Close to authetic rape / torture scenes.

[Vanquish]

Hi guys, just wanted to get some input here, i'm sure some of you are going to be thinking - yeah.... Vanquish... what are you smoking / that's not how it works but whatever.

I'm fairly experienced in terms of bondage and general bdsm. I'm also young, horny and adventerous. Sadly i was also raised with a fairly strong sense of right and wrong (pesky morals, uck.)

Lately i've been toying with the idea of an autehtic rape scene. Well authetic isn't quite the right work, because there's no way it can be completely so without being actual rape (which is totally wrong).

My question for tops is: What has been your experience here? What can be done to make the scene more realistic / take away control? Really the more unknowns intorduced to the sub will help feed the scene right?

To bottoms: Where should the line between awesome adventure and just plain dangerous and likely to get you killed be drawn? Would it be possible for such scene to be setup and be safe - without actually ever meeting with the dom who would do this? What are possible scenarios for acheiving this?


Any feedback for these questions or others i havn't thought of would be mega-cool.

[_ID_]

For the submissive it could be arranged, if she were to know the one arranging it was going to be present.

From my POV as a potential Victimizer, if the victim's partner were to contact me, and arrange the situation. I would take any information about the victim that I could gather. To ensure safety, would insist that the person arranging it were to be present, with or without the knowledge of the victim. Thus achieving the element of unknown as the 'Rapist'. I would also need some sort of verifiable poof that the 'victim' had consented to the overall situation. Video being the most reliable form I can think of.

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[TomOfSweden]

That question is fucked. If it's someone you've never met then safety isn't guaranteed.

I've had several gf's who've been into "rape". You see it in their eyes if you're doing it right. Hornier=good, anything else = bad.

I would never do a rape scene with someone I didn't know well. For one, I could potentially get arrested afterwords. Some girls are C-R-A-Z-Y. I almost was once but that was a way more complicated situation than just the sex and involving her boyfriend.

How do you define authentic? The girl not taking pleasure? Any consensual sex needs both parties to get something from the sex. I think you need to do more thinking on what exactly it is you want.

[Ozme52]

It depends on the sub's regular dom and there level of power exchange and trust.

I'd want something "contractual" an signed by both... something on the order of "...will provide a fantasy adventure... safety assured... etc" Actually, a video clip would also prove to me who the 'victim' is to be.

The point being the sub won't realize what kind of fantasy is involved... nor the timeframe. I'm actually in early negotiations with a local dom for some kind of scene... this being one of the alternatives.

Tom, your point is well taken... but there are ways to meet and still provide an authentic seeming experience. Afterall, if she's been told her dom is "leasing" her services out and then I, hooded and "anonymous," tell her she's been "sold" for the evening and she has no idea what the scene is going to be... I guarantee I can make it as close to real as SSC can get.

[Talia]

Oh my....this is one of those topics I love to explore but too chicken to try. Master and I have played rape scenes before. I had lots of fun... But I think there is an element missing from this scene that an arranged, consentual scene might create. Real fear.....Ours was I knew when, where, what, why..etc..

I do think a real scene can be had with someone you know..hell most rapes ARE date rapes (meaning you know your attacher). I do beleive with the element of surprise, circumstances, and situations that the fear, struggle, and fight can be authentic. It just depends upon the two "playing/scening".

If, however, Master were to have someone else do the "raping", I do beleive I would rather meet the person first...then in some future time maybe the scene. It would mean a lot of faith in Master that he would stop the scene if things were to go to far..and two, trust in a stranger. Not something, that likely from me...

Lots of planning and communication I think. Lots and lots of planning....

[wolfs_lilgirl]

i dunno much about that but good luck!

[rce]

I had to vote no. My reason is I am strictly monogamous. I cannot understand the wish to share one's partner with anybody else. I know some people wish for that, and if it suits them as consenting adults it is fine by me, but I am happy in my relationship.

Except for that, I agree with Tom of Sweden.

[orchid]

i think that it would, as almost anything else in this lifestyle, depend on individual desires and agreements.

i would consider this under carefully laid out agreements - Master would have to choose the rapist and i would have to know who he had chosen if for no other reason than to know it was not a real rape when it happened.

part of that could also lend authenticity in the date rape scenario.

of course, there is so much more to it than that but basically, if i had agreed to it and Master had chosen someone he trusted to carry it out, then i think it could work.

i do agree fully with the comments that communication and planning are key.

just my 2 cents

respectfully,
orchid

[Vanquish]

Thanks guys,

This is the feedback i was looking forward too :)


i think that it would, as almost anything else in this lifestyle, depend on individual desires and agreements.

i would consider this under carefully laid out agreements - Master would have to choose the rapist and i would have to know who he had chosen if for no other reason than to know it was not a real rape when it happened.

part of that could also lend authenticity in the date rape scenario.

of course, there is so much more to it than that but basically, if i had agreed to it and Master had chosen someone he trusted to carry it out, then i think it could work.

i do agree fully with the comments that communication and planning are key.

just my 2 cents

respectfully,
orchid

[DrkRvn]

It is a hypothetical so the hows and whys are not super important. I think it would be an interesting rush to do something like that... if it was a set up situation by a Dom/me then provided the trust is really there and strong enough i see no reason not to submit to their wish.

[Hime]

Oh, no way.
If my partner wanted someone else to play with me a little, with him supervising, that would be one thing... but that kind of scene sounds like something that I would only remotely consider with someone I trusted very deeply.

[Miraculix]

Where is Chris Hansen?

[ElectricBadger]

Mmm...in the hypothetical, conceptual situation, sure, it would be a blast. As mentioned, though, it could never be gauranteed, so it ends as a fantasty. Nice one though.