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    It isn't that new ... back as far as 1939, the German Air Ministry had proposals for remote-controlled planes carrying a tonne of payload for 300 miles. The remote control aspect wasn't reliable enough, so it was replaced with a basic autopilot to become the V1 "flying bomb". (Even in WW1, there were projects afoot; in WW2, the US Army alone bought 15,000 drones.)

    The significance of the Iran incident is not so much the loss of the drone itself, but that the Iranians were able to capture it, indicating considerable control. Merely jamming the control signal should have been difficult - getting enough influence to land it somewhere is worrying.

    IAN: "I think there is more chance that terrorists will get to realise their potential against the soldiers on front lines."

    Technically, that use of unmanned aircraft is almost two centuries old now! The Austrians used balloons carrying explosives against Venice, with limited success, in 1849. Against front-line troops, I doubt it would work well - after all, you can use simpler weapons: grenades, mortars, RPGs - but against civilian targets it could be quite effective. Fly a radio controlled plane into a Superbowl crowd, for example: a small enough explosive charge to be carried wouldn't achieve much, nerve gas is hard to find - but a few pounds of simple pepper spray would cause panic and chaos with people thinking it was some sort of deadly chemical. Remember, there were 96 fatalities and 766 injuries in the Hillsborough disaster in England; imagine a crowd of 100,000 trying to flee a terrorist chemical attack.

    The TV series NCIS actually featured a slightly less ambitious drone attack by a Hamas terrorist cell, aimed at the crowd awaiting a returning US aircraft carrier, thwarted by the NCIS team physically capturing the control unit for the drone before the attack was carried out.

    A purely remote-controlled drone, like current ones, isn't that interesting legally or philosophically: it's still an aircraft operated by a pilot, even if the pilot's at a safe distance thanks to technology. If a US pilot fires a missile at something he shouldn't have, why does it matter whether he was six feet or six timezones from the missile when he fired it? (Or indeed from a submarine weapons officer firing a Tomahawk from 600 miles.) It's different psychologically, of course, because of that safety aspect, but it isn't until you have aircraft able to fire weapons autonomously that culpability becomes an interesting problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by js207 View Post

    A purely remote-controlled drone, like current ones, isn't that interesting legally or philosophically: it's still an aircraft operated by a pilot, even if the pilot's at a safe distance thanks to technology. If a US pilot fires a missile at something he shouldn't have, why does it matter whether he was six feet or six timezones from the missile when he fired it? (Or indeed from a submarine weapons officer firing a Tomahawk from 600 miles.) It's different psychologically, of course, because of that safety aspect, but it isn't until you have aircraft able to fire weapons autonomously that culpability becomes an interesting problem.
    And as the article makes clear, it's not the drone aspect itself, but the use against legally and ethically questionable targets that has raised concerns.

    Militarily and ethically, the missions in places like Yemen would be no different if they were carried out by piloted planes: the important difference is that they probably wouldn't be carried out. Ever since the U2 incident in 1960, the US has been intensely aware of the dangerous position of pilots on hostile missions outside the protections of the laws of war (for what little those may be worth in places like the Yemen,) and the political damage back home if they are lost. Losing front line pilots, particularly to capture and interrogation, is unpopular enough back home in a war situation; when they are somewhere the Government would rather not admit to, doing something a lot of voters might balk at, it can be a real scandal. By contrast, the loss of a drone is just another item on the unaudited defence budget. In the new phrase, there's no moral hazard, and we all know where that leads.

    So the important question, as I and the article's author see it, is not that this is a new technology, but if it's being used to do things we shouldn't be doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo9 View Post
    So the important question, as I and the article's author see it, is not that this is a new technology, but if it's being used to do things we shouldn't be doing.
    Which is closely related to the question "Is killing Osama bin Laden and his ilk something we should be doing?" With the strikes in Pakistan, the worrying aspect for me is not that the terrorists are being killed, but that Pakistan isn't making enough of an effort to do it. If you live next door to me and your home has termites, you have a legal and moral obligation to stop them spreading to mine even if you don't care about your own property; if someone breaks into my home then you enable him to escape through yours, you can face criminal charges as well.

    If the Pakistani or Yemeni government doesn't want other people doing their job for them, there's a nice easy answer for them: do their own job! Where there isn't a functioning government, of course others will have to do the job instead, like dealing with the Somali pirates - but that's purely a failing of the government concerned, not the others stepping in to fill the void.

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