Humiliation

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Originally Posted by slave802120

Blackmail is about choice, so in that sense, to give in to a blackmail demand is to 'choose' that path. This isn't exactly 'consent' and in reality, even if the victim surrendered a little bit to begin with and then changed their mind later, it's still a crime in reality. The same with Paris Hilton, although methinks she was more concerned that her 'secret video' was an embarrassment not because she's seen sucking cock in it, but that she is clearly inept at the task. hehe

kinkabella

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Doing something in private and doing it on film for a lot of sweaty people is not exactly the same cup of tea, is it?
(Paris Hilton was concerned? Wasn't she just putting up the front? hehe)

Anyway I tough this was about fiction? That place where all that beautiful psychological acrobatics can be explored without real blackmailer messing oh so intricately constructed tableaus and scenarios? (I love to do what I hate only if I'm made to do it but I don't want to be made do it consensualy but it has to have at least an appearance of nonconsensuality except when etc…)
You know … the place between sleeping and waking … :D
And in fiction there isn't much choice in the begging. If the victim does not choose to go along … well I'll let her/him to their lives, and all the luck, but sorry, I will go on to next story where the victim submits, at least just a little.
Have fun :)

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Originally Posted by pejanon

Anyway I thought this was about fiction?

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Yes, and my apologies if it sounded like I was trying to impose any sort of reality on the discussion about blackmail fantasy. :p

One of these days I might write a blackmail fantasy along these lines:

THE BLACKMAILER

It was a dark and stormy night. My hand trembled as I read the blackmailer's demands. 'I will tie you up in my dungeon and rape all your holes with my humungous, blood-engorged cock!!! You will love it!!!!!! If you don't surrender to my demands, I will post all the pix I have of your naked ass to the Internests!!!!!!!!!! GO TO THIS ADDRESS NOW!!!!!! (123 X Street, Dumbsville)'

"Oh woe! Woe is me! Whatever shall I do?" I cry.

"Call the police," my husband says.

The tone of his voice is flat and disinterested and he doesn't even look up from his cereal bowl or the morning paper in his hand.

"Oh. Yes, I never thought of that," I say.

I make the call to 911.

Later, over at 123 X Street, Dumbsville...

"It was only a joke!" Mr Blackmailer says as he's led away in handcuffs.

"Yeah, that's what they all say, buddy!"

A nosey neighbor peers over the fence and yells, "I hope they rape your puny ass in jail, Mr Blackmailer!!!!!!!!!!!"

The Blackmailer's face glows a deep shade of red. "This is so humiliating!" he wails.

The cops then bundle him into their car and speed off into the sunset.

The End

(c) 2005 by kinkabella

PS: Lovers of the Bret Easton Ellis' book 'American Psycho' will notice the unreliable narrative style of this little fantasy. Lovers of stroke stories should enjoy the overuse of exclamation marks as well. ;-)

LOL!

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Originally Posted by slave802120

PS: Lovers of the Bret Easton Ellis' book 'American Psycho' will notice the unreliable narrative style of this little fantasy. Lovers of stroke stories should enjoy the overuse of exclamation marks as well. ;-)

LOL!

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You write such beautifull stuff ... perhaps something along those lines?
I guess this is suposed to be funny. Not particulary - American Psyho or not!

If this is your idea of stroke story - you are dead wrong! (See above posts on detals and background.)

Have fun! :)

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Originally Posted by Little Pet

Hello. I am new to this forum, but wanted to share my view on humiliation. I agree with most that blackmail is not something I find arousing. The victim is not a willing participant.

Humiliation is a whole other arena. My arousal cames from doing something, as one person said, I find morally offensive, or something I wouldn't do willingling on my own. I have served many a Master and Mistress who understand the nature of humiliating me.

Some examples of positions I've been put into: Forced to serve as a fuck toy at a stag party for the Master. Each man wrote on my body after using me degrading comments with a sharpie marker. Although most of the physical punishment was limited to slapping my ass and tits, along with pulling my nipples, I was forced to miss two days of work because of where they wrote on my body and the difficulty of removing the ink.

I once served a beautiful Black Mistress who had me act as a servant at a 'tea' party for her and 5 of her friends. I sucked all of their toes, cunts, and assholes, as well taking as multiple dildo fuckings in all three holes. They used large black strap ons so they could punish a white whore for catching the eyes of their men. They took great pleasure in calling me names, spitting in my mouth and on my face, and giving me a golden shower to teach me who was boss. I was slapped in the face, tits, and ass, had my nipples twisted, and beaten with a belt as I crawled on all fours to their amusement.

I enjoyed these and other sessions because I enjoyed being degraded. They were all consensual.

