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Morrighan Names and authors needing... 03-20-2004, 07:56 PM
boccaccio2000g Names 03-20-2004, 08:45 PM
Kallie Thomas Oh, I have no real trouble... 04-13-2004, 02:48 PM
Aurelius Kallie, that made me smile,... 04-13-2004, 03:18 PM
Finding_Fantasy I don't ever seen to have... 04-13-2004, 04:39 PM
TheLordofStorms Some of the things i do for... 04-21-2004, 08:51 PM
fetish101 I always like the names the... 04-21-2004, 10:29 PM
Guest I'd love to proofread!!.. 06-22-2004, 07:37 AM
Guest Oh How Humiliating 06-22-2004, 07:41 AM
JakBird Figures of speech in a... 06-22-2004, 12:09 PM
Guest re: Character Names 07-28-2004, 10:03 PM
ozzystoy Proof Reader Wanted 07-28-2004, 11:02 PM
EstabanBacca Would not mind sharing my... 06-04-2004, 01:39 PM
slave ruthie names and proofreading 06-05-2004, 04:51 AM
j Some stories are posted with... 06-05-2004, 06:27 AM
Guest Why beta? 09-04-2004, 05:56 PM
Guest Within reason? 09-08-2004, 08:33 AM
  1. #1
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    Names and authors needing proofreaders

    I was wondering first if anyone else had trouble coming up with names for their characters. It is absolutely impossible for me to use common names for mine--they either have to be names I made up or names that translate literally into something (Cerridwynn being one of my favorite names, it means "sacred poetry.") I can stare at the monitor for hours trying to think of the right name. The second I have it, I'm off, but I spend a LOT of time on the baby name sites.

    Second, there's a lot of authors posting here asking for proofreaders, and I'll volunteer. I've been writing for over a decade now (scary thought--I'm getting old) and I was lucky enough to have some outstanding teachers who showed me what to look for. No snuff, scat, or bestiality, though, please. There's some subject matter I can't get past. *sheepish smile*

    Morrighan

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    Names

    I share your difficulty coming up with suitable names, particularly names for female characters. For some reason, a great many female names just have no erotic resonance for me.

    Boccaccio

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    Oh, I have no real trouble making up names--my problem is trying to come up with names I don't think are TOO common. You'll notice I had one of my stories removed recently--"Cyber." Some poor sod in England is in the job market, and a google search of his name brought up only one return--my story. He emailed me, asked if I would consider changing the name. I'm easy, I asked Jinn to pull it until I can get around to editing it.

    Hope you got the job, Shane

    Kallie

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    Kallie, that made me smile, but yes it could be awkward for a person and the author.

    I'm sure I posted on the forum before that I 'Google' my character names before I post just in case this happens. I had a near miss on an early story. The closest I've come since was someone thinking Aurelius might be a long-lost relative. Oh, how the Aurelius clan has declined!

    If there is a writing tips section on this site I recommend that Googling character names is added. If a writer is committed on a name it's pretty easy to vary the spelling to 'ungoogle' it, and save another poor job hunter from further embarrassment.

    I wonder whether Shane enjoyed the story?

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    I don't ever seen to have troubles coming up with names for characters no matter what I write. A lot of my names are generic, however, though I do some spelling improvisations, like Jehsea instead of Jessie.

    As for proof reading. Always. Mostly my proofreading is for typos. My typing skills leave a lot to be desired. Microsoft word does take care of a lot of that, though. Aside from typing, my biggest hurdle is punctuation. I sometimes get confused as to where the commas or semi colons go. I am always looking for proofreaders, though TG is pretty good about doing that for me.
    Life is like lemonade, sometimes bitter, sometimes sweet, but very rarely perfect. ~Me~

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    LOL, I proof like mad, sometimes have my husband proof, too, and I still find at least one glaring mistake AFTER the story goes live. Guess I shouldn't feel too awful about it, though--I find minimum a dozen errors in most New York Times bestsellers, too. Guess some mistakes have an anti-proofing field around them.


    Kallie

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    Some of the things i do for names is to look at foriegn language names, like Japanese or Gaelic. They can provide a good base for names. Another way is for me to delve into my old AD&D books if i am working on a Scifi/Fantasy tale...

    As for proofreading, i could use any and all help/advice i can get i usually sit on a finished piece a week or so rereading it before posting.....


    Storm (rob)
    "Unlike other gods, I am merciful...but Buddha I ain't..."

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    I always like the names the good writers of star trek come up with..especially from deep space 9. (yes I like star trek..) [insert trekky joke here]

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    Smile I'd love to proofread!!..

