... I have to think that they are two heads on the same coin.

We are, afterall, still animals; lifeforms evolved through chance to command of the earth. We, us humans, are the most deadly preadtory creatures that have ever crawled the surface of this planet. Violence is an instinct that we can not put away no matter how civilzed we think we have become.

Violence is exciting to us, it is the danger and adrenal rush that we all are born addicted to. SOme of us try to repress it and fear it. Others, ignore social constraints agaisnt it and join the small minority that revels in it, not comprehending why the rest of us frown upon thier actions. But none the less wherever you sit on the spectrum of human experience you feel something from violence.

Disagree? Do you watch sports? Do you not enjoy some physical or mental confrontations? Do you not watch your televised violence every other night on TV? Violence is one of the two primary motivating factors to your most basic survival instinct. Reactions to it are different from person to person, but all of us are compelled to it in some form. Why else do movies, books, art, literature, and music from all over the world and all times contain these themes?

The other side of this coin of survival is that of sex. Which is an act of violence when it is broken down to its most primal basics. Sexual partners are hunted for, chosen for various reasons that appeal to our hungers, the most primorial violence. The first union of sex draws blood from the female. Is not blood also the most comon resonator in violence?

What else is in our art through the ages? The images of the lighter side of the heart. Love, which at its most basic is only a softer term for lust. This is the procreative portion of human instinct. The beautiful and flowery side of our dual and linked nature.

Does anyone ever stop thier biological impulse towards sexual unions? Violence is also at that level. Always there lurking under the surface of our civilized society. Yet, we can not deny it.

Do we generally kill and rape one another with abandon, no. But we do rush through traffic, trying to pass as many other commuters as possible on our way home every night. To show our prowess and strength, through our skillful manipulation of our fantastic and deadly machines on the streets. When the computer or fax machine refuses to respond to your requests do you not try to adjust the attitude of the inanimate object with a slap or kick?

Can the princess, held captive by the dragon help herself but fall to the agressive advances of the knight who slays the beast? Of course, any story can flow to the whim of its author, but does the knight who has his testosterone adrenile peaked in the heat of battle and bloody death calmly ignore his other most driving need after plunging his sword into the dragon's flesh? Does this not only charge his desire for more intimate penetrations and conquests?


Violence and sexuallity are linked in our minds and souls. To maintain society for the benefit of all, we place restrictions upon wild abandon of both. So your 8:30 violent acts on the TV, are seperated artificially by televised temproal constraints with the other side of human nature.

The most emotianal experiences in the human condition are the results of sex and the results of violence; birth and death. Also, interestingly, birth is generally a violent event, whereas death is just as often a peaceful event.

SO get out there and mate and mangle you animals



Just a hypothetical observation by one of us in touch with his instincts. Do I condone violence, no. Can I deny it lies within everyone of us, no; to do so is naive.

Love this thread, thanks,

~LT~