Quote Originally Posted by Ozme52 View Post
Then any use of any animal that ends in its death is a luxury... we certainly don't need to eat animals to continue living... Even shearing for wool must be questioned... the animal certainly suffers to an, admittedly small, extent, fear while being sheared and cold immediately after....
I would agree, but I am still going to use them for these purposes.

I understand your definitions but I don't agree with where you draw the boundaries.
That's what makes intelligent debate so cool. We can understand each other, but disagree.
BTW, for neolithic man right up to perhaps the industrial era, abortion wouldn't be considered a luxury. The birth of a baby to a tribe/family on the edge of starvation would be a hardship and perhaps deadly to individuals within the tribe/family. Abortion using herbs was common until the advent of "modern" medicine and in control of women to make that decision for themselves.

So I still disagree with your take on abortion.
I'm not an an ant-abortion camper, just one that believes it should be out of necessity not as a substitute for a Trojan.