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You do if you want to see more of itQuote:
Originally Posted by tessa
Touche. :) Well done! But you knew that already. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TomOfSweden
And jeanne, I have an ocean, plus a few large bodies of land, that help me live so dangerously when it comes to Tom. Something tells me that face-to-face with him, though, would be a true lesson in "living dangerously".
tessa :wave:
I completely agree - explaining why telling him face-to-face that I'd like to take a bite would never, ever, ever happen! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tessa
But I'm such a harmless weedle bunnyQuote:
Originally Posted by tessa
This topic honestly makes me sad. I myself have looked at it and thought, "You know. We are supposedly a free country, but we have so many restrictions. We are so conservative, and censored it's ridiculous."
The problem with my train of thought is that my instant answer is to move to another country -- But other countries have problems too. I guess I'll just have to inherit a shit ton of money and buy an island somewhere....
Well,please take me with you D'licious one. It is sad and I don't know the answer sweet. I love this country and yet I see we are in the throes of a vicious tyranny.
ANd the worst thing is I am not gonna be here too much longer (30 or so years), but for you young people if this continues I don't know what kind of America we will have.
It is already a marshal law or military state whether we admit it or not. I have seen so many freedoms vanish in my time it is pitiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by John56
BINGO!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by his_j
It's all about how they think that their religion is the only religion and that anyone else is just simply wrong. It is this whole moral majority that has gotten America so damn up tight, that we don't know our heads from our asses I simply hate the religious majority in power in my country. One day when all the old bigot bastards die out, America might actually have a chance of stepping out from behind years of sexual repression and ignorance.
But then again I also believe that plural marriages should be lawful and cannot believe it took so long for us to see that racism is completely wrong or that women should be considered equals.
Yeah America is one screwed up country.
Fascinating discussion.....i can't resist it....:D
i like the stuff about America being founded on an ideal. It would be nice if that were absolutely the case, but i think it is debatable is it not? It is possible, after all, to attribute the expulsion/emmigration of those on the Mayflower to the fact that they were not allowed to impose their extreme religious views and life choices on the rest of the population and so stamped off to the New World and set in motion the murder and removal of an indigenous people.....which i would suggest has a lot more in common with the Bush regime than the 'ideal'. The original colonists' idea of religious freedom was not simply the freedom to worship as one wished, but also the "freedom" to impose that view on others. You could argue that the religious right in the States are upholding the earliest and finest traditions of the country.
Just as an aside, i can't understand why gagged_louise has somehow equated gay adoption with international adoption, when the two are quite clearly separate issues. Certainly in the UK, gay adoption is about same sex couples adopting children from this country. The issue of going abroad was only tangled up with it because sometimes before the law changed same sex couples who really wanted children would go abroad to get round the legal stuff. i'm not defending that, but surely saying one has a problem with gay adoption because some gay couples go abroad makes no sense. You obviously have a problem with the international thing - fair enough - but that doesn't have any relevance to the gender or sexuality of the prospective parents. i think you need to separate these issues out in your mind, beacuse i have to say i think your mixing them together under this subject comes over as homophobic. What are your objections to gay adoption per se? What are your objections to international adoption?
My father is a Christian Minister and his take on marriage was interesting (especially as Master and i were preparing to have our Civil Partnership - btw the title Civ Partnership is in itself an way round religious objection to gay marriage). My father pointed out that the sacraments of the church are actually (something like - there may be some i've left out, cos i'm not, on the other hand, a Christian minister) baptism and eucharist and such like. He says that marriage existed prior to Chirstianity....in fact it is a social contruct in which a community/society would recognise and legitimise the relationship between two of its members. This becomes a religious ceremony for various reasons; on the good side, because your community is a relgious one, oyu beliefs are religious and it adds to the proceedings; and on the bad, because the church set itself up as the arbiter of all knowledge a social interaction etc. His argument therefore is that suggesting that the church/religion has any more right to comment on marriage than anyone else is nonsense, because marriage as an institution/concept is bigger than that. Plus he unearthed some evidence that same sex "marriages" did take place at various times - inc, it would seem between Christian crusaders going to the Holy Land.
i do find it extraordinary that people - like the 'god hates fags' lot and Falwell etc get so excited about gay marriage. "You're Christian you say? And you think the best expression of that is to get all excited about two adults who want to register a loving relationship? You do know that people are starving don't you? That children are being abused? etc etc are you sure you know what the word Christian actually means, bless you?"
Oh dear i've wittered on. Perhaps if i look at Tom's arse now, it'll one shut me up and two make him feel less repressed. Look, pansexual ogling! :D
Crumbs. i have now just looked at Tom's arse and i do see what the ladies mean. hehehe. Sorry.
Good post cbtboy,
I think,in the U.S., at least that the Gay Marriage issue, the abortion issue and to a lesser, more fringe element, extent the silly Evolution issue are used to fire up Christians for political gain.
I have a Conservative Christian brother that was talking about the conspiracy to discriminate against Christians. When asked to cite examples, he used the abotion debate. I countered with the fact that no one is forcing people to have abortions! But it used to show the moral decay of the U.S. (simply no truth to that in my book).
And I hear talk from conservatives about the Homosexual agenda, total B.S. as well. Most gays I know are happy with some of the strides they have made but none are trying to recruit people to their "cause." ANd Gay marriage supposedly damages heterosexual marriage, HOW has never been answered.
And some of the most loving parents I know are same-sex parents.
