South Dakota's Anti-Aborion Laws

I do not recall the State, my apologies for that, but in the last few months, 1 state did pass an Anti-Abortion bill that includes NO ABORTIONS even if the life ofthe mother is at risk, rape or incest, but the bill was passed as a test for the Supreme Court to see if they would over-turn R v W
The fact anyway still remains that abortion is a private familt decision between a husband, wife and their doctor and the governemnt, be it local, state or federal simply has no right interferring with this type of personal descion, the goverment has no right to control the reproductive system of any female in this country (with the possible exception of say an 18 year old say still living with her family) and even then it should be a FAMILY & Medical descion, NOT a goverment descion

I am very pro-choice, but I think that abortion should be the very last option a woman should use. That being said, I find it very interesting that the so-called "pro-life" people want to force women of all ages to have babies whether they want to or not, then they turn their back on these babies and do not want to help the mother support them. And these same pro-life folks do not want to teach children about birth control, only abstinence. (These are also the same people who allow their 12 year-old daughters to dress up looking like hookers from the Avenue aka Paris Hilton!) High school and apparently some middle school kids are going to fuck -- teach them right from wrong at home and tell them not to have sex until they are older. But also tell them that IF they make the choice to have sex, they should be responsible about it. There is nothing romantic about being knocked up at 15 and having a kid at 16 and missing out on high school and college.

When I was student teaching I saw pregnant girls in high school and it was just wrong because a popular junior girl walking the hallways pregnant just gives a freshman girl the idea of how to be cool. I think the pregnant girl and the guy who knocked up her up should be in a special school away from other students and learning how to be parents along with their regular school work. Teach them skills so they can support themselves when they graduate. Without an education, you will never get ahead, especially if you drop out because you had two kids before you were 17!!

{{climbing down from soapbox}}

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Originally Posted by heycarrieanne

I am very pro-choice, but I think that abortion should be the very last option a woman should use. That being said, I find it very interesting that the so-called "pro-life" people want to force women of all ages to have babies whether they want to or not, then they turn their back on these babies and do not want to help the mother support them. And these same pro-life folks do not want to teach children about birth control, only abstinence. (These are also the same people who allow their 12 year-old daughters to dress up looking like hookers from the Avenue aka Paris Hilton!) High school and apparently some middle school kids are going to fuck -- teach them right from wrong at home and tell them not to have sex until they are older. But also tell them that IF they make the choice to have sex, they should be responsible about it. There is nothing romantic about being knocked up at 15 and having a kid at 16 and missing out on high school and college.

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Woh! You've made some very broad and sweeping statements there about pro-choicers. I certainly tend towards being one, yet very little, if any, of what you say here applies to me. I think there will always be varying degrees within any moral philosophy, therefore we can't assume everyone is the same, regardless of what 'labels' we tag them with.

I have various reason's for my feelings. Most are private, but I can tell you a good friend of mine's mother gave birth to her just two months short of her seventeen birthday, and you know, I'm kind of glad she did.

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Originally Posted by Alex Bragi

I have various reason's for my feelings. Most are private, but I can tell you a good friend of mine's mother gave birth to her just two months short of her seventeen birthday, and you know, I'm kind of glad she did.

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I think there are exceptions to every rule but over all I think most would agree that 16 is way too young to be having children. At 16 they are still a child themselves. That doesn't mean I believe that abortion should be used as a means of birth control.

Actually Alex, I made a lot of broad statements about pro-life people, not pro-choice people. I just believe that a woman knows what is best for her and it should be HER decision to make, she should not be forced into having a baby before she is ready to handle the responsibility for taking care of another human being. I can barely take care of my cat, I cannot imagine being a parent!

Sorry, that was my error, I meant to type 'pro-lifers' which is what I tend to be.

While my soapbox is still out, I will say how offended I am (in general--not anyone in specific here) by the use of the term "pro-life." Just because someone believes a woman has the right to choose, does that make them "pro-death"? No, it does not. I personally believe that abortion is the absolute last choice a woman should make, but it is HER choice! I do believe that birth control needs to be taught and explained in schools so that they are informed--boys as well as girls.

