for me".

The interesting part of this is that, once they are trained in this manner, you can train them to cum to certain words. This can be particularly frustrating (for her) when a stranger or acquaintance speaks the word and your girl has a quiet (maybe) moment of embarrassing bliss. The trick with word association is to replace the word "cum" with the word "watermelon", or whatever fun word you use. When they need to cum they must ask "may I watermelon", which sounds stupid, at first. Eventually, it will work. I've noticed that those who resist the strongest tend to be those who are also most succeptable.

Dean

[Ozme52]

This may become a hot topic... we have a real difference of opinion, at least as to how to start. LOL

I agree with H. You should have her masterbate for you. A lot. But I suggest you demand that she come as fast as she can. When she does, praise and reward her as you would any pet for obeying. Make sure you begin that praise while she is in the midst of her orgasm and that you include your "command phrase."

Later, you can begin to exert control with denial. Then the association previously established between the orgasm and the command phrase will be all the more powerful.

[H Dean]

This may become a hot topic... we have a real difference of opinion, at least as to how to start. LOL
So we do. I have found that it doesn't really matter how fast she reaches that point. In fact, I tend to draw it out by making her stop when she does not want to. In all my experiences this heightens her sexual need. The pressure to reach that point can sometimes be of hinderance. Once she is accustomed to masturbating in front of you, to your voice and command, those orgasms will come in very short time spans.

In other words: don't rush her. Make her stop when it feels good. Make her beg to rub herself again. Then repeat. It's like washing hair only more fun.

[Ozme52]

I see the makings of a quasi-scientific experiment here. Hmmmm, we'd need several untrained ladies for each training method and a control group. LOL

I wonder how many volunteers we could get. :rolleyes:

[H Dean]

I see the makings of a quasi-scientific experiment here. Hmmmm, we'd need several untrained ladies for each training method and a control group. LOL

I wonder how many volunteers we could get. :rolleyes:
Hmm, there seems t be a crowd outside my door. See what you started?

[vistana]

Well, it's in the name of science.
Where do I sign up? :D

[fantassy]

I see the makings of a quasi-scientific experiment here. Hmmmm, we'd need several untrained ladies for each training method and a control group. LOL

I wonder how many volunteers we could get. :rolleyes:

Well, since I was the newbie who started this thread, first I want to thank you all for responding. Second, I feel it is my duty to participate in the experiment. Brosco has kindly volunteered to try his training method on me. Since this is my first non-vanilla experience, I should be a good test case. We'll be sure to post our results - all for the sake of science, of course :)

fantassy

[Ozme52]

Well, it's in the name of science.
Where do I sign up? :D


As it says under my avatar.... I'm taking applications. :rolleyes:

[Nikita]

Ok, I will share a few techniques that we use for orgasm on demand. It doesn't happen often. When it does, it is mind blowing and if you can multiple orgasm, oh WOW!

Dom should task with wanking assignments like this:

Wank in parking lot of department store until you almost come, then stop.
Wank in every room in the house until you almost come, then stop.
Wank for 15-20 minutes 4 or 5 times a day, then stop.

You get the idea. The sub should be in a constant state of arousal.

This should be supplemented by reading hot mails from dom, viewing porn, whatever else makes them hot and aroused.

Then, when play time comes, guess what? If they cum too fast, put them on the same regimen again. If they cum on command, mission accomplished.

Practice is encouraged. ;whip

[VixeyandPhoenix]

Sounds delicious!!!

[Brosco]

I agree with others that the training starts with lots of teasing and then a "cum for me now" when success is very certain. To get to the point that 'cum for me now' will work anytime, it takes a lot of positive reinforcement, by setting up the situation for success, but slowly reducing the physical stimulation required to achieve it.

Regardless of personal tastes, this is one exercise that will not be taught with negative reinforcement = as in, punishment for not cumming. Each time during the training, the 'cum for me now' should only be issued when there is a high chance of success, and a 'failure' should quickly be minimised as just practise to a goal, and not a failure at all.

There will always be a mental block ("this will never happen with me"), and it is removing that block that is the key to success.

Small things like: "mmhhh you are already wet and I haven't even touched you" reinforce that arousal doesn't need physical contact. If a person can get wet from words alone, it isn't a quantum leap to get even hornier from more words and thus, not a big leap to eventually cum just from words.

Small steps like this reinforce in the mind that its possible and remove the mental block - and it will happen. How long that takes will vary with every individual. It may be days, weeks, months or even years, but it will happen if there is a patience and a positive attitude. And lets face it - there is lots of fun along the way, so the end goal is not urgent.

Someone here mentioned replacing 'cum for me now' with a trigger word like 'watermelon'. This can be fun for some, but I prefer to stay with the standard phrase because its so much easier to then introduce variations.

For example, phrases like:

Watermelon Now! (ok, that would work...)
but, it will be tuffer to:
"have lots of watermelons now"
"have a small watermelon now"
"have a big watermelon now"
"STOP that watermelom"

Anyway, fantassy4u has agreed to try this with me. She has agreed to report back here as we achieve milestones along the way (assuming that others are interested to hear) - but regardless of the success we have, we will have lots of fun along the way - and to me, that is the whole point. :)

Brosco

[submissivewife]

Hell yeah, we're interested in hearing how this goes....PLEASE keeps us informed.

[fantassy]

Brosco has instructed me to give a report on our 0 on Demand training. He's been working with me now for a little over two weeks.

You have to realize he started from ground zero with me. I have never done anything in the BDSM realm before and have led a rather conservative life sexually never even had a multiple orgasm. When not in a relationship, I might have averaged 2 O's a week from self-pleasure, but many weeks I skipped entirely.

I agreed to give Brosco complete control of my O's - no O's or even sexual touching without his say-so. He began by keeping me in a state of arousal as much as possible. First thing each morning, he has me do an exercise for ten minutes designed to arouse my body and mind for him.
Throughout my work day, he sends me messages to keep me aroused and squirming and focused on his control.

The first week of nights was spent getting my body accustomed to orgasming regularly. As Brosco says, he would tease and arouse me until he was 99% sure I was ready to O and then command me to cum for him, which I was delighted to do after being so aroused.

The second week Brosco gradually extended the periods of teasing before allowing me to cum. About half way into this second week after over 2 1/2 hours of teasing followed by a great orgasm, Brosco surprised me by saying, no, you're not done yet, don't stop now, I want another O from you." Amazingly I began building again and within minutes and another O even better than the first and then he demanded a 3rd. It was fantastic - like 3 lovely hills of sensation - all his doing since I didn't even know I could do it.

The next night was a similar situation except when we got to the 3rd O, it just didn't stop, I had just ripples of one blending into another, it was out of this world - they just continued until Brosco ordered me to stop cumming and they immediately stopped even though I was still being stimulated.

Of course, after these experiences, I am thrilled to let Brosco own my O's since he is doing a far better job with them than I ever managed on my own. To my credit, or so Brosco says, even though I've led a vanilla life, I had two characteristics which he believes helped to to make good progress. 1. I am truly content to enjoy the process of arousal for its own sake, not just in order to reach an O. 2. I'm very strong-willed and will not allow myself to fail or break a rule. Anyway, that is probably way more than you all wanted to know, but that is my status report.

fantassy:)

[submissivewife]

This is great. Keep up the details. I hope to learn more from you.

[Brosco]

fantassy,
I think that for the 'enquiring minds that want to know' - nopers, that was not too much detail at all. I hope that we continue to have success together and have even more to report... and yes, in such detail :)

For any that are viewing this to perhaps try this for themselves, I thought that after fantassy reports any of our milestones, I would also add a few comments of my own, which I hope my be useful or at least of interest.

As you should realise that at this time the arousal is achieved with aids, not just voice, and that the aids are still in use when I eventually command 'cum for me'. At this stage we are building the strength not to cum, no matter how aroused and how much on edge, plus reinforcing that cumming is associated with my command to do so. So it is a milestone that fantassy achieved her first multiple O's, plus finally, real multiples O's that just ran into each other and continued. This was obviously not because of continued stimulation, because the multiples stopped immediately I commanded also.

Just before we achieved the first multiple we did have one 'failure' that was my fault. I had given the usual command and fantassy failed to cum, so she kept trying harder and harder to 'make' herself obey. (I am sure that many have experience being on edge, but the harder they try to cum, the more they frustrate themselves). I had failed to explain a vital element here. With the order 'cum for me', the subbie should not try to 'help' by trying to achieve it quickly. All the subbie should do is remove her will to resist an O, and now ALLOW an O to happen. If it happens immediately - GREAT - but if it takes some time for the mindset to switch, that is fine, but the subbie's job is purely to change her mindset from blocking an O to allowing an O - let the Dom (and the aids) actually make it happen. I hope I explained that reasonably clearly, please feel free to ask if I didn't.

Brosco

[Nikita]

Brosco that was an awesome afterpost. It was clearly written and I can say that we've played using a similar method.

The key phrase you used was All the subbie should do is remove her will to resist an O, and now ALLOW an O to happen.

Your subbie is lucky! :bondage:

[fantazmaster]

Intetresting series of posts on this subject of orgasm on demand.Here is the link to an article from a fellow who wrote an article on achieving this type of training with a female subject.An intetresting "how it is done" article,but also I
appreciate the various cautions and warnings supplied by the author.

http://domsubfriends.com/voye/articles/100/

[Brosco]

There is a major difference here between what fantassy and I are doing and what was described in that article. First and foremost, what we are doing is fully consensual. Second, not only do I describe to fantassy exactly what I am doing and how I am achieving it, I have also described here for others to see along with fantassy. There is nothing devious, no deception. Sure, I use positive reinforcement as a tool, but I also can joke with fantassy to also remind her exacctly what I am doing.

The article you posted is nothing to do with a couple consensually working towards a goal - it is about one abusing another. Yes ... what fantassy and I do together consensually is abuse if one sided. To me that article was about rape of the mind.

The warnings about how a person can be raped become useless when provided by someone that clearly will rape another.

Brosco

[novus56]

On the subject of orgasm on demand. This was such an interesting thread. But unless I missed it, all those with experience of it seemed to relate it to females. Anyone know if the principle is applicable to male submissives as well? Just curious. ::grin

[Aesop]

On the subject of orgasm on demand. This was such an interesting thread. But unless I missed it, all those with experience of it seemed to relate it to females. Anyone know if the principle is applicable to male submissives as well? Just curious. ::grin

Good question. Anybody out there want to try that experiment? :D

[Brosco]

Although I don't know any males this has worked with, but it seems to me that it should be possible. It is the male that goes thru puberty with (hands-free) wet dreams.

And altho I don't know anyone else that this has happened to, but in my early teens I had a really weird hands free experience.

At school when sitting for a final exam, I looked at the test paper and my mind went blank. The whole paper meant nothing to me and I didn't even have a thought of a single answer. I panicked!!!!! and came in my pants!! After I recovered I looked at the paper again and I was fine ... except for having to sit thru the test with sticky jocks and a wet patch I had to hide when I left the room :)

On a self-hypnosis site (warpmymind.com) there are trances that claim to be able to induce orgasms in males.

While O-on-command does not require hypnosis, it is a very similar approach. Both require the mind to be open to suggestion and neither will work for everyone.

Brosco

[Brosco]

I received an email from a member here asking how to achieve 'full body Orgasms'. Unfortunately his profile prevents any emails being sent to him, so I was unable to directly reply. I figured it was a good question and worth posting here anyway, and hopefully he will see it here.

First off, most things to do with O-control are in the mind. The subbie needs to be able to open her mind to suggestion. By this I mean there needs to be a trusting relationship which will allow her to listen to what is being said and not analyze, reject or try to make things happen. She should just listen to the words and allow whatever happens to happen. Obviously, without the trust, the mind places barriers to protect itself from outside influences, and none of this will work if the barriers are up.

