It is the altimate act of Submission.
Lose the Female Dom storys.
Big Turn off
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It is the altimate act of Submission.
Lose the Female Dom storys.
Big Turn off
It is NOT the ultimate act of submission to get oneself killed for one's or by one's dominant. The very idea that you would think so makes me wonder about you in terms of sanity.Quote:
Originally posted by bbeale7
It is the altimate act of Submission.
Lose the Female Dom storys.
Big Turn off
I'm sure that at least some of the other 8000+ members of the site and forums would like the femdom stories kept right where they are.
It does not have to be M/f I love F/f Allot more than Limp wristed
F/m
And your point is what exactly? That you are god of all you survey and no one else's opinion matters to you in your supremacy.Quote:
Originally posted by bbeale7
It does not have to be M/f I love F/f Allot more than Limp wristed
F/m
As I said before, yours is not the only opinion here. If you don't like femdom stories, don't read them.
Case closed. Sayonara.
A man submitting to a woman should not be considered as a "sissy boy" thing to do. It is damned hard to submitt to someone. Just because someone wants to reliquish control of themselves does not mean they are weak? Do you think that because a female submits that she is weak? If you so, then that is the most chauvanistic view I have heard of yet. And like my Master said...you don't like it, don't read it. No one is forcing you!!! But if something like snuff is going to stay, the they sure as hell aren't going to get rid of F/m stories just because you find them dull.
wow, haven't we discussed this, censoring one catagory, basically opens the doors to censoring all of them and then the site itself.
Codes are there, use em.
veru skjava
what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist statment.
I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.
It is only an Opinion not a mandate. No, I am not the Overlord.
I do not control this fine website. One of a very few that is Free.
I have supported this site and will in the future.
I am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.
I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.
Not that I would do that or try that.
I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.
On the issue of Snuff Storys to be truthfull. They are not that great. I can take or leave them.
But give me a story of an older women Dominating or controling a submissive yonger Female.
That turns my crank every time.
Again only a opinion
What would you prefer, that the Dommes that are into men do then?
Reminds me of when people thought male nurses were "gay" and as a person hospitalized quite often, I love the male nurses, they are in my opinion more compassionate and gentle at times then some of the females.
Kink is individual, and neither right nor wrong. As is interest in what fiction we read.
veru skjava
Do as they like. What ever makes them happy.
I was only stating my feelings. not any one elses.
I believe what got got up everyone's hackles was when you said "Lose the Female Dom storys.Big Turn off
To me, this makes it sound as if, just because you don't like them, they should be deleted. *shrugs* Same thing as wanting snuff deleted.
I mearly gave my vote. And My vote is Fem Dom story's are Gay
and not very erotic, In my opinion.
No that is not a mandate.
I have no power over any one.
No one should feel threatened.
Yes of course I will not read what I do not find exiting.
Lets start a Poll on what ellaments every one finds exiting.
Every one has a little thing.
Some find a well turned ankle aluring
Some people find a dead rabbit hot (not me)
laughing hard @ dead rabbit....
well ok and the ankle comment, as my master loves my ankles.. *smiles*
He also lives where the national and all time favorite dish is .... yep you guessed it...... rabbit (ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)
just had to laugh...
veru skjava
Hey, who wants to chew me up and eat me?:D
I volunteer Bun!Quote:
Originally posted by bunnyrabbit48
Hey, who wants to chew me up and eat me?:D
LMAO! This subject has sure gone to hell in a handbasket! I don't know what my definition of a "thread" was but rest assured it wasn't the tenuous filament connecting these disparate thoughts!
Someone mention a few people jumped off into differing subjects (such as the one a mentioned: pedophilia). While I didn’t find my comparison between like forms of censorship ‘wandering off the subject’, for the life of me I can’t find labeling male submissive fiction as “gay” related to the topic of banning snuff stories in any way, shape or form. Call me dense but this thread seems to be becoming rather ‘thread-bare’ the longer it’s allowed to digress.
The original subject remains relevant: should some form of censorship be allowed to permeate the hallowed realms of BDSM Library for any reason whatsoever. And again I state that responsible adults may choose what they wish to read, write or personally edit from their lives without denying others the right to do likewise. I have all sorts of personal likes and dislikes (none of which need be alliterated here); they are merely personal decisions to enjoy as the purview of my entertainment. I will assume that America’s highly cherished “freedom of choice” is honoured in cyberspace as if it were American soil (admittedly, a blatantly nationalistic bias but what the fuck? I’m a freakin’ American).
