Bestiality

ok so yeah this doesnt really have anything to do with bdsm but it's sex and well.......

so we all know what beastiality is. for the most part, i think, this is still an extremely taboo thing.

but i have a friend who recently "came out" about his avid interest in beastiality. he even admitted to exploring it. and me being the open-minded little freak that i am, i couldn't help but ask more about this fetish. cuz whereas i know what it is, i've never actually met someone that was interested in it.

and apparently, in the beastiality community (and yes there are several) there's this big debate about animal rights. some people think that it's wrong, abusive towards animals for them to engage in ANY sexual activities with a human. and obvisously other's don't.

so i'm starting another debate.

i don't think it's wrong for a male dog to fuck a human, so to say. i mean.....i don't really see how a human could FORCE a male dog to engage in sexual activites with another human. i guess training could be involved but still, doesn't seem wrong. it does seem wrong to me, for a male human to fuck a female dog. i mean......it's kinda hard to determine if a female dog enjoys that sorta thing. plus....it may hurt...size and all.

so this debate is more focused towards......do you think it's wrong to involve animals in sexual activites? not really, do you like beasitlity....although feel free to voice your opinion about that aspect too.

ok.I'm pretty freakish Myself, and extremly perverted. but this is just sick. Sex with animals...*gags and dies*. But I guess everyone has thier kinks.

thats what I have to say about that, lol.

sorry If I wasnt able to answer that the way Y/you wanted.


Master C

For the record I have an interest in male animal/female human sex, yes. Mainly as fantasy really, but given the right conditions I could see taking it to reality.

"but this is just sick. "

Funny how if you make these comments in a BDSM related thread how they get tolerated so much less. Because that blood play thread, branding, and the fire play thread, or comments on snuff had nobody thinking this, I bet.

Is it abuse? Depends on the animal. Like anything else, drawing one mass sweeping concusion is doomed to total failure. Sometimes it's definitely abuse, sometimes it definitely isn't. I don't condone male human with female animal sex in any case, because proving consent is much, much harder, even for a legitimate animal expert. It's simply much to gray an area for my comfort.

In certain cases, I'm sorry, male dog to female human sex simly isn't abuse. It just isn't. Are there abuse cases? Yes. But certainly nothing close to all.

thanks Timberwolf.....You made a great point.....like i said though....this is still one of those fetishes that people just can't handle.

You say you wanna piss on somebodies face and nobodies bats an eyelash. You say you'd like a german shepard to hump you, well they call the authorities.

MasterC your are certainly entitled to your opinion....just remember though....that everyone views things differently.....

Ok, first off, your both right. Timberwolf, Maybe Sick wasnt the best word to use there.And yes, it was just My oppinion. like I say, everyone has their thing they are into.I've been into this lifestyle so long, I'm surprised this still bothers or shocks Me, It just does. But if someone is into it, then power to them. Its just not for Me.

To ME(IMO), its not natural.but then again, niether is My fetish for blood.
To each thier own, and sorry If I offended anyone. It was not My intent.

i havent posted in here for a long time but i think i will to this one. i have been involved in the 'on line' BDSM community for about 4 years now, and have some real life experience as well. and i will say, the thought of a dog fucking me???
is SO HOT!!! it is one of my strongest fantasies, and if the opportunity ever arises to make it a reality, i will grab it so fast!!
i have no idea why it is so strong for me. if i think about it, i suppose it is one of total loss of control, and dogs fuck so hard and fast!! lol maybe that is it. i make no qualms about the fact that i am a cum slut. and i like erotic pain. i also am somehwat of an exhibitionist, maybe that is some of it as well.
anyway, that is my attitude. and do i think it is abuse? no, i dont. and i suspect that someone who was paying any attention to any animal could tell if it was not enjoying what was being done it. a Dominant person is aware of how their sub is feeling, whether they can express it in words or not. animals are quite capable of expressing fear, discomfort, etc in their body language.

thank you for listening to my little rant :)

This is one of my hottest, hidden taboo fantasies, and up till now, Twolf's been one of the few I've told. We've talked about it before a few times.

