TS Torture & rape story

Why has there never been a serious torture, rape and humiliation story with a shemale as the victim? I would be grateful if any creative nasty and ruthless author out there would provide one or more of these.

A little about me. I'm tall, slender and shapely. 29YO. Hormone grown B-cup breasts that i believe are far pretteier than any bio women could hope for. Unbelievable legs. 25 inch waist, I'm worried a little about my but though. Five years of hormone therapy has made it a bit fatter and feminine than I would prefer.I'm brilliant, obnoxious and conceited and generally treat bio folks like inferiors. I wish I could find people who could bring me down a few notches.

To tell the truth, I thought there´s plenty of stuff like you suggested around already. Serious humilation ´n rape. And torture too. Depends on your point of view though.

I refuse to write or keep stories like that because I believe in consensual bdsm. Even though I see myself as a strong character I can´t and won´t tolerate stuff like that. I´m may be aroused by it sometimes but get sick if I give it a second thought.

But I can recommend you a story which is published as both,
book and Comic in Europe (don´t know about the US) if you really get going by stuff like that.

"Marie Gabrielle de Saint Eutrope"

She´s suffering greatly of humilation, torture and rape during a ten year stay in a catholic convent. The story takes part in 18th century france.

A personal question: Are you a male or female undergoing this hormonell treatment? And what for? Just to look better?
I´m just curious. Physical alteration in any form is highly interresting to me.

Thanks for the reply BBwolf. How disappointing this forum is.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that most people aren't willing to talk about BDSM. Sad.
I disagree with your assertion that this format I've requested already exists.
Check the stories here. Not a single quality story with a transsexual or shemale as victim. The stories to be found elsewhere are all about men being "forced" to be feminine. That was nice when I was 14 and struggling with my identity.But as I go to work everyday in skirts, heels and pantyhose, have changed my name as well as my "sex" on all my legal documents, and did so because it better represents who I am, these tales just don't cut it for me anymore. They're for men who haven't came to terms with their fetishistic crodssdressing, not for genuine transsexuals. I've also seen many stories about submissive men who "get it" from a hung shemale. I can't say I get these. The hormone therapy, when done right, not only provide secondary female characteristics, (breasts, hips, facial fullness, soft skin, etc,)
but also, in my case certainly, cause one to lose the ability to function as "males".
As for your your question about about being male or female...
Where have you been the past 15 years?
Sorry, I'm not trying to be smart here, but I am neither of the above. See Judith Butler's "Gender Trouble". I don't believe in the gender binary. Many cultures throughout history did not force people into one or the other boxes. American Indians are a prime example. If you're interested in this, check out Leslie Feinberg's "Transgender Warriors". People like myself have existed throughout history.
I was raised as male but have lived full-time as female for most of my adult life. Being I get flirted with constantly by straight men and even the occasional lesbian, I can safely say that socially, I am not male. Intellectually and spiritually I also believe I am female. Biologically, well, I wasn't born with all the right parts. Hmmm, or maybe I was just born into the wrong culture. When pressed for a label, I identify as a male to female transsexual. However, It's not safe to identify publicly this way.
Men tend to be very sexually insecure. Thus it's not a good idea to let them know the woman they've been hittting on has a penis.
Some lesbians don't take kindly to this either though a few haven't minded. I am pansexual. I'm generally attracted to females or other transexuals, both mtf as well as ftm, but my bdsm fantasies often contain men.
I really get off best (I do orgasm, but not like either a man or woman) when my fantasy being fullfilled is non-consensual,. (wink, wink)
Again thanks for responding.

Ah-Ha. Silly me. Should´ve read the fine print. It was right in yer first line. She-Male. :o
Sorry about that. I´ll try seein you as a lady. Okay?

About a sad forum, what the heck. Maybe somebody will be encouraged to join the conversation if a few open minded folks´ll keep it going. After all, it just started, huh?

Where´ve I been the last 15 years? Um, mostly somewhere in suthern Germany.

