No there are terrorist world wide, but at thetime of 911 Al Quisa and Bin Laden were based in Afghanistan in the Tora Bora Mountains as many have suggested but never provedQuote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
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No there are terrorist world wide, but at thetime of 911 Al Quisa and Bin Laden were based in Afghanistan in the Tora Bora Mountains as many have suggested but never provedQuote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
Ok never read of hear about a Delclaration War Declared, justthat we planned to invadewith 25,00 tropps which now is over 150,000Quote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
als I postes earlier in this thread the Definition of Communism as you asked, It was post last night (March 2, 2009) t is hre somewhere justnot sure now with all the after psosts were it is located
My friend, you are doing a good job at debunking the liberals' rhetoric strategy. You are sticking to the facts and giving simple, correct examples of the truth. Eventually this type of fact giving and questioning will break through.Quote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
It is a very popular theory that if you continue to see what you are by having it pointed out to you that you are a certain way, this will make you want to change to being the person you would really like to be. This is the "looking glass theory" and you use it very well.
Americans do not want to be labeled with certain names which have historically been rejected by the American public. We have experienced this resentment on this thread as members don't like being labeled as socialist and communist. They have a point in stating this resentment and I suppose we should try to honor their request not to be so labeled.
Yet, does this mean that we should not describe how their political views come across to us? We have witnessed the criticism of capitalism in relation to what President Obama is attempting with the economy. Honestly, very few people know what to do about the economy. The opinion of most Americans, I believe, is to allow the economy to cycle out. In the meantime, Obama's effort at reconstruction seems to be a good thing. But, if his agenda is to replace the capitalist system to a socialist system, like Rush said, I hope he fails.
I look for liberals to jump on this statement like they did Rush this morning on all news channels. In their criticism of Rush they deliberately left out his reference to "But if." Clearly Rush wants socialism to fail but just as clearly he wants Oboma to succeed. "But if" changes everything. The liberal press and many Democrats would rather demonize Rush for saying the President should fail and then come back with the statement that he is the head of the Republican Party to make all anti-socialist Republicans demonized. I think when it comes down to it, most Democrats would like to see Karl Marx. and the tenants of communism fail.
Part of the positive legacy of G. Bush will be that he supported Obama's efforts to rebuild the country by not being critical or revengeful about how he was treated. There has to come a time when the Democrats and Republicans set aside the type of rhetoric such as that cited above and really do what is best for the country. If we continue to seize on every petty word that is said, only the true enemies of our country will win. My suggestion is that we raise the level of debate and stick to the facts with less personal attacks and more accurate descriptions of what we truly are - all Americans.
From what I have witnessed it seems the Republicans have their own messiah complex. They worship Limbaugh. He who will not brook any dissenting opinions. He who is so UnAmerican that he wants the country to fail, the President to fail.
I believe but I could be wrong but Micheal Steele the Charman of the RNC Last Night told people to ignore Rush that he does not speak for the vast majority of Republicans and he is just expressing his view, but he did emphisise for peole to pay no attention to Rush and the Party will distance itself from him as they canQuote:
Originally Posted by Belgarold
But Rush does love oxicondin :)
Except they are not undecided! They decided months, years, decades ago that they were Republicans or Democrats and they will fight tooth and nail against anyone who tries to gainsay them. Facts mean nothing, statistics mean nothing, legality or illegality mean nothing. "If he's in my Party, he's right!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
It is unclear to whom you refer as I have seen both Dems and Reps behave in a very irrational manner. But slur them all; that way you get them all. What was pointed out about what Rush said, "But if" did not mean anything to many Dems who refuse to be fair in their judgment. The ignoring the facts is not the monopoly of any one party. I think that is the nature of politics and broad minded people will understand this, don't you agree?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorne
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Originally Posted by wmrs2
Very, Very true on the "What If", but Micheal Steele of RNC Chairmsan said last night on FOX News that Rush does not speak for the Republican Party as a whole, that he needs to as he put it "shut up" and he wants to try and distance the Party from Rush, the interviews was on one of the Fox News Channels last night, not a liberal netowrk at but Rush as said on his radio show countless time nothing ould make him happier thenl and to have the Obama Admistration fail completey so America can elect a REAL President, Ann Coulter supported him on this John MccAin said both are way out fo line and thei rremarks to do speak for him or most Republicians he knows
M. Steele apologized fo Rush this morning for the remarks he made. Mr.Steel was slow to catch on to the strategy of the liberal commentators who refuse to recognize "But if." Liberal commentators will never stop twisting the facts if they can keep the two parties divided. What Oboma is trying to do is include everybody in the government. Right now I believe that but the die hards will not let go of their criticisms of the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
Every broad minded American knows that it is time to forget the past and look to the future. If the liberal press keeps smarting off about Bush, Rove, and Republican leaders, Rep will be forced to eventually fight back. Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country.