As for bbeale’s statement: “what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist (sic) statment (sic)”, I find that manner of sexist ‘gender-grouping’ much more offensive than the original topic since I am both a male and a gentleman (albeit, one passionately interested in ‘rape fantasy’). But that’s just “my humble opinion…”
By the way, bunnyrabbit48, do I need to chew you to eat you or may I just savour you as I would an oyster? Just curious.:p
bbeale7
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You asked for an opinion, I gave one
what do you expect from a guy. Of course it is a chovanist statment.
I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.
It is only an Opinion not a mandate. No, I am not the Overlord.
I do not control this fine website. One of a very few that is Free.
I have supported this site and will in the future.
I am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.
I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.
Not that I would do that or try that.
I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.
On the issue of Snuff Storys to be truthfull. They are not that great. I can take or leave them.
But give me a story of an older women Dominating or controling a submissive yonger Female.
That turns my crank every time.
Again only a opinion
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Well Dog.
Who would have ever thunk?
Okay, so maybe I was a way bit to hard on him. Sorry, I forget for a moment that this is all strictly opinions. And even though I do not agree with him, this sticky freedom of screech that we are all fighting to protect. Gives him the right to have an opinion that I do not agree with. So sorry friend. I'll sheath my claws and stop hissing at you.
LOL
Ronnie.
bbeale7
Actually, I have just thought twice about my comments; they were in response to these statements:
<<I did say I found A women submiting to an other Women more erotic than a Man Dominating a Women.
am sorry but in my humble opinion A Man submiting to a woman is "Gay" Not that there is any thing wrong with that. as Sinfield said.
I guess I am a closet queer becouse I have Read quite a few forced fem storys and Like them.
I think it is more a Lesby thing than a power exchange.>>
However, my comments would be even more off topic than these were, so I'll pass. I'm sure it'll come up again somewhere else.
I don't like snuff fantasies. As long as I am informed beforehand and I am not surprised by them or lured into reading a story I see no reason to delete or refuse them.
But I am still repulsed even when thinking about it...
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[B]Let's Get Bacl To The Subject, Shall We???[/h
The question is still very much active, gentlefolk. Should we or should we not allow stories involving snuff to be welcome in this site?
And I still am going with the majority that still stand on free speech. Censorship is just a big ugly dog, that I don't think we should take out of his cage.
Okay, there, I think I've took the subject and turned to back around to where I think we should have stayed.
Now I'm not naming names, and Goddess knows I dragged this thread off more than once. But, hopefully, I think we can go back on with the subject.
V.L. Marquette.
I concur of no censorship--use the codes and don't read what you don't want to--kinda like how I turn off Rush Limbaugh when he's on a tirade...
Ditto Keep the snuff and the gay F/m storysQuote:
Originally posted by BruceBoxer
I concur of no censorship--use the codes and don't read what you don't want to--kinda like how I turn off Rush Limbaugh when he's on a tirade...
I am of the opinion that if you have to delete one "offensive thing" then you have to delete them all. I am sure that there is one person who finds at least one thing offensive in the stories, and if we were to delete that subject everytime some had a problem...well the problem then would be no stories. :)
I agree, use the codes, get familiar with what they mean so that you can know what the stories involve BEFORE you open it. :)
What more can you say than agree 100%.
i had started to write a long speel but, what for?
i'm off to the Kennels now, then our Dairy. What a beautiful, sunny day.
Bye (smile) ... then the vegetable garden.
Again a quote, and a rather good one at that.
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Keep everyting I am of the opinion that if you have to delete one "offensive thing" then you have to delete them all. I am sure that there is one person who finds at least one thing offensive in the stories, and if we were to delete that subject everytime some had a problem...well the problem then would be no stories.
I agree, use the codes, get familiar with what they mean so that you can know what the stories involve BEFORE you open it.
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See that was blunt and to the point. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. I like that in a person.
V.L. Marquette
I always say what I mean and mean what I say....even if it gets me into trouble sometimes *chuckles* Basically, I can see it from a writer's point of view, even though I don't write erotica. I write what I like and there are sufficient amounts of people who like my work, so I keep on going, despite the nay-sayers
This quoting everyone is getting a bit tiresome. But the only way I know that every one else knows what I am talking about is to quote. So I quote.
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I always say what I mean and mean what I say....even if it gets me into trouble sometimes *chuckles* Basically, I can see it from a writer's point of view, even though I don't write erotica. I write what I like and there are sufficient amounts of people who like my work, so I keep on going, despite the nay-sayers
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Well I do happen to be a writer of erotica, and so I am personally interested in the censorship thing. No, I am not big on snuff, never could see anything sexy about it. But 'hey' what ever floats you boat, ya know?
ps. hon, I usually go by Ronnie, the only reason I signed off as V.L. Marquette is it somehow makes what ever I am saying look a tad more serious.