But the leaders of these Christrian political movements use these issues to fire up their base. It is really sad to me.
And you didn't write too much, I liked reading what you said. ANd I tend to go on and on myself.
Thanks cbtboy, good post
Sorry Tom, I am distracted by Tessa's, Jeanne's and D'luscious D'lish's asses.
Oh< i gotta be careful, almost fainted there. ~winks~
John
Thanks very much - i'm enjoying this mixture of serious debate and looking at arses! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by John56
And i find people's obsession with other people's sex lives baffling too. i mean, i'm aware that people are having heterosexual sex, i'm not ruling out the possibility that i might at some point in the future, though i'm not actively seeking to, but it hardly occupies my thoughts. i'm certainly not filled with disgust at the the thought of a man and a woman together (That's because it's normal and natural and doesn't offend God. Oh yeah, silly me!) Surely if i spent a lot of time thinking about straight sex, i'd be bisexual (at least). Do really straight (but not necessarily narrow) people actually spontaneously spend time thinking about gay sex? (putting aside titillating girl/girl boy/boy fantasy action - you dirty, dirty people! :D) But we already know that most queer bashers are closet gay/bi andyway....so it follows i suppose.
Yes it's funny how some people get obsessed with the idea there's an agenda ( a gay agenda, a Jewish agenda). Like there was some sort of international meeting that decided on it:
From bettybowers.com:
The Homosexual Agenda
8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.
8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don't panic; you're not slumming.
8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won't be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter "sorry" as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you "loan" him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.
8:05 a.m. Tell the stranger, whose name eludes you, "It was fun. I'll give you a call," as you usher him out the door, avoiding his egregious morning-breath.
8:06 a.m. Crumple and dispose of the piece of paper with his telephone number on it when you get to the kitchen.
8:07 a.m. Make a high protein breakfast while watching the Today show. Wonder if the stories you've heard about Matt Lauer are true. Decide they must be.
8:30 a.m. Italian or domestic? Decide to go with three-button Italian and the only shirt that is clean.
8:45 a.m. Climb into red Z4 and try not to look too much like Barbie driving one of her accessories as you pull out of your underground parking. Revos or Armanis? Go with Revos.
9:35 a.m. Stroll into office.
9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."
10:15 a.m. Leave office, telling your secretary you are "meeting with a client." Pretend not to notice her insubordinate roll of her eyes (or the cloying "poem" she has tacked to her cubicle wall).
10:30 a.m. Hair appointment for lowlights and cut. Purchase of Aveda anti-humectant pomade.
11:30 a.m. Run into personal trainer at gym. Pester him about getting you Human Growth Hormone. Spend 30 minutes talking to friends on your cell phone while using Hammer Strength machines, preparing a mental-matrix of which circuit parties everyone is going to and which are now passe.
12:00pm Tan. Schedule back-waxing in time for Saturday party where you know you will end up shirtless.
12:30 p.m. Pay trainer for anabolic steroids and schedule a workout. Shower, taking ten minutes to knot your tie while you check-out your best friend's boyfriend undress with the calculation of someone used to wearing a t-back and having dollars stuffed in their crotch.
1:00 p.m. Meet someone for whom you only know his waist, chest and penis size from AOL M4M chat for lunch at a hot, new restaurant. Because the maître d' recognizes you from a gay bar, you are whisked past the Christian heterosexual couples who have been waiting patiently for a table since 12:30.
2:30 p.m. "Dessert at your place." Find out, once again, people lie on AOL.
3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.
4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.
4:30 p.m. Take a disco-nap to prevent facial wrinkles from the stress of world conquest and being so terribly witty.
6:00 p.m. Open a fabulous new bottle of Malbec.
6:47 P.M. Bake Ketamine for weekend. Test recipe.
7:00 P.M. Go to Abercrombie & Fitch and announce in a loud voice, "Over!"
7:40 P.M. Stop looking at the photographic displays at Abercrombie & Fitch and go to a cool store to begin shopping.
8:30 p.m. Light dinner with catty homosexual friends at a restaurant you will be "over" by the time it gets its first review in the local paper.
10:30 p.m. Cocktails at a debauched gay bar, trying to avoid alcoholic queens who can't navigate a crowd with a lit cigarette in one hand and a Stoli in a cheap plastic cup in the other. Make audible remark about how "trashy" people who still think smoking is acceptable are.
12:00 a.m. "Nightcap at your place." Find out that people lie in bars, too.
Hilarious Cbtboy, I loved it.
the other thing that has always bothered me about the marriage argument is that we heterosexuals are so protective of marriage. I am sorry with abuse and divorce and infidelity. We haven't done that great of a job with the institution, I'm afraid.
And a lot of Gay and Lesbian friends I know are very happy and committed individuals in their relationships.
And yes, I never have thought, "Wow, not that i look at that happy couple, maybe I want a relationship with a hunky man." And you are right, a lot of the people that rail against homosexuality are closeted and very unhappy gay men.
The lastest was Preacher Ted Haggard here in the States vehemently preached agains thte "Homosexual agenda." But had many times cheated onhis wife with a Gay prostitute AND taken Meth with him.
But what is interesting is that he was sent away and counseled by four other pastors and deemed "cured" of his homosexuallity in three weeks.
Of course he was, lol.
I enjoy your posts they are FABULOUS cbtboy!
Uh-oh I used fabulous, damn you homosexual agenda, I have succumbed, LOL.
Have a great day cbt!
John