Providing your subbie allows herself to be susceptible to suggestion, you will be able to give her a full body Orgasm in reallife, or even over the phone. Any physical actions I describe can be done by the Dom or the subbie, the truly important part is the voice that creates suggestions for her mind. Like hypnotism, the best voice is a soft soothing, almost monotone, that is easy for the mind to listen to, almost subconsciously. Exclamations and varied speech jar the mind to be alert and interrupt the mindset.

The first step is to have your subbie very aroused, as close to the edge as possible without actually cumming. Whether you use a vibrator, your hands, her hands, etc. is irrelevant - use whatever works best for her. Now, while keeping her very aroused, you use your (or her) free hand to lightly run the finger tips over her body. In your soothing voice, explain how the energy from her arousal is flowing through the body and coming out wherever the finger tips lightly caress. Get her to actually feel the arousal wherever she is touched. It is best to start with the inner thighs because during arousal they are extremely sensitive, and so it truly will feel like part of the arousal is being transferred there. The nipples and breasts are also obviously good early targets, but with your continued soothing suggestions to her mind, you will be able to venture to all parts of her body. Keep reinforcing all the areas you have touched and 'transferred' the arousal to. "I have already made your thighs feel the arousal, and then your breasts, and now we will also move it to your arms". Etc., etc.

This light touching should extend for at least 20 minutes, while still keeping her as close to on edge as possible. After this time her whole body will feel 'alive'. Remember to keep talking to her all the time - because of the sensations she is feeling she probably will not respond much - in fact, if she does reply to you in anything other than a dreamy sorta voice, it means she is concentrating too hard on your words and hasn't achieved the mindset where she just opens her mind to your suggestions

Instead of the usual 'cum for me now', I would suggest a command more like "I want your whole body to cum for me now".

With practice at this, you will be able to 'touch' all of her body with just your words. "feel my fingers lightly brushing your thigh, feel the energy of the arousal flow thru my fingers and spread all through your thigh"

Eventually, like with cum-on-demand it won't take the 20 minutes, you will just be able to say: "feel the arousal in all parts of your body... and have your body cum for me now"

And hey - if it doesn't work for you, I am sure you both will still have a lot of fun practicing and trying :)

Now let’s discuss what really happened.

When deeply aroused all of the body does become more sensitive - all that you are doing is making your subbie more aware of it. Normally, the excitement of being on edge is too much for the mind to deal with and it concentrates on just one place - you are teaching her mind to feel the rest of her body also. By directing her thoughts to the other parts being touched, you are making it easier for her to stay closer to the edge. Because she has stayed on edge so long, her orgasm will be much more powerful, and so even if she doesn't feel it elsewhere, she will still love what you did.

Finally, understand there is no magic or devious tricks here. Allow your subbie to also read this so she knows exactly what you are doing and trying to achieve. Her mind will be more open to the suggestions if there are no surprises in your words.

And - don't expect this to all work on your first attempt. It takes practice. And even if it never works, it will still be extremely enjoyable. O-control is not about failures - it’s about practicing at getting better :)

Brosco

[VixeyandPhoenix]

Nice addition!

[Brosco]

Nice addition!


thank you :)

I do hope that you will try some of the ideas, or at least variations that work for you both. I would be delighted to hear back from others that had at least marginal success with my suggestions :)

Brosco

[Brosco]

OK, I accept that my posts are not as exciting as what fantasy is describing about what she is experiencing, but for the next few weeks she is working on her finals, and although I steal whatever time she has available, she hardly needs more typing to add to her 'leisure'. So until she has more time available, I will report the successes we have, even with the limited time. fantassy promises to update and correct my posts as soon as the pressure is off her.

OK, first understand that we are still using toys to get her on edge, the toy of choice (by both) is the Jack Rabbit. For those that don't know it, do a google search, for those that do, you know how powerful it is. It can get even the most unresponsive female to O in minutes.

Well. fantasy loves her arousal and is able to hold back cumming, she has succeeded at a full non-stop being held on edge for 30 minutes with Jack running on high!

From previous reports you know that fantassy also achieved multiple O's from our play, but after having a couple of big ones and more arousal to keep them going.

This time, fantassy on my command, not only had an ernormous O but managed to keep it cumming and cumming on the first O. The first just rolled into one many that was just prolonged explosions. We didn't count them, fantassy was way to preoccupied and I couldn't tell when one started and another finished. But an O usually lasts about 10 seconds, and I can assure you that fantassy kept O'ing for minutes. I promise next time we do this, since I can't count the O's, I will time how long they keep continuing instead - purely for scientific data collection reasons :)

Now comes the slightly crueller side of the training to date. Having taken fantassy from a single O gal, to one that can hardly stop them continuing, I ordered her to cum, but just one BIG O, and not allowed any of these ongoing rippling O's.

In O control, the sub must not help to achieve the O, she must just open her mind to allow them to happen, but to stop them takes enormous physical and mental strength. She needs to really want to stop what her mind and her body is demanding, and to do so, she needs to clench every muscle in her body (its a fantastic workout program:) .

I think at the time fantassy was ready to kill me, she knew all these wonderful multiples were about to continue, but I denied her, she had to stop a pleasure that had taken control of her body and was already rippling thru her body.

fantassy had 1 big O and managed to stop more from cumming after just a couple of small ones snuck thru. It was a fantastic effort so I didn't punish fantasy for the extras she managed, but she knows she will be given more practice at this to just have the one, no matter how many are straining to get out :)

Brosco

[submissivewife]

I feel the poor girls frustration. First you encourage me to orgasm then you tell me to stop? poor thing. I know I wouldn't like that to well either. Talk about frustration.

This is all so facinating. I always look forward to the reports. Thanks you two.

[Brosco]

I feel the poor girls frustration. First you encourage me to orgasm then you tell me to stop? poor thing. I know I wouldn't like that to well either. Talk about frustration.

