Why are so many BDSM girls fat and ugly??

Well, I finally have to tell my opinion as well.
From my own experience I can only tell, that there is no such thing as a preference for me. My partners were both overweight and slim, but they ALWAYS were beautiful. For the time being I prefere small tits, in former times I preferred larger ones. So I'm not even able to tell you what "beauty" means to me. Of course there are poeple out there which make me turn my head. But I always find it amusing how different they look. I still haven't found out what it is that makes me look twice. But it's definitely not waht is called the "perfect" look. Most of the times it's right that, that makes me look away.

Good on you, Mr JerseyGuy, for staying in shape. Personally, I can't be bothered. Much like your beer bellied customers at the bar, I expect. There probably isn't the same incentive for men to stay in shape as there is for women. Looks are probably irrelevant to the kinds of things women value, like kindness, competence, being clean, not being a jerk, not being moody, being independent, not needing to be mothered/babysat.

In my experience of guys though, for all they make a big deal about how women look, they are just so easy to pick up and hook. When chemistry strikes a lot of guys seem to lose their sight. That's the irony of how this thread started, that manwhore was looking at online, and presumably getting aroused by, the very same (fat and ugly) women that he was deriding.

The other thing about women and men is that they probably get "fat and ugly", if indeed they go this way, over a long period of time. By that time, they are probably in a fairly good relationship and the history and bond,(not to mention the effort they have made to work on their sexual preferences together), far outweigh what either of them look like 10 or 20 years on.

Aaah, I see a great future for the fat and ugly, of either sex, as poster pin ups on the web.

Ok, this may be the wine talking but,

for fucks sake.......who's business is it anyway? If you ain't doing 'em, why care? Really?

If I'm not sleeping with you, I don't give a damn what you think of my looks.

I spent 12 years working in strip clubs. It takes all freakin' kinds. And there is always, always someone who is standing around talkin' about what is wrong with you. Your never good enough, never tall enough, never what is considered "perfect" to one or many and the drop dead bombshell to 50,000 others.
That is just the way life goes. So trying to match some ideal perfect vision in someone elses head is flippin' ludicrous. NEWSFLASH-
SAME DAMN PROBLEM IN THE VANILLA WORLD. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Manwhore
Have you ever noticed that many girls into BDSM are fat and quite unattractive???

I beleive many of these women succumb to BDSM as a result of not being able to get any "normal" sex from guys and thus are forced to do BDSM to get attention

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Aha. I for one, AGREE. Im sorry, the BDSM life we see here is sort of like a flaking, a crust to the UGLIER side, where fat women crush men in sex and.. oh god *faints*

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Originally posted by Alex Anderson
Aha. I for one, AGREE. Im sorry, the BDSM life we see here is sort of like a flaking, a crust to the UGLIER side, where fat women crush men in sex and.. oh god *faints*

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Well, Alex, as one of those guys with the "ugly, fat woman" I take offense to that statement.

The neat thing is, though, that as one of those guys that's also a moderator of this site, I can make you disappear, along with all your posts.

So, why don't you do yourself, the members here and me all a favor and take you immature, no account, probably only 13 year old ass and get it the fuck off this site. Otherwise, if I see you here, posting anymore of this kind of bonehead shit, I'll take personal pleasure in banning you and making all your little-minded posts disappear.

Bye now. :[

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Originally posted by pandemonium
You're never good enough, never tall enough, never what is considered "perfect" to one or many and the drop dead bombshell to 50,000 others. That is just the way life goes. So trying to match some ideal perfect vision in someone elses head is flippin' ludicrous. NEWSFLASH- SAME DAMN PROBLEM IN THE VANILLA WORLD.

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So very true. Those who want to heed wise words are paying attention

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I for one, AGREE. Im sorry, the BDSM life we see here is sort of like a flaking, a crust to the UGLIER side, where fat women crush men in sex and.. oh god *faints*

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I just wonder, Alex, what kind of experiences you have had to hold such a view. Maybe you should share that with the rest of the forum.

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Originally posted by Jones, Nikka
I just wonder, Alex, what kind of experiences you have had to hold such a view. Maybe you should share that with the rest of the forum.

