Climategate

[leo9]

No one claimed the data is hidden or suppressed.

On the contrary, many people have said this and keep on saying it:

Do not forget that that "twisted report" was compounded by destruction of the raw data used to produce it.

Dudes, the raw data is in the public domain, all over the world. But if people look at the original figures they won't see what you want, so it's simpler to claim the figures don't exist.

What many of us are saying is that many of the scientists who rely upon the government for grants and funding have "twisted" the reports on the results to allow the government to continue with their scare tactics.

So when thousands of scientists who don't rely on government funding say the same thing, you have to invent other reasons why they're lying.

Scientists lost their funding and lost their jobs under the previous administration for reporting climate changes that Dubya didn't want to hear about. That's on the record. Show me one person who's lost grants or funding for attacking AGW.

And more to the point, not ALL scientists agree on this issue. There are many who refute the entire Global Warming/Climate Change issue.

There is always someone to put the contrary case, that's how science works. A says yes, B says no, the rest look at the evidence and a majority come around to one point of view. You can find scientists to claim that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that cold fusion works, and that evolution is caused by virusses from space. All of them will tell you that the reason the majority of scientist disagree with them is that they're in the grip of a vast conspiracy.

And these contrarians are not always harmless sideshows. When HIV deniers got the ear of the South African government, thousands of deadly ill people were denied life-saving drugs and told to cure themselves by eating beetroot.

No one has claimed that reducing carbon emissions will cause less plant growth. (at least, I certainly don't think that)

Duncan said exactly that, several times. If you're claiming it was a joke now you've been called on it, let him say so.

As for Gore do not forget that he has brought up the several million degrees inside that planet as being an additional contributer to Global Warming!

I haven't seen the original quote, but I would bet a lot of money that it's been misquoted, the way a perfectly true remark about his involvement in ARPAnet was twisted into "Gore claims he invented the Internet". Geography 101 will tell you that the Earth's internal heat is part of the world's thermal economy, so yes, it does contribute to climate change. Or do you know something about geophysics that I and Gore don't?

Sigh... I said I wouldn't get caught up in this. Being drawn in... Must resist... Sanity in danger...