This is all so facinating. I always look forward to the reports. Thanks you two.

Very true sub'wife, but its not really being mean. Its about control that another wants you to have. lets face it, fantassy could have easily said "to hell with you.. I'm gonna cum all I like" and there is not a damn thing I could have done about it. But she is exploring this with me because she wants to experience that control, and if giving me control of something that was easy, what would that really do?

fantassy loves the challenge and gets a high from success, and while it may be a little strange to her at the moment, the high from a success can be right up there with the high she might have achieved from the O.

Brosco

[submissivewife]

Ohh I agree Brosco, just feel her frustration is all. I know when I get praise from Daddy, for something I have acheived or please him with, the high off that is really very wonderful.

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date.

[Brosco]

Damn. i forgot to turn on the stopwatch, but it was definitely minutes of O's:) A couple of times she almost stopped, but when I commanded her that I wanted more, her body reacted and provided what I wanted.

[submissivewife]

:rolleyes: Don't worry Brosco, sometimes watching can be occupying. Please, if you will, remember next time; or else:gun: .....LOL

[fantassy]

All I can say is they seemed to go on forever. Every time they were about to die down Brosco ordered them to keep going. It was exhausting, but good.

Fantassy

[submissivewife]

fantassy, its great to hear from you and your experiences. This has been great to read all that you have been learning. Hope to continue to learn more.

subwife

[Ozme52]

Damn. i forgot to turn on the stopwatch, but it was definitely minutes of O's:) A couple of times she almost stopped, but when I commanded her that I wanted more, her body reacted and provided what I wanted.


Damn Brosco... Now the experiment is ruined.... You're just gonna have to do that one again!!

[submissivewife]

Damn Brosco... Now the experiment is ruined.... You're just gonna have to do that one again!!

Poor fantasy....I'm sure she'll enjoy anyway. LOL

[perfectlittleslave]

I can hold themfor long periods but when given the command as hard as I try I can not do it right away. It usually takes a few seconds because of holding it so long. Is this a problem with other subs or what? My Dom is patient and is willing to teach but I am getting frustrated. Can anyone help in this?:pd

[Ozme52]

Brosco seems to be da man when it comes to answering that question... and the concensus opinion is that you become tense in anticipation of the command.

You need to be able to relax so that it can wash over you.

There are a number of techniques... and Brosco knows them all.

Oz whispers to self: why am I suddenly advertising for Brosco. LOL

[Brosco]

hiii perfectlilslave,

First let me preface this with that fantassy and I discussed your post and so this response is coming from both of us ... I am sure you understand that with her finals just 2 weeks away, she doesn't need too much extra typing so her Dom is being her secretary :)

First there is your initial statement that I did address in earlier posts:

but when given the command as hard as I try I can not do it right away

Don't try!!! Your job is purely to change your mindset from not cumming to allowing it to cum, do not try to make it happen, you have a big enough task with changing your mindset.

Fantasy made 2 points that sorta go hand in hand. First, when I do tease her and keep her on edge, it is not just for a few minutes, but will be at least 1/2 an hour and usually much more of constant arousal that she must fight, so when given the command, she is well and truly desperate to cum.

More importantly though, she explained how the really desperate edge comes in waves. Even though she would be happy to cum just about any time during the teasing, their are waves that are far more insistant than other times. During these 'waves' she needs to fight her hardest not to cum. I detect these waves by listening to her changing in breathing and hearing the 'whimpers' that come at this time. It is not that she isn't on edge at the other times, but its possible to detect when she is fighting the hardest. It is only during these peaks that I command her to cum, and so it takes very little for her to switch her mindset and cum (almost) immediately.

Even if these aren't the issues effecting you, please do not be frustrated. The harder you try to make this happen, the less likely it will happen. The command to 'cum for me' should mean no more than 'stop resisting' and just allow it to happen. This may take some practice, particularly if you have been doing this for a while, but with you relaxing and not helping, plus your Dom being able to pick one of those waves, you will have remarkable success :)

Brosco

[Brosco]

Brosco seems to be da man when it comes to answering that question... and the concensus opinion is that you become tense in anticipation of the command.

You need to be able to relax so that it can wash over you.

There are a number of techniques... and Brosco knows them all.

Oz whispers to self: why am I suddenly advertising for Brosco. LOL


<---- aaahhh geeee shucks, looks down and shuffles his feet and tries to hide a blush :)

Ozme: you answered it while I was typing my reply, I am just longwinded and like the sound of my own voice:)

Brosco

[Brosco]

Damn Brosco... Now the experiment is ruined.... You're just gonna have to do that one again!!

Yeah, and no one appreciates the hassles us Doms go through. Here I was already to start on giving her Nogasms, but have to stay at giving her Orgasms in the interest of scientific research :)

You may not believe this (well, I guess you would:) I actually downloaded a computer stopwatch program to be sure I got this right:) Tonight, apart from her pressures at college she was also a bit down from a virus - maybe the flu, so we were gentle:) She only managed 3.5mins of O's!!! I told her about the stopwatch and thought I would be laffed at for being a silly male, instead she insisted that she was sure it was double that last night!!! :)

Now lets see, the first Big O may be more than 10 seconds, but all those rippling multiples after that run into each other don't even last that long. You do the math, and I assure you fantassy aint complaining :)

Brosco

[submissivewife]

On the waves of finding it hard to cum, I noticed that when I am so ready and denied my orgasm, this only intensifies my need to orgasm. Is there an explaination for that?

I have always marveled, when denied, how much being told NO nearly sends me over the edge. So, am I crazy or what?

[fantassy]

<---- aaahhh geeee shucks, looks down and shuffles his feet and tries to hide a blush :)

Ozme: you answered it while I was typing my reply, I am just longwinded and like the sound of my own voice:)

Brosco


I really like the sound of your voice too, Brosco:)

fantassy

[fantassy]

hiii perfectlilslave,

First, when I do tease her and keep her on edge, it is not just for a few minutes, but will be at least 1/2 an hour and usually much more of constant arousal that she must fight, so when given the command, she is well and truly desperate to cum.

