i just wanted to add a few links to assist here.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...imo_terrorsis/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3042907.stm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...inst_Terrorism

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/index.php?s=torture

and one about Desert Storm...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/talk/

There are some interesting articles here, and some vid clips to watch as well. You can check out other items as too, and most of these sites have more than just the articles that i have linked.

Dangit i said i wasn't gonna debate this issue any farther, and i meant it lol. However, i am interested in the views of others, and wish to assist with the obvious learning trend that has been created in here. So, i'll research and if i find anything of interest (to either side of the argument, as you'll see), i'll post it.

Dunno if i need to start another thread or not (as i'm sure that Alex will let me know in Her sweet way if that's the case, so i'm not worried about it), but wanted to post these links in here because i feel they're pertinent to the discussion.

Let me just add that i would rather not even know about these "fuckers"-terrorists, politicians, etc, and their actions. There is nothing that i can do about it, and nothing's changing, even though we all know now what's been happening. Torture has gone on since the beginning of time, and it's not stopping now, just because we're all unhappy about it...and i'm not proud to hear what my own countrymen and women are doing to other human beings. i would rather just be oblivious, in my little bubble, thinking every person has some level of good in them. There is no way i myself could inflict any harm on any individual and i cannot see how others can-but i understand the basic working of things....and i fucking HATE politics. Every other day there's a story about one that has abused his/her position, using tax dollars for personal gain, and don't even get me started on how my tax dollars may have paid for a high priced call girl so a politician could be unfaithful to the most important vow he ever made.

Master and i spoke about this last night after He posted to this thread, and We dug to the very basic middle of the matter:

If there were no criminals, we would have no need for the law-no attorneys, no judges, no police. Same as if we had no terrorists, there would be no need for the hightened security measures and everyone involved would be out of a job. If the Middle Eastern terrorists kill us all (infadels) like they want to do, there would be no one for their countries to sell their oil to. If there were no war, the bigwig corporations would have no "ground zeros," here and in the Mideast, to rebuild...and couldn't keep fleecing us all for funding. Lobbyists would actually have to lobby for meaningful causes, and they're not good at that unless it's lining their pockets....c'mon, y'all, they need their kickbacks, poor souls. AND if there were no torture, the news folks would have alot less to report- they'd only be working part time, and the terrorists would have no way to prove that we're the meanest country in the world.


The Bible says, "The love of money is the root of all evil." i tend to believe it.