Exactly, justice and honor are completely subjective phrases, and two people can view totally opposite acts as honorable or just. That'sa slippery slope.To many, the Union in the Civil War was very unjust and dishonorable because its a massive case of government forcibly siezing property. Now I'm not going to get into the ethics of the civil war because thats way too messy, but the point I'm trying to make is that from an OBJECTIVE viewpoint, the colonists were douchebags