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Originally Posted by heycarrieanne

While my soapbox is still out, I will say how offended I am (in general--not anyone in specific here) by the use of the term "pro-life." Just because someone believes a woman has the right to choose, does that make them "pro-death"? No, it does not. I personally believe that abortion is the absolute last choice a woman should make, but it is HER choice! I do believe that birth control needs to be taught and explained in schools so that they are informed--boys as well as girls.

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Well, since I choose to call myself a "pro-lifer" (of sorts) this may possibly directed at me, so 'll answer here.

I'm sorry you feel 'offended', heycarrieanne. That certainly has not been my intention in use of that word.

I don't live in the States, but here in Australia, I have never heard the expression "pro-death' used in conjuction with abortion.

I wish to make it clear that I believe my opinions are just that. I release not everyone shares my "opinions", and particularly on this topic, but that's life (please, excuse that dreadful pun).

I reiterate, I have my reasons for said opinions, but no wish to share them here.

I would also like to reiterate a part of one of my previous posts to this thread: "Please, I do realise and understand that there will always be circumstances where abortion is the only option, as cheeseburger has already pointed out, but I just can't help feeling that it's becoming all too acceptable in our society."

From my point of view, this has been an interesting thread and I've appreciated the respectful and insightful way it's been dealt with it on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Alex Bragi

Well, since I choose to call myself a "pro-lifer" (of sorts) this may possibly directed at me, so 'll answer here.

I'm sorry you feel 'offended', heycarrieanne. That certainly has not been my intention in use of that word.

I don't live in the States, but here in Australia, I have never heard the expression "pro-death' used in conjuction with abortion.

I wish to make it clear that I believe my opinions are just that. I release not everyone shares my "opinions", and particularly on this topic, but that's life (please, excuse that dreadful pun).

I reiterate, I have my reasons for said opinions, but no wish to share them here.

I would also like to reiterate a part of one of my previous posts to this thread: "Please, I do realise and understand that there will always be circumstances where abortion is the only option, as cheeseburger has already pointed out, but I just can't help feeling that it's becoming all too acceptable in our society."

From my point of view, this has been an interesting thread and I've appreciated the respectful and insightful way it's been dealt with it on both sides.

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Alex,
I agree with everything you say that is defined in this post. Don't know beyond what I read but I do leave room for rape and incest to be able to play the abortion card. That is it in my opinion.

Sorry about not responding sooner, I was not at a loction I was able to access the internet.

When I indicated that it should be finacially difficult, I ment difficult. Not impossible. For instance, a woman who is on welfare, no income other than that. Her abortion would be far less expensive than say the college teen who has daddies money to take care of things. I think women should have to think about what they are doing rather than gamble with getting pregnant and dealing with it when it happens. Rape victims are another case entirely, and I feel that their abortion case would not require any funding at all. Rather be supplemented by the government, same as if she had the baby, and ended up on welfare because she couldnt get an abortion.

V/R
ID

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Originally Posted by IDCrewDawg

When I indicated that it should be finacially difficult, I ment difficult. Not impossible. For instance, a woman who is on welfare, no income other than that. Her abortion would be far less expensive than say the college teen who has daddies money to take care of things.
V/R
ID

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Do you really believe a girl's father should be responsible for his college student's abortion? I'm sure many daddies would help but they should not be forced to do so. When do adults become adults and be responsible for their own actions?

I didn't mean you, Alex! Everyone is entitled to their views and I respect that. But I also believe that one group of people should not be allowed to force their beliefs on another group. Part of the problem is that the various anti-abortion groups (is that better than pro-lifers?) tend to put out publications that lie. The numbers of abortions are not nearly as high as what they make them out to be. Many clinics are not just used for abortions, they are also used by women for annual check-ups and other gyn issues. The anti-abortion groups track these numbers and say that anyone who walks into a clinic that performs abortions is having an abortion, when in fact, they are not.