Back to yer topic. Maybe I´ll find a way to introduce a character like you in my comic. It´ll be a rather complex story anyway. But, it´ll have to be on a consensual level. Even if it´ll appear different at first sight. Maybe you could give some suggestions? :D

Gotta admit I´ve tried imagining interaction with a shemale after finding a similar match at alt.com. This s/he acted as girl, too. Alas telling the "truth" about his/her orgin at second line. Nice sample pictures. Looked georges. Tried to imagine how´d be and bringing "her" to parties I attend and revealing "her" orgin to the audience to embaress "her". But that´s it fer me right now. Imagining things. Y´know?;)

My first encounter with your particular kind of "sex" where stories I found in a book at a local sex-shop. The author´s "Claude Lenoir" and his stories are based in a rubber/ clinical fetish setting. There a former master of a rubber slave-maid reveals his devotional side and is forced into this hormonell therapy you described. After that s/he is engaged into disciplin treatment. S/he is tormented with enemas, whippings of the boobs, drinking piss, you name it. Treated and raised as a perfect slave slut. But s/he is only a sidekick.
Story is in German. I don´t know about english copies.

Next and most liked of all is Michal Mannings "Spider Garden". Published from Amerotica. There a Celestial beeing, the sacred Androgyn, is a perfect S/he. But s/he is the most powerfull being and running the whole place. So, it´s probably not what yer looking for but worth a try anyway.

I think it takes a lot of guts to live like you do. Carry on.:cool:
Last question: Are you planning to take the last step and switch the sides totally? Or are ya content with how it is right now?

Well BB perhaps between the two of us we can get this forum rolling along better. I've read your stuff on other threads. You sound complex and interesting.

Comix huh? Would love to see them sometime.

I live in the U.S. I spent two years in Nurnberg, Germany. I loved it there.

Back to consensual/nc, understand that I'm aware of the difference between fantasy and reality.

As for story ideas...hmmm, I get too hot and bothered when I try to write a story. I can't get five paragraphs written without, um, pausing for relief. I've never yet finished a story. I find my turn on from serving a Dom t be 90% cerebral and 10% physical.
Personally, my biggest turn on are fantasies about pulic humiliation. Being what I am that could be paradise for a creative Dom with a similar interest. I'm tall and thus only wear 2 0r 3 inch heels so not to draw attention. I imagine being "made" to wear 5 or six inch heels. Another idea was that gals like me learn how to "tuck" our genitals away when wearing pants or a tight skirt. One could be "made" to lnot tuck and wear a really tight skirt that reveals more than a gal like me would desire.

Watersports are also an interest. Is it odd that that which turns me on are the things I fear the most? I get shy when someone asks me to go into details about these things. But a few other things are intense breast bondage and other rough breast play. For me they are my pride and joy and in fantasy my Dom never allows me to forget they are there.
I've also fantasized about being tattoed with a few humiliating words in various places. A permanent reminder of my place.
Of course most forms of humiliation turns me on wildy.

As far as how far I plan on making my body match everything else: I'm thinking more about the gender reassignment surgery.
It's not only the expense, but also the myriad hoops one is made to jump through first. I have concers about my breasts, hips and butt getting larger, which hapens over time following the surgery. I like them as they are. I probably will "go all the way" eventually though.

Complex and interresting, huh? Thanx. :D Complex is a bullseye.
I fear I just made myself a bit of an disliked rebell in some other thread. T´sk*.:rolleyes:
I got jumped ´cause of my strong seperation of consensual and nonconsensual settings. I just can´t tolerate even the fictional rape of a 14 year old girl. What the heck. Simons even taught me the abouts of safeguards. Y´know, special words and the whole thing. I feel so reliefed. Now I know what I´ve been missing fer so long. I´m a changed man. :rolleyes:

See, I like (very) to lead my partners in a play. Deeper into the thing, maybe even crossing the borders. Inflicting greater pain, embarresment than before, than wanted. But only if there´s a understanding, a (one more time) consensual base fer both. The submission must be wanted by the sub. He or She or maybe even S/he must want this too. Maybe not right now, maybe putting up a fight first and then, evantually givin in. Because deep down the Bottom wants to please me, trusts me. Wanting to cross the border, too, but not without guidance. Dig?;)