The command to 'cum for me' should mean no more than 'stop resisting' and just allow it to happen.

Brosco


The only things I might add to Brosco's post is that 1/2 is a HUGE underestimate of time of arousal. There is usually at least a 1/2 hour of gentle arousal followed by another 1/2 hour of what I like to call torturous arousal.

Second, and I'm not exactly sure how to describe this, but when he finally gives the command, my immediate mental response is to mentally scream the Hallelluhah Chorus. I guess what I'm saying is I let his words trigger an immediate mental release (basically, my mind starts to orgasm because it knows the body can soon orgasm) which in turn I think helps trigger the physical orgasm.

Hope that makes sense.

fantassy

[Ozme52]

I really like the sound of your voice too, Brosco:)

fantassy



"Too? Did I say anything about liking his voice? :gooday: LOL

[fantassy]

On the waves of finding it hard to cum, I noticed that when I am so ready and denied my orgasm, this only intensifies my need to orgasm. Is there an explaination for that?

I have always marveled, when denied, how much being told NO nearly sends me over the edge. So, am I crazy or what?


Don't you think that no matter how much you want to cum, you really are enjoying being on edge, and being told no means you're going to stay on edge that much longer and will have that enjoyment that much longer?

fantassy

[Brosco]

http://img37.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc193&image=66516_Os.JPG

[Ozme52]

LOL Brosco.

[submissivewife]

Don't you think that no matter how much you want to cum, you really are enjoying being on edge, and being told no means you're going to stay on edge that much longer and will have that enjoyment that much longer?

fantassy

I don't know what it is, but when told no I nearly fall over the edge or to make matters worse..."Don't you dare cum." Hell, first time my Daddy told me that I nearly lost my composure and orgasmed anyway.

Yes, that is fun, I love it when he does that to me.

[Evan_]

I have started two training regimen with my sub. Well, not really sub. I call her my pet, but she is my submissive, so don't take offense all.

The first is orgasm training. She is not allowed to fly completely solo any more. She may play to orgasm with me in chat or on the phone, and she may be with her husband at her own (and his own) discertion, but she is no longer allowed to fall off that edge by herself at all. When I am with her, she tells me when she is close and asks permission to come. I haven't denied her (yet) but I have made her wait, and am working on getting her to come on command. She's doing very well so far. Once or twice we have played "quick O" where I put a stop watch on her from the moment her hand touches herself to the time she goes over. ;-) She's learning very well.

I am also introducing other trainings and games for us to play that serve several purposes. Some give her a chance to please me, some give her skills that will be useful later (knot tying, for example, but in another post). When she is mouthy or a little "too" funny, I punish her by making her hold a pencil or pen in her mouth like a bit. At first she had a huge gag factor, but she is learning to control it, and after our last session, she even thanked me for the opportunity to grow and learn. :) Aw man, is she good to have.

Point being, O-training is part of our relationship. Not sure where it will go but I'm willing to see how far it will take us.

[Brosco]

Point being, O-training is part of our relationship. Not sure where it will go but I'm willing to see how far it will take us.

I agree with you entirely. Everyone is different, so how much can be achieved or how long it takes is of little consequence to me. Have fun along the way and thats all that matters. Putting pressure to achieve a goal like o-on-command in a certain time would probably be the best way of assuring it wouldn't happen. I think I also stated elsewhere, its not a training that can be achieved with negative re-inforcement It is definitely one that relies on lots of positive reinforcement.

Brosco

[Brosco]

OK, I'm gonna be in trouble for this post, I 'promised' (my fingers were crossed behind my back at the time:) fantassy that I wouldn't tell ya all about this. OK... I'll tell ya, then tell ya why she wants it a secret :)

10 minutes of O's tonite!!!!! non-stop just cumming and cumming and cumming. 10 minutes!!!!! wow.... why shouldn't I gloat? :)

Now, why should she want to keep this quiet? (lol... she wasn't very quiet for those 10 mins, let me tell ya:). I think maybe that fantassy might be becoming just a lil possessive... lol.. not about me so much... but the O's she is getting, and if I post here about 10 minute non-stop O's there is prolly a couple of subbies around that would like part of the action :)

Well fantassy has my full and undivided attention. In the words of Rocky Horror - "I just love success" :) And there is a reason that we have this success - it is not my prowess - it is simply that fantassy and I obviously have a connection that allows this to happen even when we have limited time with her busy study and work schedule.

fantassy's summer break is just a few weeks away, and with all that extra time my mind boggles with what we might achieve - but really I don't care if we achieve more or not. It is the connection that is achieving all - not fantassy, not me - but the 2 of us just seem to jell to allow it to happen - and I guess that is the key to achieving anything in a relationship.

Brosco

[submissivewife]

WOW, this is great. I love the updates, and Fantassy you are lucky. Continue to enjoy...we love the reports (well I most definitely do anyway).

[Silke]

WOW, this is great. I love the updates, and Fantassy you are lucky. Continue to enjoy...we love the reports (well I most definitely do anyway).

lol, so do I...this thread is what had me glued to the forums in the first place! And, yeah, I admit I'm just a tiny bit jealous...;)

Looking forward to the summer break update...

Silke

[fantassy]

OK, I'm gonna be in trouble for this post, I 'promised' (my fingers were crossed behind my back at the time:) fantassy that I wouldn't tell ya all about this. OK... I'll tell ya, then tell ya why she wants it a secret :)

10 minutes of O's tonite!!!!! non-stop just cumming and cumming and cumming. 10 minutes!!!!! wow.... why shouldn't I gloat? :)

Brosco

somebody's going to take that stopwatch away from you, Brosco! Surely I can find somebody in Oz to do the job for me. Gloating isn't an attractive look.

