"That's my point of view, at least. I don't proclaim myself to be an atheist or a Christian or any other particular type. When pressed I respond with, "I'm an apathetic agnostic: I don't know if God exists, and I don't give a damn." posted by thorne

well said thorne, and i liked your last post also, whether one believes or not, lets be frank about it there is a need for tolerance and understanding, from both sides of the debate, i respect others views as long as they try and respect mine.

I dont expect them to agree with my opinions or even fully understand them, just show me some respect for them, that is all i ask, irrespective of whether this debate is "proven" or "won" by one side or the other, all that is needed to maintain a peaceful coexistence is understanding and respect.

if someone believes in god then so be it, in whatever form or sect that their god chooses to manifest itself, what ever works for that individual, i am not going to knock or pre judge, just as i dont expect to be myself.

lets move away from picking holes in either sides facts and learn to accept and coexist.

the more positions become polarized the greater the danger there is of alienation, we need to be an inclusive society tolerant of all views if we are to live side by side, too often historically we have seen what can happen when parts of society are marginalized or demonized.

we cant let history repeat itself.

i like your stance and approach to this one thorne