Why are so many BDSM girls fat and ugly??

[Kalluss]

I was looking at some vintage porn (Hey, it was for a project) the other night and thought of this thread while I was observing some of the women who were considered beautiful in the 60's and 70's.

The women who were posing then were curvy, beautiful women. They were long before the heroine chic that glamourized the 'tit's on a stick' look that is what the fashion industry is telling people what is glamorous today.

As an experiment, I'd be interested to purchase a garment made today in a size 11, and then purchase one from a vintage store from that era in the same size and compare.

I work with a lot of women who considered pretty back then. They're in their 50's-60's now and are still attractive. I wonder how the women of today who are starving themselves to fit into that size whatever are going to look in the long run.

Just kind of rambling here. It's funny how your mind works after being up for 36 hours.

[zig]

As an experiment, I'd be interested to purchase a garment made today in a size 11, and then purchase one from a vintage store from that era in the same size and compare.

I work with a lot of women who considered pretty back then. They're in their 50's-60's now and are still attractive. I wonder how the women of today who are starving themselves to fit into that size whatever are going to look in the long run.

I normally wear a size 6 american in Women's clothes, size 5 or 7 in juniors. I have a pair of vintage cords from the 1970's, labeled size 9, and they are slightly too small for me at the moment. Sizes have definitely changed seriously. I would imagine the difference gets larger the farther back you go, until you hit the era before store-bought clothes were common.

[tehya]

I have humbly decided to respond to this thread, not the originator of it.

This is an issue that has been so much a part of my entire life... my weight! God how I can remember my mother putting me on diets as a very young girl. So from as far back as that, someone has always tried to mold me to their idea of what my body should look like.

This continued through to my adult life and has plagued me, even somewhat to this day. I have always tried to maintain a body weight that just seems unnatural for me. And let me just say that big people do not necessarily eat gross amounts of food. I don't, but I am a big woman.

I must say though, that since being introduced to BDSM and my Master, i have begun a transformation. Actually beginning to understand more about myself and my appearance. I'm big, but I am not ugly. My partner finds me attractive and well proportioned, and has never once asked me to lose weight. He would support me if I felt I needed to make a change to better myself, but that is it!

Some day I hope to get to the point that I can look in the mirror and be totally pleased and content in who I am. I'm working on it... But I have to tell you, it helps so much to see everyday people showing off everyday bodys... how sexy, erotic and honest is that!!!! I admire each and every one of you for it!

Master's tehya

[jaeangel]