By the way, I notice you didn't tell these fine ladies about the hours of torture you put me through the night before (what was it about 3 or 4 ?).

fantassy

[Brosco]

somebody's going to take that stopwatch away from you, Brosco! Surely I can find somebody in Oz to do the job for me. Gloating isn't an attractive look.

By the way, I notice you didn't tell these fine ladies about the hours of torture you put me through the night before (what was it about 3 or 4 ?).

fantassy

LOL ... maybe I should get the stopwatch out for the teasing sessions - just to give a balanced report of course :)

BTW, as I have mentioned before, the Jack Rabbit vibe is definitely the best toy around for teasing and I recommend it to anyone. I would also recommend it for any females who have difficulty in cumming, I know a few girls that it has really helped.

One bit of warning though, for those that use Jack for teasing. Jack is truly designed to make someone cum fairly quickly and so with a long teasing session and the resulting clamping of the muscles on the vibe, the batteries can overheat and reduce its effectiveness. I suggest that you have 2 Jacks or at least a supply of fresh batteries very handy.

And given that fantassy needs lots of fresh batteries and is constantly horny, we were thinking of changing her nick to EverreadyGal - do you think that would suit her? :)

Brosco

[submissivewife]

OH my...this just get more and more interesting. (Eyes glued to this thread)

[fantassy]

And given that fantassy needs lots of fresh batteries and is constantly horny, we were thinking of changing her nick to EverreadyGal - do you think that would suit her? :)

Brosco

If we don't change the name, I'm at least going to buy stock in the company . . lol

fantassy aka Everready Gal

[Ozme52]

I'll bet she uses a pink jackrabbit vibrator..... lucky rabbit.

[fantassy]

I'll bet she uses a pink jackrabbit vibrator..... lucky rabbit.

The man behind the green curtain knows all . . . lol. I do indeed have a pink jackrabbit, but he's a backup. My original and fav was called a "lickin lizard." Unfortunately, the poor thing has been so overworked since Brosco got a hold of me, its overheating.

fantassy aka everready gal

[seababy]

The man behind the green curtain knows all . . . lol. I do indeed have a pink jackrabbit, but he's a backup. My original and fav was called a "lickin lizard." Unfortunately, the poor thing has been so overworked since Brosco got a hold of me, its overheating.

fantassy aka everready gal

I love this thread its such a turn on! :)

On the subject of overheating, my first Dom (well really a friend that was topping me) insisted I go out and buy my first vibe. It burnt out in 3 weeks!! Buying it was ambarrassing enough ..going back and explaining umm...I KILLED the rabbit was so ambarrassing I actually went into laugh mode (so did the sexshop sales assistant who was lovely) Imagine my relief when I was told that it wasnt "overuse" but me using alkaline batteries that had killed it dead. Fantassy if its overheating check what batteries it can take.

Anyway back to the subject of this thread... O control. Keep going guys Im reading with alot of interest.

[submissivewife]

I love this thread its such a turn on! :)

On the subject of overheating, my first Dom (well really a friend that was topping me) insisted I go out and buy my first vibe. It burnt out in 3 weeks!! Buying it was ambarrassing enough ..going back and explaining umm...I KILLED the rabbit was so ambarrassing I actually went into laugh mode (so did the sexshop sales assistant who was lovely) Imagine my relief when I was told that it wasnt "overuse" but me using alkaline batteries that had killed it dead. Fantassy if its overheating check what batteries it can take.

Anyway back to the subject of this thread... O control. Keep going guys Im reading with alot of interest.

Better go and make sure mine have the proper batteries...don't want mine to burnout either.....:p

[fantassy]

Imagine my relief when I was told that it wasnt "overuse" but me using alkaline batteries that had killed it dead. Fantassy if its overheating check what batteries it can take.

Anyway back to the subject of this thread... O control. Keep going guys Im reading with alot of interest.

Thanks for the positive feedback, Seababy, and for the advice. I'll give a different type of battery a try.

Didn't there used to be a saying way back when which meant you were pregnant when "the rabbit died"? Or am I imagining things?

Fantassy

[Ozme52]

The man behind the green curtain knows all . . . lol. I do indeed have a pink jackrabbit, but he's a backup. My original and fav was called a "lickin lizard." Unfortunately, the poor thing has been so overworked since Brosco got a hold of me, its overheating.

fantassy aka everready gal

:11:

[Brosco]

It is wonderful to see more people chiming into this thread. Yes, I understand it is not everyone's kink, but for those that do, Everreadygal (fantassy) and I get a lot of pleasure from knowing we have an audience that appreciates our posts. ooooohhh, we will continue to enjoy our fun regardless, but... uuummmm ... letting out secrets now, EverreadyGal also gets a bit of a kick from this 'semi-public exposure'.

Lets face it, she allows me to contol her O's (and even her vibe settings) from 12,000 miles away - not really something you can easily explain to another.

So to the others out there that are enjoying this thread, please add a comment, a question, a suggestion (hey, we don't know it all) - or just your own thoughts. Seriously, we both enjoy the feedback :) Every post encourages us to post more :)

Brosco

[Ozme52]

Thanks for the positive feedback, Seababy, and for the advice. I'll give a different type of battery a try.

Didn't there used to be a saying way back when which meant you were pregnant when "the rabbit died"? Or am I imagining things?

Fantassy

Yep. They used to inject female urine into a doe rabbit's bloodstream to see if it affected the ovaries. If "pregnancy hormones" were present, the rabbit's ovaries were visibly changed.

Now, even though "the rabbit died" meant the woman was pregnant, in fact, all of the rabbits died, whether the woman was pregnant or not because the inspection of the ovaries was visual.

[Brosco]

17 minutes tonite... well, to be honest, that isn't strictly true, a couple of times fantassy started to slow down and needed a minute to build up again to a real O and start the ripple running again.