This is such a hot topic, I almost hate to discuss it. But, that being said -- how could anyone believe that a 14-year-old girl who has been raped should be forced to have that baby!

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Originally Posted by Warbaby1943

Do you really believe a girl's father should be responsible for his college student's abortion? When do adults become adults and be responsible for their own actions?

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I didnt say they were responsible, I said they took care of things. Pay for the car, pay for the credit card, pay for the books... and so on. And when she gets into trouble, they pay for that too. This would be considered an income for the girl, and if reported on taxes correctly would reflect in the amount the girl was required to finance to have the abortion.

I never said my idea was perfect either, was just an idea, a suggestion. Able to be changed added to, or taken away to optimize it. So if you see fault with what I have suggested. Thats fine, but don't critizise without having a solution.

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ID

My aunt still talks about a girl she knew in high school whose parents sent her TWICE to Europe for abortions! And about her best friend who thought she was pregnant (this was in the early 1970s) and her sister's friend told her that if she took a whole pack of birth control pills, she would miscarry. It worked but ... she also could have died from complications. My aunt, a good Catholic girl, said she is glad that abortion is legal because of all the girls who died getting butchered from back-alley abortionists.

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Originally Posted by IDCrewDawg

I didnt say they were responsible, I said they took care of things. Pay for the car, pay for the credit card, pay for the books... and so on. And when she gets into trouble, they pay for that too. This would be considered an income for the girl, and if reported on taxes correctly would reflect in the amount the girl was required to finance to have the abortion.

I never said my idea was perfect either, was just an idea, a suggestion. Able to be changed added to, or taken away to optimize it. So if you see fault with what I have suggested. Thats fine, but don't critizise without having a solution.

V/R
ID

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Sorry you took my comment as criticism. It was only an observation from what I read in your post. Truly not criticizing your ideas. I only know I for one wouldn't want to be held responsible for my kids fucking up. Especially if if they were of the age of reasoning.

Just want to ad something to what carrieanne said. I'm also pro-choice. That that does not mean that I'm a baby killer, which the pro-life groups like to perpetuate.

Roe v Wade was all about who's choice it should be, whether to have an abortion or not. The Supreme Court said it's the mother's and not the Government, and I agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Warbaby1943

Sorry you took my comment as criticism. It was only an observation from what I read in your post. Truly not criticizing your ideas. I only know I for one wouldn't want to be held responsible for my kids fucking up. Especially if if they were of the age of reasoning.

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I agree with you, I wouldnt want to be held responsible for my childs actions either. But I bet it happens in other situations not related to this one.

V/R
ID

Just a reminder:

Keep it friendly and respect one another :)

This is a touchy subject... don't want any feelings getting hurt.
Thanks guys.

Sera (anya)

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Originally Posted by wingsofanangel

Just a reminder:

Keep it friendly and respect one another :)

This is a touchy subject... don't want any feelings getting hurt.
Thanks guys.

Sera (anya)

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Huh? Did I miss something here? It all looks very civil and orderly to me.

I was just putting that in there... I didn't jump on anyone.. just a bit earlier it appeared a few people might have been getting feelings hurt or confused. Only wanted to remind everyone to keep it friendly... no harm in that.

Sera (anya)

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Originally Posted by Alex Bragi

Huh? Did I miss something here? It all looks very civil and orderly to me.

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Yep, everything looks fine here. Angel's just doing her job and poking her head in. I love this forum. Most places you go members would be flaming left and right. You folks manage to disagree like adults.

Okay now back to the topic.:)

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Originally Posted by Aesop

[snip] Most places you go members would be flaming left and right. You folks manage to disagree like adults.

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Precisely.

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Originally Posted by IDCrewDawg

I agree with you, I wouldnt want to be held responsible for my childs actions either. But I bet it happens in other situations not related to this one.

V/R
ID

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I know you're correct because I have seen it many times. Once I almost did it then realized my child had to learn to be an adult since his age said he should be one. I think he must have learned because today he is doing very well.