Me too. I find them easier on the eyes on the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
I suppose someone has told you about the Gor books? The first about 5 ones are not bad, good stories and good endings - as in bdsm is ok.
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Me too. I find them easier on the eyes on the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
I suppose someone has told you about the Gor books? The first about 5 ones are not bad, good stories and good endings - as in bdsm is ok.
Kajira of Gor is one of the most romantic of them.
I haven't found any Gor books yet. I think I would try them if I did. I don't want to cause friction here, but years ago, when I heard about them, some of my husband's friends were Goreans. I asked him if he had any or had read any of the books, and he had read them and told me what they were, but said that I should not because they were terrible. So I never did. But I was curious then and still am.
I did of a google of Gor and I didn't like what I saw and read. But maybe I will try again with a more open mind and remembering that not all men are like that. And I can unload my gun and lock it back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
Your post is what's made me think I should try again. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by denuseri
Speaking as a former fan, there's two aspects, the literary and the BDSM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
The series was initially commissioned as a 1960s pastiche of Edgar Rice Burroughs' classic sword-and-science adventures, but after the first couple of books the author found his own voice. For the first six or eight books I (in my youth) devoured them as soon as they came out. It began to be obvious that he was reading up on some exotic Earth culture like Inuit or Vikings and building the next book round them, but it worked well enough. After that, I and a lot of people felt they got repetitious, and his weakness for three-page expositions got out of hand. But real fans are still reading them. His style is one you either like or hate, it's a matter of taste.
Burroughs' yarns were as sexless as all pulp adventure of the day, so no doubt part of the original Gor proposition was to add in some sex. But in the very first book he introduced slavery as an exotic detail of the culture, and described the look and handling of slavegirls with such eloquence that people like me, who didn't even know that what we were into was called SM, knew we had found a fellow enthusiast. That was enough to keep us reading for a while even when the books started to get slow and overwritten. Since his books were shelved with general adventure fiction when things like Story of O were under the counter, he was many people's first introduction to the joys of bondage and dominance/submission.
The down side (pausing to don bronze helm and armour and hold shield overhead) is that one reason he could write in Burroughs' style so convincingly is that he shares the old-time pulp writers' attitude to women: sweet weak things that need a strong man's protection, they may imagine that they want independence and their own way, but they're only really happy when a man takes charge of them, with whatever force necessary to make them see sense. In the later books this is elaborated with long sociobiological essays which say the same thing in bigger words. One reason I stopped reading was that I got tired of skipping these, but if you can take them as just local colour, and ignore what they remind you of in terms of our world, you can enjoy the books as M/f D/s fantasies.
It sounds a little like the '50s crime comic books, where the gangster was treated like a hero for most of the book, then gunned down at the end to prove that "crime doesn't pay." But these books both end badly for the same reason, the assumption that a BDSM relationship has to go on getting harder and more extreme till it ends in the sub's mental or physical destruction. Another book with a similar theme, which might have been written as a feminist answer to "9 1/2" and which I'm definitely not recommending as a hot read, is "Nothing Natural" (Jenny Diski). In this the sub is presented as a seducer's victim from the start, and ends by turning the Dom in to the police. (Though the moral lesson is confused: she seems to be a completely split personality, one alter loving her Dom and the other plotting to destroy him, and what she turns him in for is a crude frame-up which in the real world wouldn't stand a day's investigation.)Quote:
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Were these authors reflecting the fears society presented to them, that their abnormal tastes must end badly? A few decades earlier, mainstream stories of gay relationships always ended in tragedy, and again it's hard to know if the authors were writing what they felt would get published, or internalising society's distrust. Maybe the reason people aren't writing stories like that any more is that we simply have enough examples to prove that non-standard sexualities can live happily ever after.
It all depends, you know. For example, 9 1/2 weeks is a very intense story about two people and their journey into bdsm, and it therefore had a profound impact on me when I read it many years ago, because of the deeply depressing ending. So, some would love it for the hot and intense scenes, and some would hate it for the - in the long run - very negative (as well as IMO just plain wrong) view of BDSM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
The Gor books - all the earliest books - are entertaining and fun sword-and-sandal stories with lots of light-hearted but hot bdsm in them. The later books are different, less plot and more arguments on the blessings of male domination over females, which suits some fine, while others get bored. They are definitly not bad, if you like a good yarn.
The Marketplace books are completely different again, more intense than the Gor books, less so than 9 1/2 week, much less plot or story as such.
As I see it, all books and fantasies have to do with either how you want real life, or how you can distinguish fantasy from reality, and that, as I see it, differs a lot from person to person. For example, to some warlike interrogation scenes are hot, because some of us do not confuse it with real life, while others of us can't help but do. Some like 'non-consensual' fantasies a lot, while not condoning rape in real life, and so on. It all varies. A good book for one person is a bad for another. Other literary facts and impressions aprt., of course.
It all depends on what you want, and maybe also what you want at any given time. I'd say if curious, give it a try. What can you loose, apart from a few hours? ;-)
That's true, about all I can lose is that my Master laughs at me and tells me "I told you so".
We watched the Story of O movie, and both really liked it. So much that we had to watch half the first night and half the next night. :)
Nice. It was one of my favorite books (I was very young and it was very new... and dangerous. (Well that last part because it was my father's book and I was a precocious reader.) Which movie version did you see. I'm always looking for a good production of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ksst
The movie is from 1975 and French. Other than that I'm not sure.
I have to say the book had a more powerful effect on me than any book I've read in a while. It really grabbed my imagination, although the ending (non ending) was unsatisfying.