If you read the other threads you´ll notice a strong resistance against real force and brutality against helpless victims. Thats a major part of my beeing and ever will be. In Germany we call it civil courage. Even though I can be hard, unforgiving, demanding, whatever in a play, I´ll never be able to boss around in reality.
I need a true partner and a willing slave. This is my curse. :D

Okay, back to subject one. Tell me more about these "Transgender Warriors". Do you feel like warrior, too? Sometimes? Like the path you walked untill today left you stronger than you once were?
I once read about shamans, harbouring both, male and female deities. They drew power outta this double beeing. It´s a spiritual thing after all. Like y´re a female soul in a male body? Now merging together aided by modern medicin. Maybe this could be accelerated with shamanistic or pagan rituals? Uhh, I feel a completely new twist fer a story. This´ll get REAL interresting. Hey, how about this. You´ll be fixed to chair and Computer/Paper and not be allowed to relief yerself untill ye finished at least five full pages. Maybe this setting will give ya the endurance to finish two pages at last?:p

I just finished the thread where you're getting in "trouble".
I'm completely agree with you on stories involving minors. The moment I see a character underage I have to stop reading.
I don't wish to censor anyone. As a friend suggested to me once,
maybe reading this type of story will provide a release for someone who otherwise might have no other outlet than to act out their fanatsy in the flesh. I think there is a strong possibility there is some truth in this suggestion. I admire your conviction on this matter.

Where we differ a little is on the matter of nc/consesual. In reality, of course I would never want to see anyone used sexually against their will. On the other hand, my own fantasies, nc plays a large role, but only with myself as the helpless heroine.
When I read tales that are nc, I imagine myself in the role of the nc bottom. The paradox lies in that while in a loving trusting D/S relationship (sigh, if there really is such thing, but a girl can dream) I would want my top to push my limits a bit further than I really desire, I'm equally certain I would not want to be forced into any kind of situation where I was forced to bend to the will of a stranger. Yet the fantasy of such still plays a part of my fantasy life.

All this said, I think it's appropriate on a site like this not to start nitpicking about any particular fetish. To me it seems, lol, too "American." We tend to be quick to say "ooooh, that is so sick!" about anything not vanilla. I think we'll all be better off sticking to what we like rather than putting down what another likes.

On to the topic of your pronoun use of s/he. Hmmm. I guess I brought that one upon myself with the moniker I chose as well as my refusal to identify with an either/or gender choice. If you use it as a "demeaning" term as a dom addressing a sub, then way cool. However, as transpeople face a tremendous amount of hate and violence in real life situations, I otherwise advise that "she" for mtf and "he" (not in quotes) for ftm are the proper and respectful pronouns. Simply, any person who is not transsexual has no more intelligent right to define who we are anymore than it would be appropriate for a white person to define what it means to be Native-American. I think one of the reasons we face so much virulence from non-transsexuals is that we all have the knowledge somewhere in the back of our minds of how our own (meaning everyone) gender choices have been ruthlessly taken from us by western culture from ealiest childhood. I am glad that you were able to acknowledge the courage it takes to live life on one's own terms in a gender-rigid society. Those who stigmatize us tend to do so in order to show how "normal" they are in an attempt to help hide their own secret stigmata. I say this from the perspective of my childhood. I had a stepfather ener into my life who literlly beat the feminine out of me. By the time I was 13, I myself would pick on any boy I deemed as being femine. Though I didn't realize it then, I now have the advantage of hindsight to aid me in realizing that I did what I did as a teen because I was angry that these boys hadn't "learned" what I was forced to learn about gender expresion. It's funn yfor me to look back upon my flight into hypermasculinity. I became a "tough guy and a bully in school. Then I went Special Forces in the military. But when I finished my enlistment I was left only with myself and it didn't take long to come to terms with who I really am. Oh my, I'm afraid I'm starting to rant. Ok then, enough said.

As to your question apropos being a "warrior": If I am it's not by choice. I would so much prefer being a kept, submissive domesticated sex-slave than to being a warrior. But while I can find short-term "playmates", the truth is that finding a long-term partner requires of them to be my equal in courage. Those who are attracted to women like myself, don't really need to have the same level of courage as we do as they don't have as much at stake. It's easier to hide who you are attracted to than it is to hide who you are.

