You can't copy and paste in the chat windows. only in the input part of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warbaby1943
makes it very difficult to save anything needed.
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You can't copy and paste in the chat windows. only in the input part of the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warbaby1943
makes it very difficult to save anything needed.
OK this thread is rapidly deteriorating into a he said she said thing. I will lock this if it continues. Please keep the discussion civil and constructive or it needs to be closed to give people a time out.
I chose to leave the chat room a few months ago. As far as I can tell it was prior to some of the problems alot of these posts are referring to.
I mainly left due to people not being treated fairly. I also found that some people could give their opinion and it was fine. However, if other people gave their opinion they were criticized or made fun of by certain people. I also got tired of the last minute made up rules, it seemed like they changed quite often.
All of the people that are speaking out and saying how they truly feel - I APPLAUD THEM!!!!
I also feel that there are alot of people that are, or have been, unhappy due to things that have apparently happened in the chat room. Many of them haven't spoken up until now. I am sure there are some that still won't speak up.
However, I don't see that 1 or 2 banned people can be causing this much of an uproar. I think there are major problems.
We use to have a blast in that room. I met so many fantastic people.
As some have said in earlier posts - It is really sad!!!
That sure as hell is one way to kill a thread with very interesting comments. Another way would be to actually look for flaming and go from there. Why punish the masses for the sins of a few? I have always hated when that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Widget
Some people need to vent and a little latitude, as long as no flaming occurs, should be tolerated.
When I first saw this thread I anguished over what the correct action was. And I will be honest, if Rabbit had been around I would very happily have thrown the whole thing at him. I know that he has always had a guideline that chat is a different part of the site, and discussion about chat should happen in chat, as much as discussion about the academy happens in the academy. However it is clear from what has been said that this thread is the result of a number of members of this community feeling that they are unable to that.
Most of us live in countries where freedom of speech, and the freedom to think differently to those in power, and the freedom to say so is a treasured right. People are rightly also protected by law against defamation of character.
Unfortunately there is a very fine line between venting and flaming (defamation). What is written as a vent, may be read as a vent by people who 'support' the case being put, and as a flame but people who think otherwise. This is part of the staff team's very difficult juggling act, at all times, not just in this thread.
I believe that is what was behind Widget's post. Whilst the discussion is constructive, with controlled emotions, people able to express ideas which they have not previously felt able to, then it is healthy and will stay open. If it gets into a he said, she said match, where emotions are rising, then it may be closed for a short while, just to let things simmer down again.
cariad
I highlighted the part of this post that I thought expressed what others are thinking. For the Site Admin to utter it. I think tells quite a lot about the underlying problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by cariad
One problem I have with everything thats been said. AC himself has not spoken, only delia. Sure she spoke for him, but I believe that leaves it open for the he said she said problem. As well as leaves open the question, if she speaks for him here, does she do so in the chat? If they are live in, the IP address that would be logged during the chat would be the same. Therefore any logs to 'prove' anything would actually prove nothing.
I don't have an ax to grind, and I don't have a problem letting people know what I think of them. I am not taking sides, and I am not playing little games. To say such things sounds very adolescent to me, but then again, that is just an opinion I have. Perhaps other people feel statements like that are dignified and responsible.
I don't come into the chat very much, as I don't have very much time to do so. I don't do it on other sites either, so I don't feel I am jumping on any bandwagons. The one time I had a problem with a chatter, I did do the screen shots, but only after a mod instructed me to do so. I didn't see it in the rules, so I didn't know what the protocol was.
Another problem with being able to express problems your having, with the chat. If we were to express how we felt in the chat room, like we are here. We would be banned, as that would be 'disrespecting' the chat.
It is difficult to know what 'feelings' are being expressed, since all of this is nothing but text, or emoticons.
I do understand your dilemma and can sympathize with you. However, I still feel it best to deal individually with violations and leave the thread itself alone. If you want to kill a thread just temporarily close it. My father always said there was no more permanent a tax than a temporary one. I believe the same principal applies here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cariad
If I may suggest an idea I got from the other forum we all know about, they have come up with a separate area which allows more freedom of speech and emotions as long as it is not an outright flame. Maybe we need something very similar here.
If "he said," "she said" statements are mentioned in the right context without calling the author any derogatory names, in my opinion, I don't see that as flaming. Still I wouldn't want to be in your shoes having to make those decisions.
I just really hate to see any thread of substance closed even if the intention is temporary. How may threads have survived a temporary closing? If you want to give it time to settle down couldn't the same result be accomplished by dealing with the guilty parties individually thus leaving the thread itself to thrive or die of its own accord?
Just for the record I have no idea what goes on in chat nor do I really care but I find this one of the most interesting thread going right now.
This was originally a post in response to ID's comment about AC responding...
That has been edited several several times... not because it was against what ID had stated. Not because it was against AC...
Why? because no matter what is said at this point... no matter who says it... be it AC, Rabbit, Tiger, or sally sue smith who has never been here before... it appears as though minds are made up and nothing can change that. That is everyone's right as it should be...
Life is never 100% fair from anyone's perspective... unfortunately... that is life.
It's disturbing to read suggestions of physical threats. I find it immensely difficult to believe that any of the 'well-known/popular' recently banned chatters did anything like that (though I'm not omniscient of course). Creating such an impression, even inadvertantly, would be very unfortunate if it's not the case.
Warbaby, thank you for your comments - and honestly I do carefully consider things such as the points which you make.
If an individual errs in a post then a member of staff does deal with that as a separate matter - threads are closed, either temporarily or otherwise, when the whole thread starts going off kilter.
But your words are not falling on stony ground, and if this thread is closed for any reason, for any length of time they will have been considered.
cariad
caged- what threats of physical violence do you speak of?
cariad,
i think you are doing a great job of dealing with a touchy subject
i am pleased that this thread has been left open, as obviously, there are many things that people feel need to be said.
i just hope that it all works out in the end.
If there is any threats please message an admin right away, we need to know. All I meant by closing the thread for a time was exactly that. Not deleting or stopping everyone from speaking but giving a time out to it. I may not have put it as well as I could have but I think Cariad has summed it up in her follow up posts. I see that things are being much better in terms of manner since then and I am not in any way as I said earlier against people talking about how they feel, only the thread slipping into an arugument about who did what. I think we can all agree thats not helpful.
Again however if there is threats we need to know and please PM one of us.
My mention of threats seems to have caused confusion, let me clarify. I was referrring to Delia's reference to 'threats to my physical safety' on an early page of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Widget
once again I will say this ---Chat and the forum just share a server ---they are run by different Admin and mods ----their rules are not the same as our rules because it is a different type of site ----if you have a beef with Chat then you need to contact AC who is the admin in chat---or Tiger who owns both the chat and the forums -----if you have a beef with the forum and how it is run then you need to contact me or one of the Admin here or Tiger
This is not the place to air out your problems with chat ---most people could care less what goes on there ---if you do not like the chat site do not go there----
Post like this serve no real purpose here ---other than a bitch and complain and usually stirs up others ----then someone starts flaming ---and member end up banned ----so I am closing this thread ---and I do not want to see any more like it ---like I said you have a complaint about chat ---contact AC or Tiger ---you can contact Tiger at webmaster@bdsmlibrary.com