It's so primal, and if I were coupled with a male dog, so degrading, humiliating, I would be so helpless and controlled. It's ALL extreme with this fantasy. The thought of being impaled, trapped by the knot, unable to be freed till the animal is done with me, is a very powerful image.

Have I done this? no. Would I? I'm not close minded to it, but no, most likely not, which is not to say I haven't had a fantasty about it (which I view no different than fantasies about scifi BDSM with aliens who have all sorts of strange and different appendages), but thats just it, its just fantasy. If I were to do it, I cannot say if I would still feel the same way as I do now. Some things should remain just that, a fantasy. However, find me a male human who gets a knot.. and i'm getting in line. Till that day, I am more than happy to be tied down and fucked senseless by a human Dom.

Is it abuse? It would depend on the situation. For example, if there's a female human tied up, so that she was open and the dog went and started humping her on its own free will, then no I do not believe it is abuse. However, I do believe that a male human with a female dog is abuse. She can't say no. The same goes for any human to dog oral interaction. Dog to human oral interaction, I do not believe to be abuse though. It's the animal making the choice to lick the human.

That's my 2 cents on it.

*coughs...blushes a lil...scuffin' my toes into the carpet* well um...*hesitates...lookin' around to see if anyone's watching* um..i had this male dog once...*coughs* and um..well...one day, i was getting ready to take a shower, and was naked in my bedroom...bent over to retrieve a fallen item and well um....*stammers some* um..."Bear" came up behind me and shoved his nose into my pussy and took a lick and well..*dies a lil* um..i didn't stop him.....in fact....*dies more* um..i kinda..liked it and well gee...even sorta somehow encouraged it *shocked look at myself*...anyway..i was single at the time, and Bears oral skills..kinda um...got me over the hump *so to speak*

*slinks off to a corner and hides*

*LOOKS at ID hard as he reads this and brings up...other stuff* HEY..i'm not ready to spill ALL that SIR!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I don't need to mention the Gentleman we know out west who has a special taste for this particular fetish, and has trained several dogs, as well as ladies in this particular fascination.

As far as male to dog interaction, if the male human was the recipient. Well who knows.

I don't have any practical experience in this, but have met at least three people who have participated on one level or another. All of them were dog to female situations. In all cases the experience was favorable.

V/R
ID

Wow, I'm very impressed to see this broached here.

Personally, I've no r/l experiences with K9, but, have a VERY viable male and if the right girl comes along, Wwe will certainly be open for him to use her.

This has been a fantasy of Mine since HS, its just so incredibly hott. Having spent the majority of My adult life in church, this fantasy along with many others had been repressed.

Now living the Life F/T has allowed Uus to explore many fantasies, with plans on exploring more.

As for abuse, in My mind, abuse is defined as causing pain, harm, with no regard for the victom. Obviously if a male dog, horse, etc gets excited and mounts, this hardly constitutes abuse.

So the question is, does a human male having intercourse constitute abuse, unless hes causing harm or physically forcing the said female animal to comply, I dont think so. Not My cup of tea mind you, I much prefer the thought of seeing a female used by a dog.

Not something I am interested in, No I don't consider it sick twisted or otherwise wrong (Unless its hurting the animal, like a man screwing a toy poodle etc) actually its kind of odd that this isn't amongst my twisted as perversions, being a big fan of Hentai, tentacles, demons, and some furries.

Alright, I can't leave Karin out on a limb all alone. Years ago, I too had the male dog nose to my pussy experience. I mean, come on, those noses go to the pussy like magnets are drawing them there. Eventually, one catches you unprepared . . . and licks . . . and wow . . . it felt great.

fantassy

Gotta LOVE that!

I think condemning a kink like this as "sick and disgusting" is rather narrow-minded, particularly when our membership is not opposed to drinking piss, blood, cum from strange men, and eating shit. I don't think any kink is too perverse, as there is always someone that may enjoy it (disclaimer: I'm not advocating pedophilia, snuff, or real rape. I'm talking about consensual, extreme, kink-play).

