U.s. Founding fathers

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Originally Posted by tedteague

what you posted was article talking about how chriistian the founding fathers were. that goes right in line with the article talking about how they forced chrisitan cirtues and values on the population

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Only they did not FORCE values of a specific religion.

We treat our flag different than most (since I haven't been to them all) other countries in the world. Perhaps it is just because we have such a close link between our country and the flag that represents it.

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Originally Posted by Thorne

I don't deny that this is the REASON for the pledge. It's the words which I object to. It's the statement of pledging TO the flag, first and foremost, AND to the republic. I don't see any sense in pledging allegiance to a piece of cloth, however symbolic that cloth might be.

And yes, we should specify that it is indivisible. If it is not, we end up with another Europe, divided states constantly at war with one another. I do object to the phrase, "Under God", though, which I'm sure will surprise no one. There was an ad campaign around here years ago, proclaiming that "Jesus is Lord in" this town. I objected to that, as well. I am a citizen of this town, of this nation, and I do not, and will not, accept any religious fantasy as ruler!

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Originally Posted by Thorne

There was an ad campaign around here years ago, proclaiming that "Jesus is Lord in" this town. I objected to that, as well. I am a citizen of this town, of this nation, and I do not, and will not, accept any religious fantasy as ruler!

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Hah! I knew there was a religion for you! http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/...rticleComments

Sounds more like a community center. People want the social aspects of a church without all the superstition. And they're still looking for someone else to tell them how to be good. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's certainly not a religion. And it's not for me. I'll take a pass.

i posted evidence to the contrary a few days ago

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Originally Posted by tedteague

i posted evidence to the contrary a few days ago

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the link i posted? I'll post it again
http://www.alternet.org/media/148518..._/?page=entire