But that wasn't the real 'breakthru' that I am reporting. I am sure that you all have noticed how fantassy complains (yeah.. right!!!) about the hours of torture she endured to achieve our previous successes. Tonight there wasn't hours, just 10 minutes of pleasant arousal, followed by only 10 minutes of struggling before we had our success.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that we are getting closer to the goal - arousal and edging is being dimished, but the strength and number of O's is still increasing. Eventually, when I desire, there will be non-stop O's without the slightest of arousal.

Brosco

[submissivewife]

Lucky Gal!

[fantassy]

Now, even though "the rabbit died" meant the woman was pregnant, in fact, all of the rabbits died, whether the woman was pregnant or not because the inspection of the ovaries was visual.

Thank you Ozme. Nice to know I wasn't imagining things:)

fantassy

P.S. See, you do indeed know all.

[fantassy]

Tonight there wasn't hours, just 10 minutes of pleasant arousal, followed by only 10 minutes of struggling before we had our success.

Eventually, when I desire, there will be non-stop O's without the slightest of arousal.

Brosco


Ok, once again, Brosco leaves out parts. He omits that I hadn't cum for 3 days prior to last night since he was offline. He also omits that I was horny as all get out for those 3 days because of stuff he had me do while he was gone, including having a vibrating egg in me whenever I worked on a project for work (which took about 9 hours spread over the 3 days). Last but not least, I was at least 2 sheets to the wind last night since I had been out drinking marguarita's.

Just want to be sure all the facts are included here ;-)

fantassy

[KermitsKeeper]

Master Evan and I began some training in this area... He is taking a break now to study for a major exam, but it appears the training is taking hold. When I am with my vanilla husband and can't get into it, I imagine asking Master for release, being told not yet, and me begging for it. When I imagine him saying yes, over I go!

[orchid]

Eventually, when I desire, there will be non-stop O's without the slightest of arousal.

WOW! the thought of this alone is almost enough to send me over the edge!

While my Master and i have not had the success you have had so far, we are indeed having a wonderful time trying. He always commands me to cum for Him when He knows i am getting close and this is always that extra little push i need to start an orgasm.

We have not worked on anything further than that as of yet but i do have to say that i think it would be oh-so-fun to be able to achieve this and have Him order me to orgasm at various different times...grocery store line up, in the movie theatre, while at my desk at work...mmmmm...i think i will have to speak with Him about this again!!

Brosco and Everr..err, i mean fantassy..please keep up the posts - i am enjoying them tremendously and learning a lot as well!

[fantassy]

Thought I'd let you all know, Brosco and I have reached some additional milestones in our experiment. Hard for me to explain (I much better at analyzing an argument than describing feelings.), but I'll give it my best shot.

It can be best summarized as my having removed another barrier to Brosco's control of my O's. I basically feel I removed one more of those layers inside my head that was basically censoring and evaluating what he was doing before my mind agreed to comply. In legal terms, I guess I'd say the presumption in my head has shifted, so that I am presuming I will comply without thought. As a result, I was able to stop a single O on command as soon as it started, and B has been able to control whether I have single vs. multiple O's.

As to why this has occurred . . . perhaps time, perhaps the fact that we've had our first big fight - not really sure.

Just thought I would try to continue the thread, even though the pigheaded, hot-tempered, old fool (his words, not mine, but they are appropriate) got himself banned from the forum.

You may be amused to know that Brosco is getting to experience a bit of O-control himself as punishment for being a pigheaded, hot-tempered, old fool who broke his word to me. I have gotten 2 days of guaranteed O's while he is getting 5 days without any O's himself.

fantassy

(by the way, yes, Brosco knows I am reporting all this to you)

[submissivewife]

fantassy, This is great. Although, we do miss Brosco, I think your spin on this is well....amusing. NO insult intended. Not only has he been banned as punishment his subbie dishes out one too. This is the first I have ever seen a dom being "punished". Learn something new every day.

[Ozme52]

fantassy, This is great. Although, we do miss Brosco, I think your spin on this is well....amusing. NO insult intended. Not only has he been banned as punishment his subbie dishes out one too. This is the first I have ever seen a dom being "punished". Learn something new every day.


I'm not sure I saw fantassy say that exactly.

Shows you how much subwife still has to learn. LOL, Don't you know, us dom's are so much into punishment, sometimes we even have to punish ourselves.

If I know Brosco, I'd almost be willing to bet it was his idea... almost.

[fantassy]

I'm not sure I saw fantassy say that exactly.

Shows you how much subwife still has to learn. LOL, Don't you know, us dom's are so much into punishment, sometimes we even have to punish ourselves.

If I know Brosco, I'd almost be willing to bet it was his idea... almost.

Yet again, Oz, you do indeed know all. Some of you may recall, one of Brosco's theories is that punishment allows a couple to put an infraction behind them. Thus I merely asked if he wanted me to be able to continue to bring up this issue or if he preferred punishment. He picked the punishment and set the terms himself.

fantassy

But you're probably right, Sub'wife, I'm not the most submissive of submissives in most things. Fortunately, although he may be pigheaded in the forum, Brosco is endlessly patient with and even appreciative of my fiestiness.

[Ozme52]

Yesssss! Damn I'm good. LOL

[fantassy]

It's been a while, but I felt like sharing my general state of happiness and updating our O control progress. Although we have not yet acheived our ultimate goal of cum on demand without any physical stimulation, Brosco has achieved a high level of control over my O's. In addition to not cumming until he gives permission no matter how much teasing and stimulation I receive, I consistently O on command (provided I am receiving physical stimulation). Moreover, Brosco is able to command the size of the O (big O, little O), number/type of O's (1 small O, a series of big O's, 1 big O followed by rippling O's), the duration (he can stop an O in the middle, or keep multiple O's going for minutes on end until he says to stop), and can bring forth O's when I think I'm already O'd out. Needless to say, we are have a delightful time with our experiment (although I have to say, stopping a big O almost as soon as it starts is NOT a pleasant experience).