So BB, why don't you send me an e-mail? I think I'd really enjoy chatting with you more in depth.

An e-mail Exchange. Wow. This comes fast. :rolleyes: I have to think about that. Exchange of e-mail adresses, we just got to know each other. I don´t think I´m that kind of guy. :rolleyes:


Mmmmh....well....uuh....


Okay.:D

But it´s pm first, huh?

BB. Problem here. I can't figure out how to opem the private messages. A little help please?

Hey, how am I to know? I´m no Techie myself.:confused:
I just wrote it. How about you send me one with your adress?
Maybe this will work.

Just trail up to the top of the screen. Near the top center, you'll see a button marked "user cp". Click it-- and you're at your Control Panel, where you can find your Private Messages as the first "home base" option.

Hey, thanx fer the hint. Sometimes it´s right in front of yer eyes and still one can´t see it. Thanx again.

Rubberspatula??? That´s a kitchen tool, isn´t it? Ever seen Weired Al´s trailer for Spatula City? :D

Rubber Spatula has been my alter ego since high school, so when UHF came out the summer of Batman, naturally I ignored it (and I was the only person I knew up until then who had attended a Weird Al concert...). <g>

But I was working in a used record store that year and was delighted to hear the Spatula City cut!

"Where can you get brand name spatulas at half the retail cost?"

"SPATULA CITY!"

Wonder what Gwen thought of that, or if she's seen it?

Don´t forget they make GREAT Christmass presents.

And what better way to say: I love you
..than with the gift of a spatula

So tell us, RubbrSpatula. Do you use ´em fer spankies?:eek:


Hi! I´m Sal Greenbaum. I liked this Spatulas so much...I bought the company.


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Well, I´ll give it some serious thinking writing a storie involving a MtF Sub. My intresst is aroused. How about all you other writers out there?

Re: Original topic of thread.

There's a website I always come accross when looking for litporn, which is nifty.org. they always seem to have stories of the type I think you want, although I'm not sure, because I don't really read them. Try there.

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Re: Spatula City

Yes, i have heard it. it's OK. I find stuff like that kind of annoying, though.

whatever g42. It's the same tired light pulp full of "magical" nc transformations.

Stick to giving advise on what you know about. ok?

and please don't respond to anything I post in the future. I've no more interest in your boredom with my interests than you do with my boring interests.

Thank you.

Troll!

G42

Uh-huh, but you of course are the one resorting to name calling. This is exactly whyI asked you politely albeit sardonically to not bother me anymore.

You didn't mask your hostility towards me very well in your first reply.
I'm happy to see you've dropped the very gossamer veil.

No G42. I'm here because I'm interested in the subjectof BDSM.
I have no interest in having a flame war with you or anyone else for that matter.

I found your need to throw in "though I don't really read them" to be dismissive. So I didn't understand why you thus responded.

I'm not however going to join you in childish name calling and accusations to make myself feel better.

I am that which I claim to be. A male to female transsexual, who lives full-time in the world this way. I've had enough abusive name-calling in the real world. I don't requite abuse there, nor will I do so on an internet forum. I also happen to have my sexuality "tied up" in Bdsm. I came here to discuss it.

It takes less than no courage to call other people names and hurl unfounded accusations in a forum like this. So forgive my not being impressed.

I did not intend to offend you. If I did this, I apologize. I admit that I am overly sensetive to what I feel are biased remarks. I'like to think a forum like this would not be a place where we would not act discriminitory towards others. Subtlely or otherwise.

Calling me a troll is simply more dismissiveness. Mind you that the vast, vast majority of people would have much worse names to call you, myself and anybody who comes to a site like this. Correct? Let's e better than that.

I am not only capable of asking for forgiveness, but of forgiving. If you wish to discuss something with me intelligently or at least respectfully, then by all means. I might surprise you. There is nothing wrong with my heart, and I'm sure my intentions for coming to this forum are similar to your own. Do as you will, but I will not flame. Life is too short.

peace.