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Or maybe he could just not be insulting to the larger women in our membership and not flagrantly violate the Code of Conduct in any of his future posts.

I think that would be better.

Because if he's just going to insult people and make a nuisance of himself, I don't want to even know what his experiences are.

Since when were you Adolf Hitler? I am not intending to be as cruel as the topic poster, but i believe in general he is correct. Ban me if you wish.

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Originally posted by BDSM_Tourguide
Well, Alex, as one of those guys with the "ugly, fat woman" I take offense to that statement.

The neat thing is, though, that as one of those guys that's also a moderator of this site, I can make you disappear, along with all your posts.

So, why don't you do yourself, the members here and me all a favor and take you immature, no account, probably only 13 year old ass and get it the fuck off this site. Otherwise, if I see you here, posting anymore of this kind of bonehead shit, I'll take personal pleasure in banning you and making all your little-minded posts disappear.

Bye now. :[

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I don't think Tourguide has a problem with your opinion at all, I think me probably just believes you could've worded it better, that's all.

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Originally posted by Alex Anderson
Since when were you Adolf Hitler? I am not intending to be as cruel as the topic poster, but i believe in general he is correct. Ban me if you wish.

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I'm not being a facist dictator, but I am making you aware that there is a Code of Conduct here at this site and in it, it asks for people not to be insulting of other members on the forums.

Now, even though people have requested that this obviously vulgar and thoughtless thread be closed, I have allowed it to remain as a topic for discussion because it actually took on a thought-provoking conversational atmosphere. This served two purposes, in my opinion. First, it allowed something usually only discussed delicately to be discussed under and indelicate flag so people were more likely to communicate their views. Second, it thumbed the general nose at the thread creator, who was only looking to stir people up and create turmoil. That works just fine for me.

And, if you feel he is correct, then don't look at the pictures. Keep your negative comments to yourself. I don't want to hear them and neither do the people with the guts enough to post them to this site. In fact, if you bothered to read the Personal Photography thread, you'd see that it comes with its own set of rules. One of which is to not be insulting to the people posting or the people within the photographs taken. The resultant action should have been an immediate ban for you and the removal of all your posts from these forums. Consider yourself lucky for even getting a warning. The guy that started this thread did not.

So, if you want to play nice and share well with others, by all means continue to post threads like your Latex Rot one. If you want to be an asshole and get kicked, then keep posting replies like the one quoted here and the reply previously posted in this thread. There, you now have a polite reminder to not say anything if you can't say anything nice.

Sieg heil!

WHY DO I GET THE FEELING ITS GETTING QUITE PERSONELL OUT HERE?

and a Question:

Do the rules of conduct apply for the MODERATORS too?

All right, as long as someone else has brought this up...

The last part of this thread, starting with Alex Anderson's first post here, is a sterling example of the problem I have with the Code of Conduct. When I read that post, I laughed and thought that it was witty enough that I 'search'ed for his previous posts to see what I was missing. Tourguide reads the same post, and issues the guy a warning. I actually felt Alex's reply to the warning was much more offensive than his original post was (which still makes me grin: "...a flaking, a crust to the UGLIER side, where fat women crush men in sex and.. oh god *faints*" -- sounds to me like he's jealous!).

Then Tourguide, applying the 'straw man' theory of argumentation as he is wont to do, goes off on this: "And, if you feel he is correct, then don't look at the pictures. Keep your negative comments to yourself. I don't want to hear them and neither do the people with the guts enough to post them to this site. In fact, if you bothered to READ the Personal Photography thread, you'd see that it comes with its own set of rules. One of which is not to be insulting to the people posting or the people within the photographs taken. The resultant action should have been an immediate ban for you..."

This absolutely astounded me. I rushed off to the Personal Photography thread to find out what Alex could have said to bring on such a reaction and found...nothing. Not even a notice of a deleted post. As near as I can tell, unless Tourguide was reacting to something that had been deleted, he invented an insulting remark, put it in Alex's mouth, then castigated him for it. And this is not the first time he's done that. Alex never mentions either photos posted here or the Personal Photography thread in any of his seven posts, and he certainly never insulted either 'the people posting or the people within the photographs taken'.

