I may be old ... but I'm not QUITE old enough to remember that Andyfellow!!!! I'm guessing you are referring to "What do we mean by sadist?" - thanks to the lovely ladies that have contributed to the thread I've now got a much better idea (and fewer chocolates). As for the spiritual space you are talking about - do you think that's the Dom equivalent of sub-space? Why could only the recipient understand it? VV
The Victorian regime was good in it's way - the birch, cane and paddle were all there for the perceived dominants/bullies but the true inflictor of discipline was also into a spiritual space that only the recipient could understand