Ronnie
None of these stories are real. If they don't appeal to you (as they don't particularly appeal to me) then don't read them. To remove any stories from a site designed to let people write about "Kinky" things is, as the title of this post says, taking the "Kink" out of "Kinky".
Drake.
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Unquestionably, the most wicked and gruesome story I have ever read in recent times is 'three ladies at sea' by Dante. I think it is available thru' BDSM Libraries.
At over 300kb. of many poor females being sexually destroyed for the apparent pleasure of the paying customers. Depicting horrid situations that I would NEVER even contemplate in real Life. Infact, I would probably end up deceased in a most unpleasant way. I read every brilliantly written word. Took a week and I guiltily enjoyed it.
Let the interminal saga of 'snuff' rage on. (smile)
As a writer whose stories are coded in the snuff category, I want to say that I understand and sympathise with people who dislike reading extremely violent stories in which women are brutally attacked and killed. I feel the same way.
So why are my stories coded as snuff? My subject matter deals with stronger female fantasies, usually consensual or at least semi-consensual, where the outcome is often the death of a female character in the story. I don't feel that my writing is on the same planet as the more objectionable variety, but all the same, I want to give readers some warning, and snuff is the only code this site has available for that purpose.
I do object to the suggestion that 'snuff' material is necessarily badly written. Good writing exists in every category on this site, including 'snuff'. There is also a lot of stuff in that category that will not be to everyone's taste.
I also have codes that I avoid, such as 'scat' which instantly turns me off.
The reason for having a personal dislike for a particular story is not always a question of degree, but one of attitude or philosophy. I don't get on with stuff about abusing women, especially where a woman is abused for the selfish gratification of the abuser. The abuse does not have to involve mutilation or death for me to find it objectionable. I don't complain about it. I just avoid it, and I also avoid threads in the Forum that deal with things I don't like.
What I am interested in happens to be stuff that women like, and it is a fact that many women enjoy violent fantasies. Many prefer them non-consensual but consensual, submissive fantasies that emphasise the female perspective are far more interesting to me, psychologically.
Removing that kind of fantasy material entirely would remove stuff that is enjoyed by many people of both sexes. It is important to understand that these stories are fiction. They come from the imagination of the author, but cannot be assumed to represent the behaviour of the author in everyday life.
People enjoy these stories for the same kind of reasons that they like to watch horror movies, or go on scary rides in theme parks.
Spitman, it's clear from your response that at least one of the snuff story writers writes well. I appreciate that you replied to this topic with such eloquence. (Did I spell that correctly? LOL!)
As another onf of those writers who write non-consensual stories, I agree with much of what you said. I have received numerous requests for private stories and some for public posts of that variety as well. However, I simply can't add anything like snuff into a story I write and I've never been asked to.
Obviously, the rape stories I have written and posted here involve brutality and violence. I'd be a fool not to admit as much. But I have yet to get a request for a person to be "killed". Are you saying that there are women you know that actually want to read about the death of a woman in a story? If so, you are getting requests or responses I certainly haven't seen. Regarding your writing not being "on the same planet as the more objectionable variety", I really wouldn't know since I can't compare stories I haven't read! But I'd love to hear your take on what makes a story one of "the more objectionable variety". Are there stories in here that deal with more violence than death??? LOL!
I find this comment: "The reason for having a personal dislike for a particular story is not always a question of degree, but one of attitude or philosophy" to be particularly apt since few people will disagree with it. It's just that the degree you write about is death. So, it would seem as though you truly see the opinions of the anti-snuff movement but fail to see that your argument is precisely the reason snuff stories are such dreaded stories for many people: there just isn't a commonly held philsophy that murder is a great turn-on, regardless of how well it's written.
Spitman, I, for one, appreciate hearing your opinion as I haven't heard too many of them from your point-of-view. In fact, yours is the ONLY one that actually makes the point without just hammering in a 'gut feeling' of preferences. Unfortunately, your opinion of the merits of snuff stories seems to be the only one available as well. Does that seem to indicate a serious amount of interest in reading or writing them?
I will never - EVER - begrudge your right to write whatever you choose to write and I appreciate the fact that you are careful to code your stories correctly. I simply see that you and I must agree to disagree on the worth of this form of freedom of expression. And long live our right to say and write whatever we choose.
