Of Sheep amd Warriors

“MOST” Real Time Dominants in this Lifestyle are Warriors
And most likely to protect than harm.
In that spirit read on, and remember what you have learned here.
Lord Hemloc

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart
of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about
defending those noble and worthy things that deserve
defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our
time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn,
hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself.

The question remains: What is worth defending? What is
worth dying for? What is worth living for?
"Most of the people in our society are sheep.
They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can
only hurt one another by accident." This is true.
Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year,
and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per
year. What this means is that the vast majority of
Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims
of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number,
perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But
there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that
the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably
less than one in a hundred on any given year.

Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed
by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent
citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends
of the situation: We may well be in the most violent
times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare.
This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who
are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident
or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it
is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft
and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful.
But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell.

Police officers, soldiers, and other Warriors are like
that shell, And someday the civilization they protect
will grow into something wonderful. For now, though,
they need Warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves" and the wolves feed on the
sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves
out there whom will feed on the
flock without mercy? You better believe it.

There are evil people in this world and they are capable of
evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is
not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are Warriors,"
I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are
a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you
have a capacity for violence and no empathy for
your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf.
But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep
love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then?
A Warrior, someone who is walking the hero's
path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness,
into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
Let me expand on this excellent model of
the sheep, wolves, and Warriors. We know that the sheep
live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do
not want to believe that there is evil in the world.
They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which
children are thousands of times more likely to be killed
or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but
the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence
is denial.

The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child
is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the Warrior. He looks
a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for
violence. The difference, though, is that the Warrior
must not, can not, and will, not ever harm the sheep. Any
Warrior who intentionally harms the lowliest little
lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot
work any other way, at least not in a representative
democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the Warrior disturbs the sheep. He is a constant
reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would
prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them
traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports,
in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would
much rather have the Warrior cash in his fangs, spray
paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows
up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind
one lonely Warrior.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big,
tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances
they would not have had the time of day for a police officer.
They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop.
When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT
teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the
officers had to physically peel those clinging,
sobbing kids off of them.

This is how the little lambs feel about their Warriors when
the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the
wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America,
more than ever before, felt differently about their
law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember
how many times you heard the word hero?
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about
being a Warrior; it is just what you choose to be.
Also understand that a Warrior is a strange being: He
is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking
the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night,
and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young
Warriors yearn for a righteous battle. The old Warriors
are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound
of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the Warriors think differently.
The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the Warrior
lives for that day.
After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep,
that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't
on one of those planes." The Warriors, said,
"Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes.
Maybe I could have made a difference."
When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly
invested yourself into Warriorhood, you want to be there.
You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the Warrior,
but he does have one real advantage. Only one.
And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an
environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.
There was research conducted a few years ago with
individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons
were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of
violence: assaults, murders and killing law
enforcement officers. The vast majority said
that they specifically targeted victims by body language:
Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness.
They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when
they select one out of the herd that is least able to
protect itself.
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might
be genetically primed to be wolves or Warriors. But
I believe that most people can choose which one they
want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more
Americans are choosing to become Warriors.
”There is no safety for honest men except by believing
all possible evil of evil men”. - Edmund Burke-

In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep and so are wolves.
They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being,
you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious,
moral decision.
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and
that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay.
When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to
die if there is not a Warrior there to protect you. If
you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the Warriors
are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest,
safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a Warrior
and walk the Warrior's path, then you must make a conscious
and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare
yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the
wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.
They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters
or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their
backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service,
there is a very good chance that a police officer
in your congregation is carrying. You will never
know if there is such an individual in your place
of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre
you and your loved ones.

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are
psychologically destroyed by combat because their only
defense is denial, which is counterproductive and
destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and
horror when the wolf shows up. Denial kills you twice.
It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you
are not physically prepared: Hope is not a strategy.
Denial kills you a second time because even if you do
physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by
your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written
entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying
person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior
must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life,
and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.
If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a
weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you
become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come
today.

This business of being a sheep or a Warrior is not a
yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing,
either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a
continuum. On one end is an
abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the
ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or
the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost
everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away
from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting
and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started
taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you
move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial,
is the degree to which you and your loved ones
will survive, physically and psychologically at
your moment of truth.

Written by My Mentors – Mentor
Lord Hemloc

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Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year,
and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per
year. What this means is that the vast majority of
Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims
of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number,
perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But
there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that
the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably
less than one in a hundred on any given year.

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In fact, the FBI reports that the violent crime rate for 2005 (the last year for which statistics are available) is a staggering 469.2 per 100,000. Your stats for murder are close to what was reported, but the aggravated assault stats do not seem to match those of any year I later than 1992. If we include such sill crimes as rape in our totals, since you seem to prefer to leave them out, the average American has almost a five percent chance of being the victim of a violent crime. This may not seem like much, but is more than 500 percent more than the stats you quoted.


http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html

And this actually ignores a simple fact, these stats are cumulative. Every year you have this chance of being a victim. If only 6 people out of 100,000 were murdered, then we could live with it. But 6 people per 100,000 are murdered every year. 469.2 per 100,000 are murdered, raped, assaulted, robbed, or the victim of some violent crime every year. Live long enough and you will eventfully be one of them. These are just the reported crimes, what about the unreported ones?

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Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed
by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent
citizens is considerably less than two million.

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I personally do not like most cops, and would not trust them out of my sight, but that does not mean they disturb me. I am just a cynic and find that human nature is subject to corruption. The more power you give a person, the more susceptible they are to corruption. Quis Custodiet Custodes Ipsos? (Who Watches the Watchers?)

As for honor being the epitome of the warrior creed, we have a perfect example of that attitude in the movie “A Few Good Men.” Honor is such a man can lie, steal, cheat, and even kill to protect it, yet forget why he is there. As Cpl Hammaker said, they are there to protect the weak. If this means sacrificing their honor, then they should be willing to do it.

In the choice between warrior and sheep, I am neither. I will fight when I have to, when me or mine is threatened, but I do not depend on others to fight for me. I proudly proclaim that I depend on no one.

I am arrogant, and care nothing for this trip some men call honor. I stand for truth. I will proclaim who and what I am to all. I am a man, a Dom, but not a sheep, a wolf, or a warrior.

In closing, let me sat this about honor. Honor will sometimes sacrifice truth, but truth will never sacrifice honor.

Hello I'm happy to see you post.....

aahhh yes........ so under this ......I am a warrior, always have been and always will be.

I think of it more as having a Hero gene, than that of being a warrior. I'm always running into the fire, as everyone else is running out. It's primal instinct, you either have it or you dont. I fully realise that not everyone has this gene, as we are all individual.

We are who we are.........

Weapons come in many forms. And that is not to say, I cannot level up with cross hairs. You can kill and wound with words alone. Not all warriors need to carry weapons to show strength. They carry all that they need within themselves.

I believe that that is the mark of a true warrrior.

Thrall............the hero

Dear Lord Hemlock

I have never, ever been tempted to post anything like what I'm about to say, but -

Personally I think you'd do better just to start a blog, so you can discuss things without confusing all the people who are actually trying to find a partner with whom they can enter into a genuine and intelligent BDSM relationship.

Rhabbi - I am amazed you spent so much time on this.

The post as stated was written by my Mentors Mentor he was a highly decorated World Known Military leader during WWII on the Amercian side- Rabbi, you don't fit in to my scale. And its not necessary that you do to live a productive life, However your opinion was welcomed just like anyone else. whether it's for or against my post, I dont take your demeanor and rancor personal. Thanks for reposting my response to gales Post. {The stats come from the National Institute of Crime Statistics published in 2003}
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

Mop top, I have an extingusher handy. And so your opinion is I might be able to find someone but I believe your tone was one of perhaps you doubt it eh? But alas you are right, I do perhaps need to pick another form. I will take it under consdieration for the next time I post.
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

I would also like to answer this.

I am a Dom and I am a man. A sensitive, sometimes terrified, sometimes wrong-headed, often sad, normal man. As most heros and warriors are, normal men and women in extraordinary circumstances.

The soldier who is so scared he (or she) can't sit still and leaps into the battle and leads the charge that saves the day.

The single mom that does every thing she can and sacrifices daily to provide for her children.

The fireman that heads into a burning building to save a young child.

The woman or man who sits down with her lover and opens themselves to tell their partner exactly what they need.

These are the true heroes, the true warriors and they are definitely NOT sheep. And we Are ALL capable of that heroism. We ALL do it every day.

And no true warrior (soldier or not) is HOPING the wolf comes to the door. No sane person WANTS the wolf at your door.

True Doms/Dommes are simply men and women who are respectful and loving to their partners and want to give them what they deserve.

I don't know every dom on this forum, but some of the heroes I am aware of are:

Tessa's DD who, in simply wanting with all his heart to provide happiness for the wife he loves, went the extra mile to learn and use his Dominant talents. That is a hero.

Fae's Selash, is another one. He is young and worries he is not experienced enough yet. But he listens and he learns and he does seem to know innately that the most important thing for a young dom/domme to know is Love and Respect, and he has that in droves.

Sorry for going on and on. Just needed to say this.

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Originally Posted by John56

I would also like to answer this.

I am a Dom and I am a man. A sensitive, sometimes terrified, sometimes wrong-headed, often sad, normal man. As most heros and warriors are, normal men and women in extraordinary circumstances.

The soldier who is so scared he (or she) can't sit still and leaps into the battle and leads the charge that saves the day.

The single mom that does every thing she can and sacrifices daily to provide for her children.

The fireman that heads into a burning building to save a young child.

The woman or man who sits down with her lover and opens themselves to tell their partner exactly what they need.

These are the true heroes, the true warriors and they are definitely NOT sheep. And we Are ALL capable of that heroism. We ALL do it every day.

And no true warrior (soldier or not) is HOPING the wolf comes to the door. No sane person WANTS the wolf at your door.

True Doms/Dommes are simply men and women who are respectful and loving to their partners and want to give them what they deserve.

I don't know every dom on this forum, but some of the heroes I am aware of are:

Tessa's DD who, in simply wanting with all his heart to provide happiness for the wife he loves, went the extra mile to learn and use his Dominant talents. That is a hero.

Fae's Selash, is another one. He is young and worries he is not experienced enough yet. But he listens and he learns and he does seem to know innately that the most important thing for a young dom/domme to know is Love and Respect, and he has that in droves.

Sorry for going on and on. Just needed to say this.

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Bravo John, I have always had trouble with people, who try to tell me what I should be based on what I do.

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Originally Posted by Lord Hemloc

The post as stated was written by my Mentors Mentor he was a highly decorated World Known Military leader during WWII on the Amercian side- Rabbi, you don't fit in to my scale. And its not necessary that you do to live a productive life, However your opinion was welcomed just like anyone else. whether it's for or against my post, I dont take your demeanor and rancor personal. Thanks for reposting my response to gales Post. {The stats come from the National Institute of Crime Statistics published in 2003}
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

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I could find no refernce to the National Institute of Crime Statistics. Look at the FBI data that I cited, there are the stats that this place would use. They do not match the stats you cited, as I said before.

People do what they need to do. Or they don't. that is the truth of life.

Rhabbi,

Thanks for the good words, my friend.

I remain,
Lord Hemloc

Okay children. What you see above is called a FLAME!


Can we say FLAME!

I knew you could.

Hmmmmmmmmmm I saw humor in it.

I stated my opinion many times, but rarely see the need to defend myself just because someone does not agree with me. tomof Sweden and I entered into a couple of debates, but I decided that since I was not going to get through to him and change his mind, I would drop the debate. I do not like to pound against a wall.

Wait. I bet I know what you ar talking about. If I post something I think is ineresting, and then do not agree with it, it does not mean it was my opinion from the beginning. getting the messenger confused with the message?

Those that know me real time {{and you don't}} truely know that it would not be me that backs away. I cited the source as it was cited to me, and me defending it is not in the cards for you. This banter with you has become so boring and not stimulating. If you dont have more mental torque than what you presented here then I will just ignor your rantings.
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

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Originally Posted by Lord Hemloc

Those that know me real time {{and you don't}} truely know that it would not be me that backs away. I cited the source as it was cited to me, and me defending it is not in the cards for you. This banter with you has become so boring and not stimulating. If you dont have more mental torque than what you presented here then I will just ignor your rantings.
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

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I see, must have been confused. I present documented facts with citations to a recognized authority to challenge your facts, and I am not worthy of your mental powers to debate. I must have missed a new defintion.

HI

We are all Heros and Warriors in our own ways.

We express ourselves differently. That is what makes us human. Individuals, each with our own views. It our greatest strenght.

Yes, Rhabbi .........even the strong, regardless of how prepared you are, may become a victim to violence. The evidence speaks for itself.

I am the dichotomy, Hemloc. I am a killer sheep. I am the paradox, living in both worlds, knowing the face of both.

Damn I am missing all the fun these days

Hmm, well, seems as if Super Mod Tessa needs to make an appearance.

Rhabbi, not sure why you felt the need to respond to Lord Hemlock as you did. Yes, I've read the thread. Still, don't know why you responded so aggressively as you did.

Lord Hemlock, I do know why you responded to Rhabbi as you did. But, umm, yeah, can't say some of that stuff here. Even if provoked.

And this isn't a personal ad, so it kinda needs to be moved. I'll take care of that.

Seriously, be decent or don't be at all. Pretty simple idea there.

Tessa, your kinky neighborhood Super Mod.
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Seems as if I made a mistake in editing on Lord Hemloc's #11 posting. His words there should not have been edited so completely. My sincere apologies for this error.

tessa

John56 - Thank you very much for your true words!

I am not that good with statistics, so I just reply to that people-with-children-pretend-there-are-no-wolves part.
The person who wrote this text has very obviously no children, nor has he ever spoken with any parents. Or if he did, he did not listen.
Parents are aware of the wolves every single day. Always, and ever. And we would hate our children come to harm by them.
It starts by always having an eye on them. It proceeds to teachings like not to go with strangers, not to accept sweets from people they do not know, and we emphasize over and over that the only person who is allowed to decide if you want your private parts touched is YOU, and no one else.
It then leads to nervous parents sitting at home when the kids start going to the disco/out over night/on things like summer camp.
The row a kid gets for coming home 4 hours late in the middle of the night is not caused by evil parents not wanting the kids to have fun - it is caused by the horror scenarious the parents have kept replaying in their minds. Rape. Accidents. Wrong company - drug overdose. The possibilities are endless.
We worry about our kids all life long, and it is getting on their nerves sometimes, isn´t it... But it is done out of love. Or at least it should be.

Being a sheep in everday life is good and fine. But you underestimate the capability of parents for violence. The nice, pretty neighbour´s wife who would normally never do any harm to anyone might change her opinion about murder rather quick if she finds herself in a situation where it is "either kill the intruder or let him take your child´s life".

That said, I do agree that most "sheeplike" people, even the ones who harbour a bad attitude toward police/military, would run quickly to hide behind them if there is a dangerous situation and the risk of physical harm.

Kind regards
A.

Thank you for that well written and stimulating opinion arria.
Where as I have no children, the author did father 4 children.
Here in 2007 where it is posted every day in a time where news is all around us and available 24/7, the media has made many aware of the danger.
The author wrote this a few years ago, perhaps he had a different view..
I remain,
Lord Hemloc

Arria-

I'm so glad you took this thread in a more positive direction...

The boys were doing a little pissing comparisons.. it seemed (well they
always call it "catty" if women do it lol, so ya know..)

Anyway, everyone, I just want to let you all know that Lord Hemloc does
have a lot of real life experience in BDSM. He is widely known in the
community, statewide, at least as far as I know. And I know this personally
as I have met him, and before I met him, I had already known and
heard of him and knew those who know him.

I am not saying I agree or disagree with his opinions or how he's presented them-
nor am I agreeing or disagreeing with anyone else's opinions here or how they were presented either...

BUT...

Lord Hemloc is for real and does have a sound basis from which to speak on BDSM issues.

Respectfully,
*E*

Arria, thank you my dear for your kind words. They are appreciated. And a very nice post as well. Wise, very wise.

Epo, no disrespect meant. I was simply explaining what my idea of a true hero and Dom was. If that was pissy I am sorry. I try to treat people with respect and dignity until they prove they can not be treat as such.

Hemloc (no Lord to me) started his stay with us by disrespecting and belittling someone who did a lot of work for our safety and help. He continued to treat people badly when he was confronted with this.

I have treated his posts with respectful criticism, yet he belittled my experience in the scene (while he has no knowledge of me) while trying to build himself up. Arrogance and disrespect DO NOT go far with me.

So that is my defense of my own actions. He may be well known there, but that does not make him right. He has also trreated my friends rudely, and that I don't abide.

Again no disrespect meant.

The mental torque needed is not present enough to offend me.
The defense of those actions you speak of, lacked merit.

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I think I understand what the author is trying to say here, but it’s all just a little too condescending and parochial for me. I think too, who ever has written this has tried too hard to simplify a very complex issue—human behavior.

I certainly don’t appreciate the word “sheep” in reference to the majority of people who aren’t “...always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle...” (One of many rather odd analogies use in this article)

Ok, I confess, by the author’s definition I’m a "sheep" 99% of the time but, if need be, I can be as strong, aggressive, and protective and any “warrior”. (I noted also, with interest here, the correct use of "sheep"—all in lower case, and “Warrior" as if to insinuate some sort of superiority.)

With all due respect, regarding Lord Hemloc’s introduction: “MOST” Real Time Dominants in this Lifestyle are Warriors...” as opposed to what—submissives who are wimps—“sheep” in need of protection by the “warrior’ from the “wolves”? Surely it’s incorrect to assume that just because a man, or woman, happens to have a leaning towards being sexual dominanr—a kink if you like—that they’re more than likely be a part of some kind of quasi alpha army within our society, as is alluded to here. Many men and women in positions of power and responsibility in their day to day lives enjoy the freedom and release of being sexually submissive.

Actually, having pondered this a little more, I think I might have been more open to the ideas express here had the concept not been linked/likened to dominants and submissives. I hope the author would have approved of having his essay associated with bdsm.

After reading the thread I have to disagree with the concept of sheep/Warriors, at least for myself.

I have been a victim, youth and inexperience added to that cause. It wasn't a choice it was a fact of life.

I have been a Warrior and have rushed into the "burning building" and protected those in need. Not with a gun in hand, but provided protection none the less. Once again, it was not a choice but a fact of life.

I am offended on many levels because my impression of the post is that "submissive" are being referred to primarily as the sheep. I may be a submissive but am by no means a sheep. I am simply ME... I have strength when it is needed and am soft as much as possible when life allows. Just as, in my opinion, most submissives are. There is nothing easy about being a submissive and takes it's own special hidden strength that may not be visible on the surface but is certainly deep inside of them to be used/released as needed.

That being said I know just as many "Dominates" who are considered "true/natural" Dominates by their personalities and yet they don't face some of the necessary, tiring daily issues of life. They opt to not respond rather then cope. Yet these same people, by the first post, would be considered the "Warriors" because of their chosen life profession. In my mind it takes more then running into a "burning building" to be a Warrior.

Anyone who lives by a code... a code of honesty, trust, respect and love... is a Warrior in my mind no matter how other circumstances in their lives might play out. And there are times that those Warriors are tarnished as well, wrong choices are made and life consequences happen, but coming back to that "code" recognizing the errors, making the changes, and moving ahead is what keeps them being Warriors to me.

If people find it necessary to categorize others for their own sake then that is their right... I just don't have to agree with their thoughts on the issue.

I must say that I agree with annie. There are many degrees of human experience, and even a warrior can be a victim of a crime. I know of many military people who are murdered, been assaulted, or numerous other things.

I know some will point out that the vast number of those in the military are not truly warriors. By the definitions of this post I would have to agree. But I know of men in special forces who have been attacked while off duty. trying to fit everyone into any type of scale like this lacks insight into human nature. We all are what we are, nothing more or less.

There is a truism among homicide detectives. Anyone can be a murderer, all they need is for the right combination of events to come together to make it happen.

I agree with Alex that I can understand what the author is trying to say, but the point of the message is far too complex than what the meaning is trying to convey.

Maybe I am too simplistic in my thinking, but this is how I percieve this entire message to be, without trying to analyze the crap out of it.

The author has taken three different sets of people, police, firefighters, etc..., ~ people who live thier lives as best they can, who are not police firefighters, etc..., ~ and the people who are hardwired to commit nasty crimes. He has changed those people into three different terms. The Warrior, the Sheep, and the Wolf.

I have no idea if this peice of writing has ever been published or if it is just the writers own personal thoughts. Either way the message, while a bit much and hard to pull out, is there.


I don't want to say I am correct in my interpretation of it, but this is what I presume to be the complete message of this post in regards to Dominants and submissives.

There are Warriors who are Dominants; and yes there are subs as well, they understand the needs of submissives and other Dom/mes and at times they feel that it is thier responsibility to help and guide others along, or it is just a natural thing to them. To be a strong force in anothers life to help, guide and protect them along in thier journey.

There are submissives who are sheep. They are strong and live thier lives to the fullest of their capacity, but what they truly desire is a Dom/me who understands thier needs. There are also Dom/mes who are sheep, looking for a sub to understand and complete them as well.

There are Dom/mes as well as subs (players), who are wolves who take advantage of others at every opportunity they can get.
They are deviant and care nothing of anothers feelings. They live to take advantage of others;whether it be intentional or not.