I was not referring to any one party, but to all those people, of any party, any race, any religion, who will follow the pronouncements of some so-called celebrity as if they were gospel without bothering to check the facts for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmrs2
Granted, there are variations within this broad group, some who are fanatical followers and some who are much less so.
As for what Rush said being taken out of context, I think fair-minded people would have to admit that he is the king of doing the very same thing. From the little that I have heard, or read, he will consistently twist people's words to fit his own ideology, and when that might prove difficult to do, he will expound pompously on "what this really means!"
And certainly, he is not alone in this, nor is it a strictly conservative, or liberal, failing. It's a valid, recognized propaganda technique, which works quite well with an undereducated population, and works even better with fanatical followers who wouldn't dream of questioning their glorious leaders.
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Originally Posted by wmrs2
I just located that apology which to me means the Rush LImbough runs the RNC not Steele, just my opinion but limbough also said he would rather commit Hari Kari then Run a Party in the sad shape the RNC is in right now, he woule stop being a Repubican if he was approached about the RNC
But I did see Micheal Stelles apology
Well put. But don't just condemn the "liberal press"; include the conservative media (Rush, et al) in your statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmrs2
It's time to stop being liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat. It's time to start being Americans! Brothers and sisters united in defense of our country and our way of life. Find common ground in the middle of our belief systems and work from there. We are all seeking the same goals! Don't let corrupt politicians, over-paid industrialists, or loud-mouthed talk show hosts steal our heritage from us! Question everything, don't take anyone's word, search out the FACTS. Everyone in this forum (I presume) has a connection to the Internet. USE that to learn the truth, not just the propaganda.
the biggest issue with the RNC is nobody in the Hieracxhy of the GOP has the GUTS to stand up to Rush Limbough
As President Obma said "We are The UNITED States of America, not the Blue States, Red State, Yellow States of America but the United States Of America all people in one Nation"
Don't bite on that worm. Commentators live to get you upset. Limbaugh gets a kick out of making Dems and Liberals go off half cocked accusing people of being UnAmerican and judgmental. You play into his hands with such responses, he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgarold
Let us try to be bigger than both the rhetoric of the liberal and conservative commentators. They probably call each other tonight to plan their next argument to upset as many people as they can. I wish I could make money off everybody's anger like they do. Look, point out the facts and leave it at that.
Well-said Thorne. And until we can put aside the bickering and posturing we will get nowhere. Yes, Rush and his ilk, and that includes some on my side of the aisle as well, have an AGENDA and it is a personal agenda. Calculated to gain ratings and more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorne
For instance, as I have said, I dont agree with you Thorne on every issue. But I believe you have the best interests of the country at heart. As I feel I do and the President. And until we can all join hands, even with those we don't agree with, we will not get out of this mess.
Anyway, thank you for your reasoned post.
Yes we are I agree let's all live together as 1Quote:
Originally Posted by wmrs2
I can buy that, although it is difficult to put the past behind us. It can be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorne
Now see! Just when we were getting off to such a good start, you start with your Guts theory. You need to try harder than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
Now, that is a little better. Keep trying and we'll all get there together.Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
Great! All Bush haters, all Rush haters, all liberal press haters, all broad minded Rep. and Dems, we finally love each other. I hope this last but, the question is, who will be first among us to break the unity. Not me. Fight the temptation, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
It is just my opinion, which i am intitled you , some may no like it, by my Freedom of speach allows me to sat thatQuote:
Originally Posted by wmrs2
"This is the Definition Of a Communist and Socialism"
so⋅cial⋅ism
/ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
com⋅mu⋅nism
/ˈkɒmyəˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. (often initial capital letter) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
While there are similarities there are significant differences in these two systems!
"I believe the less Goverment control on everything the better we all are, can't be any clear then that "
That being the case how them would you describe yourself?
"I have no reason NOT to remain a Democrt"
But your stated belief system does not agree with that of the Democrat party!