That being said, I've had a fantasy or three about a scene involving animals. It usually involves me watching rather than receiving, and it usually involves larger animals rather than dogs. I can say with certainty that I wouldn't partake in a scene like that in real life, but I am rather turned on by the idea of it.

Regarding abuse, I think if the animal aproaches on its own accord and arousal to partake in a sexual encounter, then no, its not abuse. But the minute that an animal is forced, it becomes abuse (pushing or pulling a dog onto a waiting female and/or holding him there, restraining a dog so that a man can penetrate it, tying a goat in with a rope so it can't get away from molesters, corralling a reluctant horse so it can be mounted from behind, or held still so someone can use his penis to penetrate themselves... you get the idea). To me, the idea of a man penetrating a dog is particularly abusive, because a dog's vaginal tract is very small, and cannot accomodate the size of a man's penis (hello vet tech training!). Any other thoughts?
-Phan

First of all thank you to Psynymph for starting this thread, and to Timberwolf for pointing out that it isn't sick.:)

Like Karin and fantassy, I also had an occasion when the doggie got curious! I was 12 or 13, and it was summer. I was outside playing, cause that's what you did way back then!:rolleyes: Anywahoo, our dog was following me around outside, and I had squatted down to look at something when he came up and just started licking. Well DAYUM! I was like....this feels goooooood! I had on shorts so I just moved them over a little more to make it easier on the dog ya know! ;) So I had my first oral experience and orgasm with a dog, and all I knew was that I wanted more. That little doggie became my best friend, and oh was I sad when he disappeared! And it took me until being in my twenties to find a man who did as well as that dog did! :blurp_ani
So I have had fantasies of actually being fucked by a dog as well, but the opportunity has never arose. I'm sure I'd give it a try if with the right Dom and dog, but like sheepishone, I won't know if I like it as much as I do in my fantasies....at least until I try it. ;)

As for abuse, I agree with what others here have said regarding male dogs with female humans as not abuse.....and sheepishone.....thank you for that lovely visual of the tied down human female being humped by the dog! Yum! :icon176:

My comments really have no sexual connotations at all. I will get to those later. But a lot of these arguments are tied to the concept that animals have "rights." Now, I don't want PETA on my front doorstep, but personally, I find the concept of embuing animals with rights as a little nonsensical. I just can't get around the perception of an animal having a right to anything. From a biblical standpoint, man was created and placed here and given dominion over all things. From a legalistic standpoint, on a sentient being can have rights. To my knowledge, animals are not sentient. They may be intelligent, they may be able to display certain sentient traits, but they are not sentient beings. From these standpoints, if an animal has no rights, there are no rights to be violated and consequently the argument is moot.

Now, we, as sentient beings, do have a responsibility to treat every living thing with care from a stewarship standpoint. We kill animals in the normal course of our own existence. We have a responsibility to see that this is done in as painless and quick manner as possible to spare the creature suffering. Does involving an animal in a sexual encounter with a human cause suffering. Probably not unless it involves some sort of sadistic abusive acts, in which case it would be irresponsible, since, unlike a lot of masochistic subbies I know, the animal gets no observable pleasure from the act.

I think the bigger argument is, are we acting responsibily when we engage in or encourage these acts?

What is your basis for categorically stating animals are not sentient beings?

fantassy

I find it a little hard to comment on this, cause without the right words i feel my words easily get tacky.
Its such a taboo, and still somewhat it isnt. I have never read any statistics on this but from what I understand, many "normal/vanilla" (whats one to say...) people admit to being more or less aroused by watching animals breed. Like horse breeding.
For me the link from animal/animal to animal/human is not very far. Now offcourse, the reality of whats possible and whats just not, is considered in that comment, lol.
I know that from I was a little girl this has intersted me. Very taboo and very exiting. And this is quite common.
I remember crazy neighbourhood dogs humping on my leg, and one overthrew me when running with him in a leash. I remember watching animals on nature programs... Not much were more interesting and fascinating scary than to see big animals aroused. Its sex and its on display. Even if the species are different. It exites me.