In Alex's line, "Im sorry, the BDSM life we see here', the word 'here' clearly refers to the quotation immediately preceding, which he went to the trouble of including so that no one could mistake his meaning.

And that's what I don't like about the Code of Conduct. Alex Anderson gets threatened with a ban over something he didn't do, while Mobius insults people left and right (not since Christmas, though -- good for you) and faces no consequences whatsoever. It was suggested by someone I was having an exchange with in a thread in the upper part of the Forum that humor could be a defense against a charge of violating the Code, but it sure didn't work for Alex.

However, Curtis, I did not find the post humorous myself. To say that women that are in BDSM are fat and ugly implies that I am fat an ugly because am I not a woman involved in BDSM?

Yes, I know that I am larger than what many consider beautiful, but that does not mean that posts such as Alex's do not affect me and my feelings...joke or no joke. I found the post's tone to be mocking and derrogatory and I did not find any humor in it at all... but perhaps you did Curtis since it was not you who was being insulted. People seem to find humor and entertainment in the bruising of other's emotions it seems...which I find very sad.

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Since when were you Adolf Hitler? I am not intending to be as cruel as the topic poster, but i believe in general he is correct. Ban me if you wish.

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Originally posted by BDSM_Tourguide
I'm not being a facist dictator, but I am making you aware that there is a Code of Conduct ...
... There, you now have a polite reminder to not say anything if you can't say anything nice.
Sieg heil!

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When I first read Alex Anderson's post I found it misinformed, a bit broad and likely to insult some readers. I wondered why he posted such comment and even asked about it. Yet, is it surprising that he lashed back like that after BDSM_Tourguide reacted the way he did?

And most important, where is this thread going if the Supermoderator uses "Sieg Heil!" as a signature for a "polite reminder". I am sure both will say that the allusions to Nazy dictatorship were made with irony or sarcasm but even that is insulting to some, if not most readers

Peace!

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And most important, where is this thread going if the Supermoderator uses "Sieg Heil!" as a signature for a "polite reminder". I am sure both will say that the allusions to Nazy dictatorship were made with irony or sarcasm but even that is insulting to some, if not most readers

Peace!

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It's alright TG, I'm not insulted--know where you're coming from; however, I keep having to look back top to see what the heck this thread is about (short little span of attention). If you are worried about offending some by signing off with [I]Sieg Heil[I] when you're accused of being a Nazi, perhaps you can use one of my personal favorites, "Bite me."

... I will just say that I found no humour whatsoever in Alex's post. I found it offensive.

Wt: It's not personal. I just don't like people carrying on by being openly insulting on these forums. Yes, perhaps my "no account" comment was out of line and I should retract it. However, that is all I will feel unjust about posting. In my opinion, making fun or being insulting to someone because of their weight is immature.

Curtis: The "here" comment to which you refer, I took to mean here, as in, in the BDSM Library Forums. If that's the case, then I take heavy exception to the statement made. My wife is overweight, but she's surely not "fat and ugly" by any stretch of the imagination. If people can't see beyond the skin, then I don't want to read their opinions.

Nikka: The last time I checked, I was not a baby-killing, genocidal fascist with world domination fantasies. So, yes, I took a lot of offense at being called one. I have never locked a child, elderly person, Jew, Slav, Gypsy, infirm, mentally handicapped or deformed person in an oven and burned them to death. I'm sure you might be offended if you were accused of that, too, as calling someone Hitler would imply. So, yes, my remark was sarcastic and justifiably so, given the context by which I was insulted. Why would you want to defend someone that accuses others of being genocidal, megalomaniacal sociopaths?

Bruce: You're right. I probably should have just said "Bite me." Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.


Now, if anyone has to say on the subject of weight, personality and how they relate to BDSM, then please continue.

OK I usually keep quiet and stay out of these conflicts because I am supposed to be submissive after all, but this time I am saying something.

Alex's post was insulting and TG's original response was extreme in its language. There is a need for restraint on both sides.

Alex, have you ever thought that some things are better left unsaid, for they do nobody any good and hurt some people.
You tried to dissipate what you said with humor, but it was still insulting.
It also hurt you indirectly. You will find few people here or elsewhere that would be sympathetic to you and agree with your insulting others. This is not a good way to start a relationship with the others here on the forum.