Don't get into an argument with me, buddy. If you want me to point out evey single flaw in what you've been saying (for there are many), and prove conclusively that you are a troll, I'll be more then happy to do that once I've done my english essay and my webstuff. If you're particularily interested, ask me around the middle of next week. I should be free by then.

Other then that, yeah, you're a classic troll. Hang out at slashdot much? Some sort of b i l l p a l m e r gone kinky? hehe :p

Anyways, you're cute honey. byebye

I'm sorry you are so hateful.

But I am exactly what I say I am and would be happy to, and capable of proving that.

Again, I won't resort to your level of name calling.

My offer for respectful dialogue was sincere. I'm disappointed you choose instead to take the low road.

I'll be here though if you wish to talk repectfully.

I live in the U.S. I have been undergoing medically superised hormone therapy for years. The state I live in Colorado, a state that allows us to change our sex on our legal identification, e.g. driver's license, upon completion of conditions and a letter from an. M.D. verifying that we live full-time in the female gender and are undergoing psychological therapy and continuing with medical transition. I have legally changed my name and my sex here. Facts G42, not blind accusations with a hidden agenda.

I can offer all the proof you desire. If you are going to continue hurling unfounded and hateful accusations. (Buddy is very transphobic, but again, I won't stoop to the name calling level)

As I can prove that I am what I say I am, while you pretend to need to run off and hide for a week after hurling mud my way, I'm sure that's all quite telling to the impartial.

I have not called you names, and I offered a fair dialogue.

I have no clue as to who Bill Palmer is or what some other references you made are.

Again, I'm sorry you wish to take a route that i won' take. When you wish to play fair. Please, I'll be here.

BTW, I'm not cute, but I'm sexy and attractive :D

I'm trying hard to treat you like I wish to be treated G42.
Is there a problem with the Golden Rule?

I used to be such a kid. Man. I'm learning, as my years count higher and higher, that I don't know as much as I like to make people THINK that I know. And that's a need in me to feel empowered, knowledgable, useful. I'm human. Don't sue me.

I also used to be pretty hot headed when my opinions and ideas were challenged. I was likely to get pretty riled when someone bruised my ego or told me how to live my life or when and where I could speak.

One of SSMB's first posts in this thread was about the lack of diversity and input from others. And I thought to myself, as I read it-- is there anything I can add to the topic? Do I have anything constructive to add?

I didn't. So I kept my opinions about the topic to myself and kept on reading-- 'cause you can learn when you read.

Until bbwolf and SSMB asked out loud about Private Messages, this was a topic I was lurking in with no intention of commenting. And, bbwolf and I got a leeeeeeettle bit off topic. And in doing so, I also yanked in g42.

And I'd like to apologize for doing that to SSMB. Didn't mean to trivialize your topic with silly banter-- I'm just making friends, or trying to. My sincerest apologies.

But I'm not responible for the current flame war. I'm a happy, sexy beast and that's someone else's problem.

Before you folks blast each other again, remember that the point of joining a forum is to communicate openly. If your opinion is more important than someone else's feelings, or if your feelings are more important than someone else's opinions, you're in the wrong place.

Be colorful. Be yourselves. But don't expect to enjoy yourselves here if you waste time telling each other to shut up or to change. And don't even take each other semi-seriously. Your people, and these are ideas in personal liberty-- not that important in the abstract, and "nothing to get hung about."

When we're lost in the woods, we all wipe with the same leaves.

;)

Well said Rubber Spatula. LOL, I've now had one of those artifacts in a recent fantasy! Ouch. That stings a liitle. ; )

But I am human as well. One of G42's terms were the same to me as a racial slur would be perceived a person of color. I don't think that is appropriate. I know too well though that transgender people are the last in line to get support from others when it comes to hate speech. So I don't expect it. Someone acting big and brave behind a keyboard neither impresses me or hurts my feelings. But I will always try to answer hateful words. It's not about about my feelings. It's abound bigotry towards transpeople. I'd be confronting G42 had it been a slur against gay men or a person of color.

