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thir The War On Christmas Just... 12-08-2011, 03:38 AM
Thorne Oh, things are even worse... 12-08-2011, 07:07 AM
thir [QUOTE=Thorne;957896]Oh,... 12-10-2011, 06:42 AM
lucy Methinks the war should be... 12-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Thorne I think we should PUSH Santa... 12-08-2011, 01:47 PM
Ozme52 OMG - I haven't laughed out... 12-14-2011, 12:57 PM
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Venom ^^ Not to mention poor... 12-08-2011, 01:52 PM
ksst I'm going to go dance around... 12-10-2011, 08:03 AM
Thorne Except that people were... 12-10-2011, 09:46 AM
denuseri But not culturally and... 12-10-2011, 10:40 AM
Thorne Which is exactly the point I... 12-10-2011, 12:16 PM
MMI Here in Leicester, we fund... 12-11-2011, 06:46 PM
Thorne According to the Supreme... 12-11-2011, 06:53 PM
MMI What is wrong is, not that... 12-11-2011, 06:34 PM
Thorne What is wrong is that those... 12-11-2011, 06:48 PM
thir I personally have celebrated... 12-13-2011, 10:18 AM
MMI It's not just Christians,... 12-11-2011, 06:58 PM
Thorne No, atheists complain about... 12-11-2011, 07:30 PM
ksst "what holidays do atheists... 12-12-2011, 04:01 PM
Thorne Just ran across this video... 12-13-2011, 11:54 AM
thir Yes, mostly a good overview. ... 12-14-2011, 04:37 AM
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Thorne Last night I saw upon the... 12-15-2011, 12:22 PM
Venom Why does the concept of... 12-14-2011, 01:46 PM
ksst I think in some ways we are... 12-14-2011, 01:48 PM
MMI Look. To me it's simple. If... 12-14-2011, 06:55 PM
Thorne But that's exactly the point.... 12-15-2011, 12:36 PM
thir I don't think that is ok -... 12-16-2011, 05:12 AM
thir It would not be more... 12-16-2011, 05:16 AM
Venom What he said. 12-16-2011, 11:41 AM
thir Something positive and... 12-16-2011, 05:04 AM
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thir Same here :-)) 12-18-2011, 03:13 PM
MMI In the UK, when I was at... 12-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Thorne I attended Catholic schools... 12-17-2011, 01:56 PM
MMI Which way do you want it:... 12-17-2011, 06:50 PM
Thorne Again you misrepresent. I... 12-17-2011, 08:33 PM
Venom Who else shall pay for it?... 12-18-2011, 05:52 AM
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MMI As I type this, I am... 12-18-2011, 06:28 PM
Thorne Absolutely true. Nothing... 12-18-2011, 08:43 PM
thir Actually, yes they are. That... 12-18-2011, 03:21 PM
thir We ate in the class room but... 12-18-2011, 03:11 PM
John_Flux This whole war on Christmas... 12-17-2011, 12:14 AM
denuseri The fact is however that... 12-17-2011, 08:42 AM
Thorne Primarily because it's... 12-17-2011, 02:02 PM
ksst Just an example for our... 12-17-2011, 08:38 PM
MMI I wonder ... did anyone ask? 12-18-2011, 09:48 AM
Thorne My point exactly, ksst. And... 12-17-2011, 08:55 PM
MMI Speaking as an atheist, I... 12-18-2011, 09:46 AM
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ksst double post 12-18-2011, 10:31 AM
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MMI What on Earth difference does... 12-20-2011, 11:37 AM
Thorne You're kidding, right? Do you... 12-20-2011, 03:25 PM
MMI Nope - not kidding, but not... 12-20-2011, 04:49 PM
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denuseri Actually a handful of the... 12-21-2011, 03:48 PM
denuseri The Danes and Norway support... 12-21-2011, 03:41 PM
denuseri Yep...hypocrites to the last.... 12-20-2011, 03:05 PM
Thorne Not quite! Unless you have... 12-20-2011, 03:37 PM
MMI Let's go back a baby step ...... 12-21-2011, 06:57 PM
Thorne It's not illegal, yet. But... 12-21-2011, 09:44 PM
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MMI I cannot accept any of what... 12-22-2011, 05:57 PM
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    ME: In the schools I went to, pupils would be excused acts of worship if their parents requested it.
    THORNE: I"m curious: Why only if the parents requested it? What if the student didn't wish to participate? After all, acts of worship are not really part of a school curriculum, are they? If they were serving banana pudding in the school cafeteria, would they force a student to eat it if he didn't have a note from his mother?
    In the UK, when I was at school, it was compulsory for schools to hold daily acts of worship. I don't know if that is still the case. Also, Religious Education was compulsory up to O Level. While we were being taught to think for ourselves, we were not expected to actually do so! Besides, if I could get out of anything at school simply by saying I didn't subscribe to whatever was going on, I wouldn't have had any education at all.

    I also have memories of being made to stay at the table in the school canteen and not allowed to leave until I had eaten all of the disgusting mess they called a lunch. I don't know if a note would have excused me, my mother had no sympathy for my plight.

    As for all the comments about atheists not wanting to destroy Christmas, but to celebrate the holiday season, fine: create your atheist feast day and celebrate that. Otherwise you're doing what you're accusing Christians of doing, hijacking a religious feat and imposing it on everyone. Or, to put it another way (or maybe to answer a different point) if you merge all religious festivals into a non-religious one, you are appealing only to the non-religious and you are destroying the religious elements, not widening them.

    My next question is, why aren't folk-dancing groups, ballroom dancers and ballet schools made to have their shows together, and if a non-dancer wants to join in, he can deliver a diatribe against all forms of music and movement without feeling out-of-place and in the expectation that his words will be heard by the dancers with all the respect they deserve? At least he won't feel excluded. Perhaps he will hope to be thanked.
    Last edited by MMI; 12-16-2011 at 08:17 PM.

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