Tourguide, you did your job as moderator, but the language you used in your original response was insulting and offensive and not in keeping with your role.

Tourguide stated:
" So, why don't you do yourself, the members here and me all a favor and take you immature, no account, probably only 13 year old ass and get it the fuck off this site. Otherwise, if I see you here, posting anymore of this kind of bonehead shit, I'll take personal pleasure in banning you and making all your little-minded posts disappear."

Moderation please Moderator.

It would appear to me that although Whippit (or whatever his name was) was banned for it, if his true goal was to create turmoil and conflict...he succeeded

I wouldn't consider it turmoil...I thought of it as more "heated debate". Either way, he caused a mass discussion on the topic.

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I wouldn't consider it turmoil...I thought of it as more "heated debate". Either way, he caused a mass discussion on the topic.

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B]I don't see NO discussion ON THE (original) SUBJECT!
Instead I see a fight about WHAT is one allowed to say freely.[/[/B]

C'mon people: You are all into hurting people or getting hurt or dominate someone or submit to someone or humiliate someone or get humiliated by someone...

And you expect that when talking about it this won't occur???

You've gotta be kidding!

For some people it might even be a thrill to play edgy... Who said words can't be edgy?
They sting as bad as any cat'o'nine or single tale, anytime when used probably!

Now this Forum is Cyberspace, right? How can you truly expect those word-man (or women!) not to whip with words? They'll do it, at least once in a while - and its okay... this is the BDSM-LIBRARY-FORUM, forgot???

Now when someone gets hurt, stand up and say so. Any grown up individual will give you sorrow and shelter, and help you overcome your pain and pick you up again. Just like you'd do in a session where something went wrong. (That never happened to YOU? GIVE ME A BREAK, BIG FELLA, LADY WOW!)

So what is wrong asking a question like the original one???

One could raise so many questions:

Supposedly statistics say that people who are drawn into BDSM as adults have been abused as Childs to an above average rate than adults from any other groups not enjoying BDSM as adults.

Now must asking such questions as a thread-starter like "Why is it that people who have been abused in their childhood are drawn into BDSM Lifestyle as adults? automatically drive the community and the moderators into a "You'll be banned if you insult people... hey I know someone who might be insulted by that statement/question ... I'm insulted by that question, take it back!"-mode?

Why not openly discuss the subject, maybe there is something to it for us to reveal!

Talking about the subject and a question that has no definite answer yet, might make us all smarter because while talking we may just come up with an answer!

Fighting about a question of conduct is not getting anybody anywhere!

Stating "and it is still spinning" pissed half of the human race off (all Vatican ruled Christians at least) and therefore was definitely insulting to all who were living their quiet life back in those days. But it was still true and both was very likely: that you'd insult the people as well as the mighty of those days and consequently ended up being tortured by the Spanish Inquisition.
But it was well worth the result: ALL did benefit from the answers that were brought up just because somebody raised that question!

Lets not call each other names but -damn!- allow to raise questions and let the community discuss things that are of interest to them! (Which is most likely the case if someone starts a thread raising such question).

Cutting subjects like this off (just because someone might or is offended) makes the BDSM community no better than those who still call us perverts!

Remember what we tend to tell people who call our activities pervers and sick and all?
Yes, we tell 'em to mind their own business, to look away!
So if there is a thread about something that someone out there just might take as an insult... tell that someone to stay away from that particular thread, look into other threads that are more like it for that someone. There are examples of threads where this works just fine (e.g. the thread on scat - people who feel offended don't read, don't post there)

So, let's not call each other names, let's not fight about codes of conducts (hey, this ain't the Ed Sullivan Show!) lets talk about the subjects instead!

Glad to get comments.

By the way, what was the question? ;)

Wt

The original question was, "Why are so many BDSM girls fat and ugly??"

If you're serious about wanting an answer to that, I'd have to side with pandemonium. In America, at least, most BDSM girls are fat and ugly because most humans are fat and ugly and all BDSM girls are human.

I really think that this issue is about played out. The thread was started to cause trouble, and Whipit/Manwhore must be laughing his ass off.