Number one:
Who is to say what is fat and what is not? It's in the eye of the beholder, a phrase which has been repeatedly used on this topic thread and yet has been ignored by those who refuse to find the meaning in the spirit of the phrase. If fat is defined as being a specific number of pounds overweight according to some stupid medical chart some overeducated doctor has thought up, then I am fat too. I am 5' and 130 lbs. And I'm okay with that. Yes, I look at Jennifer Lopez and Brittany Spears and Lucy Liu on TV and wish I could look like that; but in the end, that's not who I am, and even if I were to change the outside I'd still be the same person inside. And that person on the inside is what matters. I have to look at myself every day in the mirror and be happy with the person looking back at me. Therefore, I'll do what I have to in order to be happy.
Another thing to think about; there are sites on which pregnant women are in bondage too. Do they count also as fat, Alex, Whipit/Manwhore, and anyone else that has something to say about the way a woman looks or doesn't look? Most men seem to have a 'thing' for pregnant women (I was working as a cellular sales rep in a mall kiosk through the last trimester of my first pregnancy, and I was getting propositioned by an incredible number of men. Even AFTER they saw my wedding ring! Girls, we've all heard it said that men have a thing for pregnant women; I'll tell you something, being pregnant, petite, and Asian all at the same time was like holding a T-bone steak in front of a starving man! Fat can be beautiful, too. Don't let anyone tell you you're fat and ugly. As long as YOU can look at yourself in the mirror and say 'I'm beautiful' then you are beautiful. Regardless of how the outside looks.
Men: If you haven't seen the movie 'Shallow Hal', then I suggest you go and rent it, and watch it with an open mind. It stars Gwyneth Paltrow...and I forgot who the guy was. The lesson inherent in the movie is that no matter what the girl looks like on the outside, what's inside matters most. Do us 'ugly/fat/unattractive' girls a favor, and watch it. It's a wakeup call.
Number two:
The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America say that all persons are free to say what they wish, however they wish. However, the morals and societical norms of the time the Constitution was written vary greatly from the societical expectations of today. Things we say now could be construed as insults back then, and could actually cause duels to the death! Therefore, I call out Whipit/Manwhore. I demand that he present his sword and defend his opinion with his arm. And I warn you, I'm very good with a sword! I've had years of Tai Chi sword training!
All right, levity aside, what I'm trying to get at is that, while we are technically free to say whatever we wish, some opinions need to be CAREFULLY thought out before the words are allowed to fall. Freedom of speech also requires some common sense when one is speaking. If you don't think before you speak, you could get in a lot of hot water (the which you already know.) Temper your words with common sense. Nowadays, duels are fought with guns, rather than swords, and there are no steps counted/first blood rules. Piss off the wrong person and that person might come back and shoot you while you're sitting in the bathroom jacking off to Brittany Spears's picture!
Okay, that last was a little crude, and I apologize. But even the Supreme Court realizes that words should be processed with the brain before being allowed to leave the mouth. Why else do you think that Ku Klux Klan manifestos are suppressed and banned, and BDSM magazines, drawings, etc. are still sold? Because the one involves common sense and thought, as well as consent; the former involves uninformed racist views that do nothing but hurt people. If you go up to a Klansman and ask where the nearest good taco place is, I'll bet he'll be able to give you directions. Ask him whether he prefers wonton soup or hot and sour, he'd probably have an answer to that too.
Anyway, this is long winded enough. Please remember: Temper your words with wisdom, and respect the people around you (even online!). Remember, what you do will come back on you threefold. I hope that someday when the above-named offenders are old and gray and hobbling down the sidewalk, some young punk says 'what an ugly old man'. Then you'll know what it feels like to be judged.
Judge not, lest ye also be judged.

[leo9]

I was looking at some vintage porn (Hey, it was for a project) the other night and thought of this thread while I was observing some of the women who were considered beautiful in the 60's and 70's.

The women who were posing then were curvy, beautiful women. They were long before the heroine chic that glamourized the 'tit's on a stick' look that is what the fashion industry is telling people what is glamorous today.

It's been pointed out that judging by her measurements, which were very much on record, Marylin Monroe would never get so much as a bit part in today's media unless they wanted someone to play "the fat girl".

She never had to worry about the size of her butt. When she and Jane Russell were asked to put their footprints in the pavement outside Grauman's, she suggested that it would be more appropriate (since they already had prints of Jimmy Durante's nose and one of Betty Grable's legs) if Jane pushed her boobs into the cement and she sat in it.

[Kallie Thomas]

It's been pointed out that judging by her measurements, which were very much on record, Marylin Monroe would never get so much as a bit part in today's media unless they wanted someone to play "the fat girl".

Oh, yeah--I remember a few years back, Elizabeth Hurley was at some exhibit where Marylin Monroe's size 12 dress was on display. Hurley exclaimed, "Oh my God, if I were that fat, I'd kill myself!"

Says it all.

Kallie

[MrJerseyGuy]

Its probably moot since the originator of this thread is long gone. I've been following it since it started and find the continuing contributions interesting. I had a previous post myself from over a year ago. I just read a recent one which brought up a good point. I don't think anything relating to the bdsm scene is different from the vanilla world. Not with regards to looks/weight. Personally I prefer the titless anorexic crackwhore look (without the actual crack). But that's just my personal preference and what turns me on. To each his own. Can't we all just get along!