Hopperboo, thanks for posting that list. I am a gun owner, but my family is rabidly anti-gun, of the "ban all guns because a kid accidentally shot himself!" variety. Right now they don't know that there are guns in my home, and I don't particularly care to tell them and deal with the ensuing fight, but now at least I have something to show them (should the need arise) to hopefully at least get them to think a bit more.