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I don't see NO discussion ON THE (original) SUBJECT!
Instead I see a fight about WHAT is one allowed to say freely.

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Where do you see a fight about what what one is allowed to say freely?

And before you answer that, head over to the General Talk section and read the updated Code of Conduct.

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Originally posted by WANDA's_toy
C'mon people: You are all into hurting people or getting hurt or dominate someone or submit to someone or humiliate someone or get humiliated by someone...

And you expect that when talking about it this won't occur???

You've gotta be kidding!

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No. I 'm not kidding. I don't want to see people get insulted on these forums. There's a firm difference between humiliation and degradation. Just like there's a difference between BDSM and abuse.

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Originally posted by WANDA's_toy
For some people it might even be a thrill to play edgy... Who said words can't be edgy?
They sting as bad as any cat'o'nine or single tale, anytime when used probably!

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You're right, they can. However, it's how you use your words that indicates the effect they will have. Calling someone fat and ugly or stupid or a big ugly cow is NOT humiliation. It's degradation, pure and simple and that, my friend, is verbal abuse

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Now this Forum is Cyberspace, right? How can you truly expect those word-man (or women!) not to whip with words? They'll do it, at least once in a while - and its okay... this is the BDSM-LIBRARY-FORUM, forgot???

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So? What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Are you trying to say that just because we're online that we don't deserve to be treated and respected like 'normal' people do?

Or are you trying to say that, just because we are members of a BDSM community that we should just expect to be treated like shit and accept it?

Please clarify that statement for me, so I can understand better and not go with my first instinct on this, which is to get really offended.

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Originally posted by WANDA's_toy
Now when someone gets hurt, stand up and say so. Any grown up individual will give you sorrow and shelter, and help you overcome your pain and pick you up again. Just like you'd do in a session where something went wrong. (That never happened to YOU? GIVE ME A BREAK, BIG FELLA, LADY WOW!)

So what is wrong asking a question like the original one???

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What's wrong with it? Well, first off, it's insulting. Secondly, it violates the Code of Conduct. Thirdly, it refers to the members here in a derrogatory sense and insinuates that the women here are not beautiful, each in their own way. There's a big difference between asking why women in BDSM are all fat and ugly and asking why some women in BDSM are overweight or may not take care of themselves. The devil is in the details.

It's not the question that's the issue, it's how the question was raised in the first place. Had it been asked in a manner which was not outright insulting and degrading, then it probably would have been fine for discussion. As it is, it works okay, although a lot of people are put off by the title of the thread.

Try this at home: Walk up to your mistress, look her right in the eye and ask her why she's a fat, ugly sow and see how she reacts. That should give you some indication of what was wrong with the original question. (Not that I'm saying she is, I'm just using this as a hypothetical example.)

Besides, as has been stated before, the person that started this thread has shown up in several different nicknames and always started trouble. He's been banned. It doesn't matter what his name is. His nickname wasn't banned, the person was. There is a difference, contrary to what you might believe.

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One could raise so many questions:

Supposedly statistics say that people who are drawn into BDSM as adults have been abused as Childs to an above average rate than adults from any other groups not enjoying BDSM as adults.

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Statistically speaking, it is true. Many women in the BDSM lifestyle are abused ealier in life. Whether that is the 'cause' of their interest in BDSM or simply just something that shaped their lives is a topic for another discussion

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Now must asking such questions as a thread-starter like "Why is it that people who have been abused in their childhood are drawn into BDSM Lifestyle as adults? automatically drive the community and the moderators into a "You'll be banned if you insult people... hey I know someone who might be insulted by that statement/question ... I'm insulted by that question, take it back!"-mode?

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It doesn't, because that would genuinely interest people as a topic for discussion. In fact, I think I will start that thread when I am done here.

As for being insulting, the CoC is pretty clear on that.

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Why not openly discuss the subject, maybe there is something to it for us to reveal!

Talking about the subject and a question that has no definite answer yet, might make us all smarter because while talking we may just come up with an answer!

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I agree. Let's openly discuss the topic. That's why this thread, and others, are here. So, the subject matter can be discussed.

There's nothing at all wrong with discussion. There's plenty wrong with outright abuse.