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Yes little pet,I think these experiences definently falls within the parameters of
Humiliation.Btw,you don't happen to have your own website where you are named Princess?

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Originally Posted by fantazmaster

Yes little pet,I think these experiences definently falls within the parameters of
Humiliation.Btw,you don't happen to have your own website where you are named Princess?

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No, but in the website of my dreams I am called many degrading names when I'm being abused.

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Originally Posted by slave802120

THE BLACKMAILER
(...)
"Oh woe! Woe is me! Whatever shall I do?" I cry.

"Call the police," my husband says.

The tone of his voice is flat and disinterested and he doesn't even look up from his cereal bowl or the morning paper in his hand.

"Oh. Yes, I never thought of that," I say.
(...)
The cops then bundle him into their car and speed off into the sunset.

The End
(c) 2005 by kinkabella

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:haha: kinkabella, you rock.

'Oh no!' quoth the erotica fantastica writer, 'It's the dreaded plausibility check!', and :exit: the fantastica writer goes... into the sunset.

Some plots need to shy the plausibility check like a Boggart shies away from laughter.
As erotica fantastica, they can be quite enjoyable though.

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

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Originally Posted by Ranai

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

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This sums it up perfecty.

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Originally Posted by Ranai

Anyway, the plausibility check means 'plausibility within the fictional framework'. As a writer you determine the parameters, the society, the rules, the possible consequences of this or that action or inaction. Blackmail fiction writers don't even need to invent reasons that would make sense in the real world; for the plot to work they merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work.

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Certainly true, but most blakmail fiction is set in the supposedly "real" world. Therefore many rules are already set because the reader knows something about the workings of the real world. In a purely fictional world anything goes.

In a world that deviates from ours in small but recognizable ways, the reader can not be sure that every rule that applies here is valid there but it still gives the story a "realistic" feeling because the worlds are so similar.
It is easier for the author to keep up the suspension of disbelief even in "implausible" situation.

Satan_Klaus

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Originally Posted by Satan_Klaus

Certainly true, but most blakmail fiction is set in the supposedly "real" world. Therefore many rules are already set because the reader knows something about the workings of the real world. In a purely fictional world anything goes.

In a world that deviates from ours in small but recognizable ways, the reader can not be sure that every rule that applies here is valid there but it still gives the story a "realistic" feeling because the worlds are so similar.
It is easier for the author to keep up the suspension of disbelief even in "implausible" situation.

Satan_Klaus

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Yes, within real world. But real in fictional sense. No in real 'real' sense (reality is just to bumpy and upredictable).
And yes, blackmail stories must be most realistic in all the genre.
But I must agree with Ranai, You could place your story in, say, Mars base, invent any absurd initial blackmail wrench and than you .. .

"merely need to invent reasons that function well in this particular fictional universe, and show the readers how and why they work."

Then we're back to humans and their relationships. Without that there's no blackmail/humiliation.

Can't agree that anything goes in purely fictional world. You still need "plausibility within the fictional framework" or if you prefer LeGuin's consistency rule: "No matter how preposterous your world is it must be consistent and you have to stick to it!"
Those "small deviations" can be great! P. Dick used that to keep the reader (and the characters) on the edge and whenever you perform 'reality check' he gives you another jolt. I'm not sure if something like that could be used in blackmail stores - but it would be interesting, certainly.


Have fun.

Pej

Hey, this is supposed to be Humiliation tread. :p

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Originally Posted by carrie

This isn't a story I'm in the midst of writing, it was just an example of what I think of as "true humiliation". I guess I posted this because I get so frustrated reading stories that start off with a humiliation theme and suddenly the woman is enjoying it. Maybe my fantasies are sick, but they are more true to life than most of the stories I read.

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Carrie, I suppose its about whether its "nc humiliation" or "consensual humiliation". I have written a story entitled Grace's Hard Lessons with blackmail and nc humiliation as themes - the style is intended to be realistic or 'true to life' as you put it. Would love to get your comments on it.

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Originally Posted by Powerone

If you look at a lot of my stories you will find the theme of humiliation in them. Even my first novel called "Teaching The Au Pair to Submit" is based on humilation and submission.

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Are you gonna do more (discipline & humiliation) stories?

I was browsing back through inactive threads and came upon this on with opinions on humiliation.

I have an interest in interrogation: a process in with humiliation plays a very important part. Just look at the techniques used in Iraq and Guantanamo.

Is any one else interestied in reviving this thread ?

I'd sure enjoy reading the origional story .... when and if it gets completed.... ;)

Ds

arrested as a suspected IRA courier is caught by the British Constabulary and taken to their barracks for ointerrpogation..............................

Will someone write a short account of her interrogation ? Here's her pic for starters. :bondage: