Quote Originally Posted by Thorne View Post
That's not what I'm saying at all!
Got you wrong again, then. Sorry.

I simply said that they would be better served by working within the system.
Thorne - the jobs aren't there!

Yes, some are lazy. Like any group of people. Some are working, but barely getting by. Some have good jobs. The problem is that they seem to want successful businesses to give money back to their customers. They castigate those who make a profit. They don't seem to understand that, if you remove the lure of profit from industry, you won't have industry. There will be no incentive for businesses to keep on doing business.
People just want a job, so they can live. They can't go out and shoot a deer.
The business of business is to get them as cheaply as possible, and make as much profit as possible.
Thus the clash of interests.

Problem now is not just the crisis, but the fact that many busnesses automate their production, so less jobs.

The businesses get help when they don't do well. Why?? Acccording to other parts of the system you mention, this should not happen, businesses should weed themselves out. First check.

If businesses could not score a profit, do you think the world would stand still? No progress? No one wanting to do [I]anything[I]? A statement heard often, but never proven! Personally I don't think human beings are lotus eaters by nature.

Do these people honestly believe we would be better off if everyone in the world got just what they needed to live (housing, food, medicines) and nothing more?
It would never just be 'nothing more'. People are so much more than that!

That anyone who makes more money than they need for these things should have that money taken from them to pay for those 'less fortunate'?
There goes the American dream again: there are always jobs, always education, if you want it. In the teeth of all evidence!

Where is the reason to even work, then? Why bother to strive for improvement? It all makes no sense to me.
Human beings will always want to work, one way or the other. We are not designed to sit on our buts all day long, staring vaguely ahead...? Moving about and doing stuff is built into us.

Maybe not in the Lutheranian way (again taken from Christianity, even atheists carry the Christian values in them: In the sweat of your face you shall earn your bread) - not work for work's sake, but doing stuff.