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Fighting about a question of conduct is not getting anybody anywhere!

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Who's fighting about questions of conduct?

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Lets not call each other names but -damn!- allow to raise questions and let the community discuss things that are of interest to them! (Which is most likely the case if someone starts a thread raising such question).

Cutting subjects like this off (just because someone might or is offended) makes the BDSM community no better than those who still call us perverts!

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What are you talking about? You did happen to notice that this thread was still in existence, right? it has not been closed or deleted or molested in any way. So, where are you getting these ridiculous and unfounded claims from?

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Remember what we tend to tell people who call our activities pervers and sick and all?
Yes, we tell 'em to mind their own business, to look away!
So if there is a thread about something that someone out there just might take as an insult... tell that someone to stay away from that particular thread, look into other threads that are more like it for that someone. There are examples of threads where this works just fine (e.g. the thread on scat - people who feel offended don't read, don't post there)

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Again... What???

I don't want people to look away from me like I'm some Elephant Man, just because I'm a practicing member of the BDSM lifestyle. Quite the opposite, I want people lookng me right in the eye. I want people asking me questions. I want people understanding that what I do is not abuse, it's not degrading to women and it's not only poracticed by rapists and psychos like people see on cop shows.

At least it's not degrading to women until we, as the staff of this website, allow people to walk in here and start degrading the women of this site. As long as I am here and moderating, it's not going to happen.

And no, I'm not going to tell someone to stay away from a thread that's openly insulting. I'm going to follow the CoC and give the person being insulting a warning and tell him to tone it down. Why? Because there's a huge difference between not finding the topic of conversation to your liking and the topic of conversation being abusive and insulting. Sure, if you don't like the scat thread, don't read it, but if you're a woman and you don't want to be called fat and uguly, then tell a moderator so the person writing the thread can be talked to.

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So, let's not call each other names, let's not fight about codes of conducts (hey, this ain't the Ed Sullivan Show!) lets talk about the subjects instead!

Glad to get comments.

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That's exactly what we've been trying to do.

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So, why don't you do yourself, the members here and me all a favor and take you immature, no account, probably only 13 year old ass and get it the fuck off this site. Otherwise, if I see you here, posting anymore of this kind of bonehead shit, I'll take personal pleasure in banning you and making all your little-minded posts disappear.

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I'd like to openly apologize for having made this statement. It was wrong of me and it was a violation of my own Code of Conduct.

In the future, I will attempt to make my posts a little more level-headed. I'm sure I made this post after only getting three hours sleep. Not that it's an excuse, but my patience might not have been what it should have been.

Apology accepted.

Now if we could just get alex anderson to apologize for comparing you to Hitler....

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Apology accepted.

Now if we could just get alex anderson to apologize for comparing you to Hitler....

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Agree with you on this one, Curtis!

Just feel sorry the thread has been drifting off the subject. I thought it was something to talk about. Plus: I didn't feel it was in particular about the photos in the personal/favorite picture threads nor reduced to pictures on the net.
I felt it meant a wider range. So the answer you gave

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If you're serious about wanting an answer to that, I'd have to side with pandemonium. In America, at least, most BDSM girls are fat and ugly because most humans are fat and ugly and all BDSM girls are human.

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made me smile... ;)
But who knows, there might be something else to it, yet. That's why I thought ending (what I called) the fight and getting back to the general subject would be useful.

and by the way, I knew what the org question was ;)

Wt

In an effort to finally drive a stake through the heart of this topic, I offer the following. It's copyright 2002 by Christina Aguilera and used absolutely and totally without permission, so I have no objection if the moderators delete it.

Beautiful

To all your friends you're delirious
So consumed in all your doom
Trying hard to fill the emptiness,
The pieces gone,
Left the puzzle undone,
Ain't that the way it is?

You are beautiful no matter what they say
Words can't bring you down, no, no
'Cause you are beautiful in every single way
Yes, words can't bring you down. Oh, no
So don't you bring me down to day

No matter what we do,
No matter what we say,
We're the song inside the tune,
Full of beautiful mistakes
And everywhere we go
The sun will always, always shine
And tomorrow we might awake on the other side

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What are you talking about? You did happen to notice that this thread was still in existence, right? it has not been closed or deleted or molested in any way.