You can label everything as much as you want A, B, C, ~ Warrior, Sheep, Wolf, ~ Dom/me, Sub, Player, the message will still be conveyed in some form. It is still the same basic message.

My whole two cents on this

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Originally Posted by Alex Bragi

I think I understand what the author is trying to say here, but it’s all just a little too condescending and parochial for me. I think too, who ever has written this has tried too hard to simplify a very complex issue—human behavior.

I certainly don’t appreciate the word “sheep” in reference to the majority of people who aren’t “...always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle...” (One of many rather odd analogies use in this article)

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I agree. The original text is extremely simplistic. I don't like the dichotomy. The description of the Warrior rings a bit too much of neocon jingoism for my taste. It sounds like it idolises belligerent machos rather than conflict solvers. Conflicts are solved by people putting pride aside, daring to think in new ways. Not by flag waving macho men beating down darkies with towels on their heads on September flights. I'm not saying we shouldn't defend ourselves when attacked. But my definition of a hero is a lot wider than the simplistic divisions stated above.

All criminal research shows that the biggest factor for violent crime by far is poverty. Solve poverty and violent crime is solved. How many prayers are told in school is pretty much irrelevant. As far as repeat offenders goes, a big factor is the severity of punishments. The longer and harsher punishments, (except death) the more likely the criminals are to repeat their crime. USA is big on punishing hard. It's a system that "breeds" repeat offenders.

If this discussion is about how to divide humanity into generalised groupings I think I'd rather go with Nietzsche's dichotomy. According to him it's quite possible to be an over-man and a submissive. Being brave enough to see your own weaknesses and follow your own needs, when they go against what's regarded as normal is to me a Warrior.

My "Warriors" are people who don't go looking for labels to put on them selves, and don't go looking for quests in order to gain glory. They follow their own heads and make sure they even when they're being greedy, they also help others around them. A Warrior is always a Warrior, even when nobody is looking.

My "Sheep" are people who accept commonly held truths and uncritically follow common dogmas. I'll save you all from any narrower definitions. I've stepped on enough toes here, but the Warrior mentioned in the original text doesn't sound to me like an Over-man. Just a small person that needs to bloat a tiny ego.

...and the text got confusing when it mixed in wolves. Which are the wolves? Aren't the Warriors also Wolves, if seen from another angle? Wolves seem to be just anything we don't like? That to me rings strongly of fascist propaganda texts.

There's a bunch of passages from the old popes from when they where blessing the crusaders, which talk a lot about when violence is justified. It might be good to read up on.

If we return to Hemloc's original definition I'm a Warrior when called for, and a Sheep when I need to be. And I very much do consider myself a Master.

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If we return to Hemloc's original definition I'm a Warrior when called for, and a Sheep when I need to be. And I very much do consider myself a Master.

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Very well said Tom.

Looking back I can see why this post originally got to me. I have heard this type of talk from people here in the US who believe that the UN is going to try to take over the world, and I guess my BS meter just pegged at anger.

I never classified myself as a warrior, and probably never will. I will fight when I have to, but infinitely prefer to walk away from a conflict. I am not foolish enough to believe that violence does not solve things. As Robert Heinlein once said:

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Anyone who clings to the historically untrue - and thoroughly immoral - doctrine that violence never settles anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forgot this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and there freedoms.

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There are sheep out there who would argue this point, but I know better. Any intelligent man should be able to see the imprint of violence on history and world events.

This does not make me a sheep or a wolf. Like Tom, I am what is needed when it is needed, but am always a man and a Dom.

I am most interested to read this thread. Definitions of what we humans may, or may not be, are always intriguing and should always lead to debate. I have my own thoughts on what and who I am and I regard the observations of others with a slight grin most of the time. If I see someone with whom I disagree-so be it. If I see, however, one who attacks the well-being of my friends then that's a different matter. I will attack. I will defend. Can I be pigeon-holed for that? Most certainly. Is the person who does that correct? *shrugs* who the hell knows-I most certainly will try to keep an open mind-(See my on-line prayer)
It has always been on constant wonder to me that there is so little flaming in here...where there are intelligent, literate and above all, passionate folk-there will be conflict. I have stood up to be counted when I felt it necessary and be damned to the consequences. We have the right to express ourselves and sometimes that is done badly-no, inadequately. Remember, friends, communication is about ensuring your point is understood. When you don't care-Ah! Therein lies the problem.