The moral that has been debated here, I do agree on.
Its easier to wonder if the female animal gets abused than the male animal. But I find it hard to enter that debate. When I mentaly make an argument on one side, I just as easily can make a counter one, so I dont know what to say really.

But there is something so merciless about beastiality. And that I find very attractive.

Fatnassy, you are correct. Instead of sentient I should have used the term sapient. Sentient organisms can feel, but only sapient organisms act with willful judgement.

That being the case, as sapient beings, we are bound with responsibility to respect the creatures that are "below" us. If we are talking about biblical standpoints here, we were given the responsibility to care for and protect this world and its creatures in a compassionate manner (even if we have to kill a non-sapient creature, respect is still due. Why do you think people of biblical times had prayerful ceremonies of thanks before sacrificing an animal or using a dead animal to fulfill basic human needs?) .

From a non-biblical standpoint, as sapient beings, it is our responsibility to willfully refrain from causing pain or harm to non-sapient creatures, regardless of whether they have "rights" or not. "With great power comes great responsibility;" it's not about whether the animal has rights (which I personally beleive they do), but about human responsibility and basic respect of life- ours or otherwise.

I think I said most of that in my first post. In my view, the appointment of rights demands the ability to make willful judgements and decisions, which, I dont believe animals have. You are right that we, as sapient beings, have an ethical responsibility to treat all these creatures in a benevolent manner. What I cannot accept is that an animal has a right to anything. A responsibility on our part does not translate to a right.

*blushing furiously* Ahem...um...*ggls*.....well, like Karin, fantassy and learningtopleez, we had a male boxer that just stuck his nose where it didn't belong. *ggls* I don't remember the age, but I think it was around the same age as learningtopleez. Anyway, he was very persistent, and it felt good, soooooooo...I....uh.....pulled my pants down and let him lick away. Now, that being said, hasn't anyone ever wondered why rich ladies always carry a little doggy in their purse?!!!! *ggls*

well...i can say this..my dog didn't seem to mind ONE BIT...*laffin*...particularly when................well...*leaves it at that*

you girls are soooooo naughty....I LOVE it!

First off...

MasterC...thank You for clarifying on Your views and apologizing.

Wow....so i totally wasn't expecting these responses. *big grin* I mean this is awesome.....

after Timberwolf's reply to this thread i pm'ed Him, telling Him how impressed i was that He was so open about His interest. then i come back here and see all these replies......

so yeah karin....wow....

and to everyone else.....

my friend first introduced me to this fetish and for the first time in my life i was actually ashamed of something that i was sexually into. i'm a very open person, i don't throw in it your face, but neither am i going to apologize if i seem unconventional. but when i discovered my interest in this fetish.......i was truly embarassed.

but wow....

i've actually never had a uhh...lol....dog to pussy experience but one day i would like to errm.....*big blush* you know...well....dog to female kinda thing.....*cough, cough* maybe if you know the opportunity ahem.....*shuffles feet, bites lip, twirls hair* you know...presents itself.

ok wow...i feel like i'm at a AA meeting.....

hi...*embarrassed look* um..my name is um....*coughs a lil..stammers* karin and um....*talkin' fast now* i'm a kinky bitch *hears a chorus of HI KARIN*...

the opportunity can present itself. get a realllllllllllly big male dog! *hint* DOGS LOVE PEANUT BUTTER *nods lots*

lmfao....ohmigod...karin.....your killing me...."kinky bitch".........AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

wow.. and i thought i as kinky for liking to watch the movies. :P

*sighs*

I'll admit...I've had fantasies about it...but think I will leave it at that. I've even writen a story about my fantasy.

Is it abuse..I agree with most here. If you aren't hurting the dog in any way, why would you consider it abuse? If the dog is willing (like karin and LTP's) well...have fun. ;)

Talia