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Oh yes... my favourite piece of online silliness, people who post to say "This forum is censored, nobody is allowed to say anything the moderators don't like, they silence anyone who disagrees with them!" How's that again?

I realize this thread is dead, but I've just got to say one thing after reading through this thread ...

Finding Fantasy: As a new person to this site, as I've been making my way through the forums in here, what I've observed of you in here, you truly seem to be a beautiful person.

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I realize this thread is dead, but I've just got to say one thing after reading through this thread ...

Finding Fantasy: As a new person to this site, as I've been making my way through the forums in here, what I've observed of you in here, you truly seem to be a beautiful person.

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Thank you very much for the compliment mmmmmmm (I think that I have the right number of m's in there LOL). The compliment is very much appreciated. :D

Sorry it took me so long to reply, the daily grind of life has kept me busy. :) (no perverted comments from the peanut gallery LOL)

you are very funny. Ha, ha! People are born with the way they look, there's pretty much nothing they can do about it. On the same token, they're also born with the feelings inside them and have to live with their desires. i'm sure many of the people out there who propose that they're either Dom, sub or slave are fakes, but many aren't and they have very little control over their looks. Yes, a person who's overweight can change this by exercise and eating right, but this takes time and effort. i am a male slave and i've been told many times that i'm very good looking. Even so, i've had much trouble finding a Mistress to continue my training as a slave, not because of my looks, but because of the training i'm looking for. i had the luck of having my previous Mistress train me to fuck animals. i've been told many times that it's such a waste that i've been trained the way i have because of my looks. i actually think it was my looks that prompted my former Mistress to do this too me. i underwent this training over a period of 10 year only being allowed to fuck animals during this time. Now, for me, it's hard to see myself as anything else but an animal fucker. Luckily, i think i've finally found that special Mistress to continue training me and am going to visit with Her this May. If things work out, i'll be moving to be Her slave permanently in July or August. But anyway, looks aren't as important as attitude.

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Why are so many BDSM girls fat and ugly??

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Some of them are fat and ugly! :o

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Originally Posted by Shaditu

Some of them are fat and ugly! :o

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and your point is ... ?

So what's the point?

Hey RedEva, like your new pic.

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Originally Posted by redEva

and your point is ... ?

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nothing, i don't understand where is the problem! :confused: :)

I would just like to say that manwhore, your comment is incredibly immature and small-minded.

Beauty comes in all shapes and sizes, and while granted, I am not a size 4, I don't feel that I am ugly either.

A picture, so that you may decide for yourself.


and by the way, if you are judging people by the way they look and not their worth as a person, then you are probably one of the ugliest people on the planet.

'nuff said.http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/at...tid=2262&stc=1

Just so you know, Manwhore has been banned. Repeatedly. And I don't think he's going to be allowed on the internet ever again by anyone.

i certainly hope not! What an asshole!!! :)

And I'm not going to fan this flame anymore than I feel I should. I just have a few points to make for you to consider.

And bigger women aren't always ugly. I know plenty of women with HOT love lives and husbands that worship the ground they walk on that aren't exactly super model material. It's really more in the features of the face to me that counts, for example, and the look deep in the person's eyes. The eyes are the gateway to the soul and some people can see that.

for my last point, if I've learned anything in this life, it's that you can't stereotype anyone in any group. Just because some bdsm girls are fat and/or ugly (and some will be, there isn't a weight limit for the site, thank heaven,) doesn't mean they all are.

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Have you ever noticed that many girls into BDSM are fat and quite unattractive???

I beleive many of these women succumb to BDSM as a result of not being able to get any "normal" sex from guys and thus are forced to do BDSM to get attention

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grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad: just to say i dt'tn think i am unattractive, in fact quite a lot of people say i am very attractive, but am not thin. and my size has nothing at all to do with bdsm. it's just the way i feel not the way i look. and it would be very sad if you choose your sexual orientation or however you would cathegorise bdsm as a result of body size. and i think in general a lot of people aren't super models, if into bdsm or not.
P.S. the profile pic is me in case you think i would hide behind the pic i used as avatar.