I wondered if anyone else is experimenting in this area, and how it is going.

fantassy

By the way, did I share how happy I am?:)

[submissivewife]

Thanks Fantassy for continuing to share with us. I do enjoy reading about your progress, and hope to continue doing so. Thank you for sharing!

[Silke]

Hey fantassy...how wonderful that you keep this thread alive and share your experiences so freely. It's still one of the most exciting threads to follow. :)

You were asking whether anyone else was experimenting with this...well, my Master and I have looked into this for a bit, but under different circumstances. We're just online - the typing kind of online - and I believe that might not be quite as fast or intense as what you and Brosco are doing. It's still been a wonderful experience so far and I wouldn't want to miss it for the life of me. *grins*

The way we've been playing is through masturbation on an auditory cue - damn, that sound gets me going alright by now - and then attempting to cum on command through a typed command. As I said before...it's a much slower medium and I'd much prefer actually hearing him...but we've been getting closer and closer to cumming on command step by step. It's genuinely happened once so far (*grins* and what a beauty this one was), and the rest of the time I'm managing to reach my peak pretty close to the command but not necessarily on it.

I guess what makes it a lot more difficult is that it's harder for him to judge how close I am to cumming by just reading my comments, and therefore he sometimes might be just a tad too early. OR, as Brosco said when he was still around...it really might be a question of switching from denial/teasing to allowing myself to cum. I've noticed that this switch is not always an easy one for me to make. I'm usually actively trying to force an orgasm instead of taking myself back and allowing things to happen...and the one time it worked on cue it really sneaked up on me. lol

Anyway - whatever comes out of this training...it's SO much FUN! And I'll gladly continue trying (or letting go for that matter ;) ) regardless of whether we finally get there or not. :D

Hope to hear more of your success stories....or challenges. You're an inspiration! *smiles*

Silke

[fantassy]

Thanks for sharing Silke. It must be incredibly hard to do this merely through typing. I would never be able to describe my feelings accurately enough for him to be able to judge if he couldn't hear me. Moreover, it must be incredibly hard for you to have to divide your attention between typing, reading and feeling. No wonder you have trouble just relaxing and letting it happen - you've had so many things to do ! I have the luxury of being able to lay back and just focus on that cute Aussie voice through the headphones and feel. For me it's very important to be able to turn my brain off, go into subbie mode and just do as instructed. Brosco calls it giving me a mind-cleaning, lol. Once we're in the midst of playing, I basically go pre-verbal - managing only moans, groans, gasps, whimpers, aha, uh a, and the occasional yes sir, no sir.

Lest you wonder about the speed of our progress - we're both single and have quite a bit of time on our hands right now, so we spend hours talking each day/night.

And you're right, who really cares if we ever achieve the ultimate goal, we are having SO much fun in the trying.:bdsmsmile

fantassy

[Dominic8]

I believe it is possible for a submissive to reach an orgasm on demand with proper training. Please do not take this the wrong way, but it is known that in the food processing business animals are trained when to eat and when to sleep just by turning on and off the lights. It is also known that the same thing can be used to put fear in someones mind. Ring a bell and follow it with an electric shock. Eventually when the bell is rung fear follows. Apply this same principle to having sex or being stimulated and eventually it becomes a habit. For instance a certain sound or music could be followed by having sex...eventually...play the sound or song and U would become excited... Let me know what U think..:rose:

[fantassy]

I agree. Should work just like Pavlov's dog.

Aarf. Aarf. Hmm, maybe those students who called me a bitch behind my back were more accurate than they knew . . .

fantassy

[Silke]

Hey - :wel to the forums Dominic8! And yes...I agree, it's all basic conditioning and that's pretty much the same principle as in training animals, too.

lol, I wonder whether my neighbour's dogs were having as much fun as we're having here...well, it did wag its tail so...oh never mind, *giggles*

[fantassy]

Hey Silke,

I was discussing your post with Brosco and he suggested your dom record a message/command for you, which you could either replay on his signal or at least hear in your head when he texts you. Just thought I'd pass the suggestion along.:)

fantassy

[Silke]

Thanks, fantassy - that's a wonderful suggestion! lol, I'll just do the same thing you did...pass the message on and see what he thinks of it. *grins* I'd love to hear his voice actually...;)

Thank you again for the idea, fantassy, please pass that on to Brosco as well. It's good to know he's still following what's going on in this thread through you...after all that I've seen happening between the two of you I can't help but think of him as the long distance orgasm king. *giggles*

[Gr1m'sGirl]

I see the makings of a quasi-scientific experiment here. Hmmmm, we'd need several untrained ladies for each training method and a control group. LOL

I wonder how many volunteers we could get. :rolleyes:


Ooh! Pick me! :D Hehe.

[Violenteer]

This thread has been highly enlightening.

I would like to add a small piece about the relationship I am in. Myself and sub fell into our relationship with a ridiculous ease. The very first time we met there was a definate dominant and submissive play off between us.

I started baby doll out on a fairly rigorous routine of CD, followed by the extremes of cum saturation. Mostly days or half days of each. I was blessed that I had a contract which had just completed and as such had a stack of spare time on my hands to devote to baby doll. Although probably not having reached Broscos leavel of control as in the size and intensity of the 'O', I can definately say that baby doll can cum on rough skin contact, and the words: Cum Now.

This results in one 'O', but 3 'O's can be achieved through this method by repeating the command. I add, hair pulling, hand around the neck and/or a slap.

Looking forward to extending the repetoir to encreasing intensity. To simply being able to use the word only. And of course, to being able to stop her mid-orgasm!

[Ozme52]

Excellent.

[fantassy]

It's great to see someone posting in this thread again! Congratulations on your success! As far as stopping mid-orgasm, in my experience, that mostly requires effort from your sub. When cumming, I mostly try to relax and just let my body respond to Brosco's command, but when I have to stop mid-orgasm, I have to use all my mental and physical efforts to obey. When Brosco gives me a good workout in O-control, muscles all over my body end up sore the next day from clenching to stop the O's.