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I am happy we can agree to disagree.
I hope this will in no way effect our continued relationship here.
I do respect that you have your own opinions. I will however continue to rebut those expressions that I see as close minded and defend with verve my position on this topic.
As the Japanese say: "Absorb what is useful".
Seri,
We were so close to happy lollipops and gummi bears but then close-minded came up. :P
Me thinking rape is wrong isn't close minded.
Me thinking that to subjugate any random woman because she "must" want it is wrong, is not close minded.
Me thinking that submission to men is not the nature of ALL women is not close minded.
Me thinking that for those women who do possess varying degrees of submission that most don't really secretly want to be fully owned by a male with no rights, is not close minded.
Me thinking John Norman is insane, is an obvious conclusion just by reading his insane rambling letter to his readers at the end of "Witness of Gor"
It's a little "special" in my opinion.
My evil commentary of the letter can be found here should anyone be so inclined:
http://gor-issues.wetpaint.com/page/...s+just+FICTION
At the end of the day what this comes down to is I think a certain author is a misogynist and a crazy person and that his books suck.
I'm not attacking your lifestyle. I'm attacking the books that are the basis. That might be a thin line to you and it might cross into too personal of a territory for you, and if so I apologize. It's not my desire to cause anyone any hurt feelings or emotional anguish (well except John Norman of course), but I think the man is insane.
And I can't just "NOT" critique a person I feel is a garden slug and his work, just because someone else decided he was wonderful and decided to base some major chunk of their life on him.
Also, I have no bad feelings toward YOU, Seri. I think you are a nice person. I admire your fire and that you don't back down from a fight. I consider it an admirable quality and not just when i do it. :P I have no hostile feelings toward you. You simply have different views than I do on a series of books and an author. And both of us consider our sides very important to us. because it's not just a "book" or "series of books" it's an attitude.
You feel that your lifestyle isn't understood. I feel that you can live however you want but that Norman should be on a thorazine drip and not allowed to mingle with the populace.
Yes exactly lilpet..an attitude indeed.....
That i see all too often mis-interperated by people that are unable to seperate the fictional portrayal of a setting in a book, from the inherient philosophical virtues expoused by the writter of truth , honor and love found between the lines through out the volume of its bredth.
I never said you had to see it my way.
and i say this with all due respect:
from my perch in this tree, that to say you are not attacking my beliefs all the while you continue to chop and chop over and over with the same ax (argument) at the basis of my beliefs (or its roots tht being the books) seems to me a bit to much to swallow as is.
I am out, this is beyound thread drift, for this topic. Pm me if u really wish to continue or have something "new" to contribute.
Even if you dont agree with my terminology.
May you find peace my sister of the collar.
I agree, this discussion has become tired. I'm not trying to attack you personally, feel however you wish. Not once did I in any way misinterpret anything about your lifestyle because I have no clue WHAT you do, nor does it matter to me one way or the other as long as it's consensual and you are happy. My discussion about the amorality of the novels was just that. I made clear many times I think Norman's views about women are wrong, even outside the novels. I'm not sure how much more explicit I could have gotten.
And when I say I believe Norman's philosophies are wrong, I mean...Factually incorrect. Though I do think the man is also a misogynist, but I'm fairly certain that point got through the noise of everything else I said.