taking up against the fundamentalist crossection here in america is basically like taking on a brick wall, expesially since the judean christian right wing and liberal versions here (yes religion exists on both sides of the political arena in the states despite the medias attempt to personify it as a purely republican issue) have re-rallied behind thier religion secular views (i am talking about the anglo saxon american christians here that have become allmost militant seeming in the usa) of course that re-rallying is also a media driven thing for the most part, as it feeds on such controvesies, day to day life here in the states i raely see hear or talk about religion with people on the street, except on sundays when my mom bugs me to go to church with her despite her knowledge that i no longer share her faith (but hey she is old and it makes her happy when i do take her so i am in the church most sundays)

which i dont know if its just Lutherans or not, but at that church the people thier would be appalled to hear that so many people think so poorely of them, they are hardly militant there, (Lutherans as still blushing over pokeing thier finger in the catholics eye back in the 1500's very reserved folks and even that was done with a letter on a church door as opposed to in yur face) and most of them would say that god would be appalled at how so many in history have twisted the message that the lutherans believe he has given them

see the Lutherans are basically a shy lot and yu shouldnt see them pounding bibles on street corners its way to much like having sex with the lights on for them,

basically love thy neighbor as thyself is thier approach and quietly too, yu dont want to draw attention