This person is jumping on me in my thread.
One would think would think that if I were indeed a "troll" I would be rejoining her maliciousness on her threads. I've no interest.
I'm a firm believer that name calling and other forms of devaluing the lives of others speak nothing about the object of derision, but rather this speaks volumes about the abuser.

Hell, I don't claim to know much about anything RS. I do have a better idea of who I am and why I'm here though than someone on the other side of a keyboard.

Somebody once wrote on a very different message board I'm fond of that the reason that all the flaming that occurs in cyberspace is due to the lack of a filter of ahuman face. My guess is that if G42 's anger would not get past a simple smile from me.

I have no problem with her. Just with her name calling and false accusations. I don't mind if someone needs to dump their karma on me. For me the important thing is not to pass it on to others.

Peace.

Ps. I don't hold you responsible at all RS. I'm not even angry at G42. Just a little disappointed. But it reminds me that there are some folks out there I wouldn't mind dominating.



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Whoa. I sure missed a lot during Europes night shift, didn´t I?

Thanks Rubbr, fer the cool and true comment. I can´t tell what Gwens problem is, too. I checked her Web-Site after reading a reply by her in a different thread. First I thought, wow. That might be somebody related. Cause of the Art thing and Freehand and Photoshop stuff. But now I got the feeling she might only be a noisy little cub. Acting like a typical adolscent braging about how cool she is by lowering folks around her. That´s real cheap.

I mean, what should I think about anybody who, no regard how subtle, offers the possibility of sex fer raising the hitquote of her web-site?:eek:
Maybe in reality she´s a female nerd/geek, overweight with bottlebottomglasses who has to hide behind her computer all day after school ´cause the cheerleaders would haunt her when she shows her face in public?:D

See, Gwen. That´s life. Put out pressure and you´ll recieve pressure. You might be a decent girl, with talents in art and living, heck maybe even morals. But you sure got a lot to learn.

What? I'm confused again... :/

This is too much for me to fight against. Can someone back me up or something?

Actually, becdause I can't sleep anyways I'm going to justify myself. I'm going to go backwards, because I like going backwards. Starting with the last post.

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No. No. No. No. I'm not sure where you got that impression, rationally, but I'll reply to more specific ideas later on. I think I may have been misconstrued?

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I mean, what should I think about anybody who, no regard how subtle, offers the possibility of sex fer raising the hitquote of her web-site?

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Ellaorate? Offering sex? What?

SubShemaleBitch:

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One of G42's terms were the same to me as a racial slur would be perceived a person of color. I don't think that is appropriate. I know too well though that transgender people are the last in line to get support from others when it comes to hate speech. So I don't expect it. Someone acting big and brave behind a keyboard neither impresses me or hurts my feelings. But I will always try to answer hateful words. It's not about about my feelings. It's abound bigotry towards transpeople. I'd be confronting G42 had it been a slur against gay men or a person of color.

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Arrrgh. No!

I'm kind of confused about where to start on this one. it's just so wrong. Point form time it is, then:

• One of my strongest interests is sexuality and how it is perceived and moulded by our cultures and others. I'm quite "leftist" when it comes to sex, and more liberal then virtually anyone I know. You can be sure of one thing, I speak not out of ignorance. I've done reading, I've discussed with others and I've done thinking. I am quite reasonably aware of the issues and respect your decisions. What I don't appreciate is hiding behind your gender and making it look like I'm attacking you out of ignorance.
  
• Regarding "buddy", specifically. I've been known to use the word against men and women. Why would I not use it for someone who's gender preffrence is uncertain? Do you preffer to be a him or a her? Or perhaps youpreffer the androgenous "zir"? Assuming I'm making a jab at your gender is fairly typical of minority groups, which I understand, to the extent that a white suburban girl can, intellåctually although perhaps not emotionally.
  
• On a personal note, I've been questioning my own biological gender lately. i've never felt aprticularily comfortable as a girl and now that I understand different lifestyles choise i could make, I'm considering many different ones. I doubt I would go so far as to have surgury or even hormone therepy, but if I manage to find an outfit that can make me look convincingly male, I would like to try that out. of course it would take practice to lower my voice and adjust my gate and posture etc, but if I could do it, I might be happier. The problem is that because of the double standards in out society regarding which gender may wear what kinds of clothes, it's difficult to go woman -> boy, because really I look more like a butch girl then anything else. but, I digress. The point was that i am certainly neither biggoted in this area, nor hating you because of it.
  