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Originally Posted by Spitman
Something Spitman didn't mention in his post was that his snuff is consentual, involving people (usually women) who get turned on by being eaten. There are at least two other authors who post similar stories in the Library. Before I was directed to the Library, I found an entire site made up of nothing but cannibalism stories (mostly consentual). Hundreds of them. Unfortunately, I've lost the URL for it (and for a superhero S&M site).
Is'nt "snuff" the ultimate limit? I seriously doubt anyone in their right mind would want to be killed for the sexual pleasure of another. Nor do I think anyone, again in their right mind, would want to kill someone for their sexual pleasure.
It's kind of like a rape fanasty, just because you have one does'nt mean your going to go out and rape someone - or want to be actually raped.
Some of the stories that involve snuff are pretty good, the Gor parody comes to mind, :p but some of it is truly awful. :eek:
Personally I find some of dolcetts artwork to be interesting, but have no desire to commit such acts.
:p F/m stories are not gay. Female + male = straight. And F/m stories are my favourite. There should be more of them, not less!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mobius
I say keep the snuff; just because it doesn't appeal to some doesn't mean those who enjoy reading/writing it should miss out. Snuff is a turn off for me, and I generally avoid it (not hard to do, there isn't that much of it). But I have read a couple (I have an open mind and like to read things at least once). Same with scat - it's a total turn off, but when mixed with a good long story with more enjoyable elements (such as F/m), it can add to the plot and character development (or be forgotten). And (very rarely) I will read a story with something I dislike as the main theme, just for the idea behind it (the idea has to be relatively new to me).
Too right mate, fantasy is a way of experiencing things which in ordinary life would be impossible or the consequences too undesirable. Murdering someone has the undesirable consequences of permanently damaging a healthy persons mind (take people who have gone to war) and the huge risk of life imprisonment. Therefore most murderers have damaged minds. The few who don't are ones who are of sound mind and convince themselves murder is the only way to protect themselves (and it really was the only way, i.e. they aren't paranoid). Pre-meditated murders (in peace-time) are often (if not always) done by people with damaged minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob.wilson
I believe that we should take away very few choices. Even then, most of the time we have only imposed negative consequences and haven't really taken away the choice (e.g. murder, people still CAN murder, but they CHOOSE not to).
NOTE: I have read a bit on philosophy and pyschology, but I am not a reliable source, so don't quote what I have written above as fact. :cool:
LaJan,
You obviously haven't picked up that death and murder are not at all the same thing. Murder implies that someone has carried out a brutal attack on a victim, but death can occur without any such thing happening, and in the case of consensual participation in a scenario that results in death, there does not have to be another participant at all. However suicide does not describe it accurately either, since the participant may simply have a different priority, namely her own sexual gratification. I think that explains sufficiently well why my interest is very different from what anyone would justifiably describe as murder.
Neither have I. The fact that you make that comment suggests that you expect erotic fiction to be a reflection of what you would do in everyday life.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob.wilson
This is all about fantasy. Fantasy does not have to have limits, precisely because it is not about anything that the writer, or the reader for that matter, might condone, be tempted to do or even take pleasure in, if it happened in the everyday world.
I agree, it's the 'fantasy' element that is key. I find a good snuff story very erotic, especially nc and nasty ones. For me it represents one of the most potent acts in erotic fiction, I can entirely divorce this from reality, (although I initially found my fantasies extremely disturbing) as I believe we define ourselves by what we DO rather than what we THINK and I find myself doing the opposite in real life. The way I see it is that you get the best of both worlds this way.
As with anything else here or in life in general – don’t like it? Don’t take part in it! For as long as it does not harm anyone (and written fantasy dos not!) why would we deprive those that do enjoy it? There is plenty I do not care for and that even disgust me. No one forces me to read. Everyone of us should enjoy what appeals to them and leave others to their own tastes.
I was just reading through this thread again, and I think that law pertains to the actual criminals. There is no such law pertaining to an independent (even if she did marry him) to write a book and sell it. She did not commit the crimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryWilcox
i feel people should be aloud to post snuff stories
even thou i don t like most of them.
i have read a few stories with a small snuff content
and if in keeping with a storie line i feel it should be aloud.
we would lose a lot of good writers.
I'd have to agree with your concerns about the level of violence that we see written. It is not much different than the level of violence that we see elsewhere in our culture. The written word has always been the most powerful of mediums, and the present is no different.
Luckily we were born free people and don't have to listen to or view things that disturb us or that we simply care to shut out. That's about personal choice and resposibility. Don't blame others for what you decided to view.
putz
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Originally Posted by hairdresser