"I believe the less Goverment control on everything the better we all are, can't be any clear then that "
"my issue with him is we had rason to go into Iraq"
The whole world had reason to go into Iraq. The person at fault for that was Mr Hussain.
"I COULD say, with the same amount of support that you display, (i.e. your opinions) that the Republican Party is the party of Fascists and Nazis."
fas⋅cism
/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' party
Seems that the Nazis were in fact Socialist as were the Fascists, except that they have a dicator rather than a ruling party.
"(A)ll the people who helped to make mistakes and never take any responsibility. Cowards and whiners all."
You mean like Teddy Kennedy?
And?
"Ok never read of hear about a Delclaration War Declared"
THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE VOTE; CONGRESS AUTHORIZES BUSH TO USE FORCE AGAINST IRAQ, CREATING A BROAD MANDATE
By ALISON MITCHELL and CARL HULSE
Published: Friday, October 11, 2002
New York Times
The Senate voted overwhelmingly early this morning to authorize President Bush to use force against Iraq, joining with the House in giving him a broad mandate to act against Saddam Hussein.
"als I postes earlier in this thread the Definition of Communism as you asked,"
I did not ask!
Again you are incorrect. There is no worship of Limbaugh among his listeners. Being correct, succinct, and entertaining does not make one a messiah. To revere a person as a messiah requires a certain amount of faith. A faith that overlooks anything that could lessen the reverence for the figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belgarold
Unlike many main stream outlets dissension is welcomed by Limbaugh. But that does not mean that he will not attempt to show that person where they may be mistaken. In fact Limbaugh will move a self described liberal to the head of the queue.
I have a question, have you spent any time listening to the Limbaugh show? Or are you relying on reports of what he has said? Be careful with the answer, there may be a test.
Don't understand how you can say that. Each party clearly refers to their "base" that part of the electorate will vote that party, just like Libertarians vote Libertarian. The election revolves around those in the camp of "undecided" "In an election, there are "certain" or "lock" votes - voters who are solidly behind or partisan to a particular candidate and will not consider changing their minds whatever the opposition says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorne
Swing voters are undecided about how they will vote. They are sometimes referred to as undecideds or undecided voters, but floating voter is now the more common term used for this kind of voter.
In the United States, they may be dissatisfied Republicans or Democrats who are open to the idea of voting for other parties, or they could be people who have never had a strong affiliation with any political party, and will vote depending on certain things that influence them - e.g. healthcare, benefits, election campaign etc.
Some might be people who have never exercised their right to vote before, such as those just reaching voting age.
Because the votes of swing voters are considered to be "up for grabs", candidates direct a fair proportion of campaign effort towards them, although they must also be concerned with voter turnout among their political base."
"updated 11:06 a.m. CT, Wed., Sept. 24, 2008
WASHINGTON - Nearly a fifth of U.S. voters remain undecided about presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain, still unsure which man can put out the fire raging through the American financial marketplace and save them from an economic meltdown."
It is clear that this block of voters exists and is the focus of political campaigns.
"Rush as said on his radio show countless time nothing ould make him happier thenl and to have the Obama Admistration fail completey so America can elect a REAL President, Ann Coulter supported him on this"
I have reason to believe that you are pulling your data from, at best, secondary sources.
"Once we start fighting like before the election it can do no good for the country."
But you think random throwing of vast sums of money in all kinds of random directions IS good for the country?
Interesting! You say the apology is because Limbaugh runs the RNC. yet admit that he has said he would have nothing to do with the RNC. Yet you still believe that "Micheal Stelles apology" is proof to the contrary. Verrrrry interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
Some of what you said bothers me a very basic level, but I will let that slide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorne
I have found a number of people across various forums that even when presented with factual information simply refuse to consider that information. How would you propose to get them to consider the information?
Close but no cigar. No one in the hierarchy of the RNC have the guts to stand up, period!Quote:
Originally Posted by mkemse
"he makes money off your anger and is motivated to say more to incite you."
Limbaugh does not make money off anyone's anger, he makes it by people listening.
As a matter of fact I have. I go by the adage "know your enemy." I listen to O'Reilly spin as well. Limbaugh, to gain ratings, is angry, spewing lies and half-truths, racism, inciting violence. He is a hate-monger and power-hungry opportunist.Quote:
Originally Posted by DuncanONeil
Do YOU listen to anyone but Fox News or the conservative controlled media?
And I am still waiting for any real facts that support your position. THAT is my test.