• Another thing about "buddy" is that I've certainly never heard it as anything other then a generally, mildly aggressive word you use when challenging. I don't know where you are, I don't know who you're around, but I've never thought it associated TG/TV etc. I know it's supposed to be used against men, so I use it against women, because I like genderbendy things that people don't expect.
  
• And FYI I'm just as bitchy and upfront in real life. Louder, too.
  

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You didn't mask your hostility towards me very well in your first reply.

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Note: There was no hostility. Ellaborations to follow.

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I found your need to throw in "though I don't really read them" to be dismissive. So I didn't understand why you thus responded.

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What I *meant* by that was that I'm not claiming it to be a really good site. i'm just saying that I come accross it over and over again when looking for litporn and *maybe* it *might* be of interest to you, but since I know not your fantasies, let alone details of the community you come from, I couldn't be sure. Also, I didn't read because frankly, that's not the kind of stuff that turns me on. Doesn't doing any harm, but it's not me, you know? I'm sure there's are lots of things that wouldn't really get you going.

I really don't see what the harm was in contributing the link *in case* you liked it. I certainly didn't expect this. If it was no good, I figured you'd say, "no, thanks. that site sucks ass." or something a bit more elloquent but with the same meaning. No harm, right? But potential good.

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I'm not however going to join you in childish name calling and accusations to make myself feel better.

I am that which I claim to be. A male to female transsexual, who lives full-time in the world this way. I've had enough abusive name-calling in the real world. I don't requite abuse there, nor will I do so on an internet forum.

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I'm just going to use this as a bit of support for my earlier point about how minority groups tend to victimize themselves, wether rightly or wrongly. You're dragging in your sexuality, which, as I've said before has ***nothing to do*** with anything I say to you that isn't on that topic. I'm not subtly disrespecting you based on you gender. geeze. Stop it because it's not productive.

(Oh, and coming up is a cincher post...)

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whatever g42. It's the same tired light pulp full of "magical" nc transformations.

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Oh gee. I sure am sorry for not knowing your prefrences.

Seriously.

A lot of people like that sort of thing. I don't dig it much myself, personally. But if you look at the volume of stories on a site like mcstories.com, you can see that there is a large audience for that sort of thing on the Net. As above, *no harm in trying*. Right?

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Stick to giving advise on what you know about. ok?

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and please don't respond to anything I post in the future.
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Yeah you're pretty friendly and polite and non-judgemental, aren't you? One post that isn't exactly what you want and suddenly I'm never to speak to you again? You call that reasonable?

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So, in conclusion, I'm baffelled. You're overreacting. What I did was give you a suggestion you didn't like. I ask you what harm came with it, and I ask you how I was to know not to post it with no prior knowledge of what exactly you wanted. I ask you why you decided I was attacking you based on gender and why harp on it so much even when it's not really relevant. If you had asked, for foot fetish stories or something else I'm not relaly into and I had posted a link you didn't ahppen to like i would have spoken exactly the same way.

Oh, and jsut by way of showing that I know something about the gender thing, since you insist on bringing it up, what you were talking about with American Indians is called being "two spirited". It is genreally well respected in that culture and there is a great deal of cultural confusion at the present time because of the effects of European values and traditional Judae-Christian gender roles.

(PS Its about 5 am and I'm tired. i think i've mostly made sense but some of my spelling/grammer may be subpar. Forgive me for that.)

Thank you for attempting some civility here Gwen.

First off, I agree that I overreacted in my first response to you. I did offer an apology that was sincere. You've still yet to accept or even acknowledge that fact. It was sincere.

As for my gender let me make it clear to you,should you choose to continue to be respectful.