Yes I have a few of the Gor Novels by John Norman and frankly they reminded somewhat of those old Greek, Roman and Barbarian movies from back in the 60's.One distinction here to keep in mind,is that these Gor Novels were written by John Norman.There is an author out there by the name of Jack Norman,who happens to write some rather intense S&M themed novels.Just to confuse the similarity in names is the fact that one of Jack Norman's novels is titled "The Gorean Club".
For those into post apocalyptic scenarios ,Jack Norman wrote a novel titled "2084" . In this one the surviving "haves" build a protective dome to keep out the surviving "have nots" and within this dome,slavery is institutionalized and also is widely practiced by the "have nots" outside the dome.Caught in the middle of all this is Leila Ashe,who finds herself enslaved by the high tech enslavement methods in the dome and then falls under the hands of the "have nots".
Another novel that delves more into the near future is "Emily's Debt" by JJ Argus.In this one "Emily",a young female college grad has a huge college loan to pay back and no job with which to pay back these loans.Indebtedness has become so prevalent in this near future economy,that laws are passed wherby debtors can be arrested and forced to work off their debts.Emily winds being sold to a former classmate who has become a lawyer,one who pushes the limits of the debt slavery laws with some his sadistic demands he imposes on Emily.
As an old leftie I have more trouble with the idea of economic slavery than that involving brute force. My late wife and I used to subscribe to a BDSM newsletter (the old paper kind,) and we regularly got into fights with other members about their taste for "raped by the boss" stories: as an office worker she didn't find anything erotic about sexual harrassment at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by fantazmaster
But that's just my taste, and we all have our own cutoff points.
Well certainly Leo9,I can appreciate your late wife not preferring this sort of story as featured in "Emily's Debt".Matter of fact,I never post suggestions on titles with the expectation that everyone will like every title suggested.
More BDMS Erotic Novels:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frances
SINcerely Megan by Ann O'Connell. Short Story...only 21 pages.
Bucking Hard by Darah Lace.
Punishing Tabitha by Evangeline Anderson Short Story ... only 93 pages.
Sapphire by Jeffe Kennedy
All Tied Up by Marilu Mann
A Touch of Lilly by Nina Pierce (I really like this author. This is M/F/M story.
Bad Girl! by J. D. Faver
Crash into You by Roni Loren
I'll post more after I read them. Happy reading.
Thanks for sharing these books listed above,Frances!
Two discoveries to share in this post,the first of which is a book that has proven to be not only enjoyable as a work of mainstream fiction,but as well a very informative work on the "why" for many of us being into various aspects of the BDSM lifestyle."Bound By Choice" written by John Lloyd. This one is available in paperback as well as in e-book format.
Speaking of e-book format,I have discovered a wonderful resource for free e-books on Amazon,namely the wrbsite, ereaderiq . The ereaderiq scans Amazon at least once every 24 hours (if not more frequently) and then lists the numerous e-books available for free download on the Amazon Kindle website.What has been stunning to me is the fact that I have found free e-books from several best selling authors on this site and have also discovered some new authors as well.
One big hint here is to be sure and check "Yes" on the search filter "Show Erotica" at the top of this ereaderiq webpage in order to see the various Erotica ebooks available for free download.Just to illustrate,I have seen several Erotica works from Elloras Cave among the Erotica listings on this site.
OMG!!! Just tried out that site and love it. Thanks!!!
So many of my author friends start their book release through Amazon. I have a Nook so I have to wait and wait. So I am going to have to get a Kindle.. I love the erotic stories. Especially the ones that actually have a story. But sometime just a quick bump and grind. (smile). I will differentally get and read. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by fantazmaster
Gabby, I am so glad you like this forum. I like hearing about what others read too. Happy reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by gabby0330
I didn't see where anyone had mentioned Fictionwise.com. They are a great resource for ebooks, including all types of erotica. They offer a discount beginning every Saturday, using Friday's date. The code this week is 012712 is good for 40% off most titles. New releases at the site for the week are discounted an additional 15%. Unfortunately, Samhain doesn't participate.
Just thought I would pass it along. The discount really comes in handy when you are trying to work within a budget.. Lol :)
Thank scotsgirl,I am very glad to see members sharing the resources for reading material they have discovered with members on this thread.Frances,your having to "wait and wait" due to having a Nook may be solved by dint of the fact that there is a website called ebookfling.com,which allows the loaning of e-books across the various e-reader platforms.I was just notified of this site,so no,I have not had the chance to "kick the tires" on this site as of yet,but am passing this site on to our members for them to check out.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotsgirl
Ah yes,there is a vast array of e-readers and formats out there,a situation we have seen before with AM vs FM radio receivers and later VHS vs Beta-max format video tapes.One source of info that might resolve some of these e-books always seeming to be available only in other formats is to take a look at the mobileread.com website.
I am so glad you posted that. I have never heard of that link before. Thank you for sharing. I'll go check it out. Keep reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotsgirl
:) hopefully no one will blame me later, after they've bought way too many!! LOL
I don't seem to be able to make it work from the UK. Even if I select "United Kingdom" on the menu, it still sends me to Amazon.com if I try to order anything, and that site tells me my account is registered in the UK so I should go shop there.Quote:
Originally Posted by fantazmaster
leo9:
I tried it from www(dot)ereaderiq(dot)co(dot)uk/free/
When I clicked on a book it linked me to the UK Amazon page. Maybe the browser's history or cache needs to be cleared?
I don't know if anyone has looked at Fictionwise, but the coupon code from Friday, 021012, is for 60% off. They don't do that one very often so I thought I would pass it along!