I identify as a transsexual woman. Standard female pronouns are what are used for me in real life and I appreciate them being used in cyberspace as well. As for buddy, well the first time I ever wore a skirt in public a clerk used that term to me as a means of humiliating me. Thus my sensetivity to the word. I've spent two years working at a women's center at our local university and a large part of the training there states that it's ridiculous to claim one knows about another groups oppression. If you do transition, you will discover this to be true. Reading about it is not the same as living it. We've had 36 transwomen murdered in this country in the past 33 months. Including the beating death of a 16 year old two-spirited native american right here in my home state last summer. Statistics show that my chance of being a homicide victim in my lifetime is 1 in 12.
All this starts from hateful ideas.
I stated what I did because I sincerly believed your hostility towards me had to do with my gender. Sorry, but that's how I felt.
Youir right-wing justification doesn't cut it with me. I've heard it all a thousand times.

I'm now fascinated that you claim you are considering a transition to male. I have a half-dozen friends and one former lover who was ftm. Also the facilitator of our local gender support group is ftm. Have you read any of Leslie Feinberg's work? He came here (he stated to me that my using male pronouns was fine with him as it honored his gender expression.) to give a lecture last year and spent two hours talking to our gender group befor his lecture. He's one of my heroes. I strongly suggest you read his work. Also are you familiar with S/m author Pat Califia? He's now Patrick.

Gwen I'll be the first person to offer my friendship to you. I don't need enemies. I could always use another friend.

I want to mention that if you undergo testosterone treatments, they will in fact cause your voice to lower.
We mtf's don't have that luxury. I had to work mine hard to where it is now. Funny thing is that it comes naturally without thinking about it after five years.

Peace Gwen. May this be the start of a friendly, respectful dialogue. BTW, I liked your artwork.

I'm rereading your last post Gwen and I need to mention that while you claim to be well-read, (you may well be) you are in fact calling my gender identity my sexuality.

Just a note: gender identity and sexuality are two entirely different entities. The first is who you are, the second is who you desire as well as how you desire.

Hope this is helpful.

I know what you mean, although I would argue that since sexuality is a broad term, gender fals under it.

Also, you're looking foir something of a very sexual nature regarding your gender, so it must be somewhat sexual.

Gonna reply to the rest of it?

"Gonna reply to the rest of it?"

Well...no. I feel that I addressed everything I felt I needed to in my last two posts.

You did note that there is a much longer reply above the short one?

I'll only reiterate that I have apologized for overreacting at first.

Nothing you could say about Gwen could effect me more than what Gwen reveals about herself, SSMB, and the same goes for you. My opinion of you-- which doesn't mean a thing in your world, and rightfully so-- is based on what you say, and what insight you bring to the table.

Until the day Jinn says otherwise, we've earned the write to belittle each other and to say things to one-up and discredit each other as we please. I'm abstaining. I think you're depriving yourself of the value of knowing the other person and getting something out of the time you spend talking to them if you just lash out when you feel hurt.

For the record, I think Gwen is a pretty cool cat. I wan't singling her out. I was picking on topic drift that wasn't accomplishing anything. Two people trading insults is not the fault of one person.

I gotta admit I´m somewhat lost now. Maybe that´s connected to english not beeing prime rib.., ahm native tongue to me.

I however completely agree with the fact that you need at least two persons to start and continiu a flame war/ trading insults. Everybody feel free to check this in Powerones "Intressted in Stories" Thread. There Simons and myself took the opportunity to try gnawing off each other heads.:D


Ho Gwen.

You´re pretty eloquent if ya want to. I´m impressed. Maybe you´re more mature than first appeared. Life is full of surprises.
I like to be surprised that way. It´s always better to get the feel that somebody you deal with is not the dork you first expected.
So, hope Rubbr is right and yer a cool kitten after all. Thou I´d like to explain what tipped me off on yer Site. The part about offering the possibility of sex fer a higher hit quote. Here it is. Taken from yer "Home-Site" Bottom Line.

>>Be aware that I'm more likely to sleep with you, boys and girls, if you visit the page as often as I prescribe. In fact, 100% of all the people I have ever slept with (and I like to call myself a sexually liberated woman) have the good taste to visit that page on a semi daily basis. <<

Is that humor or a inmoral offering???
:D :D :D