    I agree that the main reason I stop reading a story is because of poor editing and proofing. Much to my chagrin the poor use of grammar or misspelled words can become so distracting to me that I find focusing on the story itself to become difficult. The other day my jaw began aching while reading a new one, and I discovered I was sitting here gnashing my teeth! *lol* (so much for the enjoyment of pleasurable relaxed reading). Ok, call me anal about grammar! No worries I've been called worse! Point is, I'd be more than happy to proof stories if anyone wishes me, too. I've done it professionally in one of my past lives and my first degree is in English (the Language).

    In the meantime, y'all just keep up the good work...

    Melinda

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    Oh How Humiliating

    How humiliating to discover that my post contains a grammatical error...*shaking head*....that sentence should read that I would be most happy to proofread if anyone wishes me to. This was certainly another lesson in humbleness...

    Melinda

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    I would be most happy to proofread if anyone wishes me to.
    Figures of speech in a colloquial setting are exempt from grammatical raps on the knuckles with a ruler...as is ending a sentence with a preposition.

    “This is the sort of English up with which I cannot put.” Winston Churchill

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    re: Character Names

    When I'm stumped for a character name, I often go here:
    http://www.gaminggeeks.org/Resources/KateMonk/

    It seems to be intended for use by gamers
    to name their role-playing characters, but I've
    found it suits my needs just fine when I need
    a foreign, period, or just a different name.

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    Proof Reader Wanted

    I am recently retired. Therefore, I am considered to possess an inordinate amount of free time.
    At any rate, I would love to proof read stories. My work demanded proper grammar and my private life required proper sexual references.

    Waiting for the chance to help.

    Ozzy

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    I am surprised by the number of requests and offers for proofreading. Proper grammar, punctuation, etc are important but that is hardly the purpose of this site. I would pick a bad written (in terms of grammar) story with a very intriguing and sexy plot over a flawless work with a mudane plot. In other words, focus on the actions/plot/story more than technicalities.

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    Would not mind sharing my proofing chore....

    Anyone interested in this onerous chore... please IM or e mail me. We can talk about it. Anyone who might get their feelings hurt if we don't end up collaborating should probably stay on the porch though. No room for dudes or prudes at dizzy altitudes!

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    names and proofreading

    names - yes i know waht you mean, they can take ages to appear then suddenly WHAM and you can write the next bit lol - soemtimes the names jsut came before the character and i end up saying "who the heck is THIS and waht is SHE or HE doing in here???" but mostly it is stories of real people like i found the name Guljana from the second bride (i think she was age 14 or 15 and he was about 36 at the time) of Mullah Omar, and Master Charles was a wonderful (sadly now deceased) Dom from Calgary...guess i don't have a real method at all (sigh).

    spelling is difficult for me unless i use clickntype with a graphic tablet and pen instead of a keyboard - that way ican type quite fast with my left hand but i find i can't rely on word's spellchecker and since i started writing mainly for Gary Robert's US-based site i try to use American spelling and phrases when i can...and that can be fun lolol

    then proof-reading...well i do get Phil to read it over but soemtimes all i get is a sort of monosyllabic 'grunt' and it gets handed back unchanged so i don't rely on my Beloved Master (gasp, shock horror!). it coems down to the occasional comment from ppl who have to endure my stories, such as Master Ira that pointed out how my slaves had a tendency to mew when gagged rather than moan lolol

    i have no solutions except to beg anyone who reads my stories to tell me about things to change or correct. i don't try too hard with my general writing like posts and emails (yes, iknow it shows lol) but that's my fault

    the thing i worry about more is the descriptions have to be right and realistic and consistent so if soemthing is on the right side and the person turns round it has to be on the left, or where possible with Phil's help (and within reason of course) i try to work out the physical way soemthing is doen - like placing an ankle spreader bar that's very long is easier to fit one end then lift up the person's leg bent to get the other one doen - stuff like that. and details - the internet helps but soemtimes if you can see a place it helps too. i needed to find and walk around a Belgian chateau to get the sheer idea of it as a location, i've been on the roof of a tower block at night to see waht it might be like, and to bring as much real detail into a plot to help the extreme details blend in better...

    proofing is so helpful and i wish i had that skill to offer others but if ppl are stuck for names maybe i can help with suggestions or ideas?

    love & respect

    ruthie
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    Last edited by slave ruthie; 06-05-2004 at 05:21 AM.

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    Some stories are posted with such a need for proofreading that it amounts to a stylistic choice by the writer; others are almost perfect. Most, by and large, are in need of substantial combing for

    -typos, some of which are amazingly recurrent ('their' for 'there' and vice-versa), some others being almost unique to a writer - I can tell some writers by their typos;
    -lazy turns of writing ('could care less', 'youre' for 'you're', etc);
    -worst of all, inconsistencies, changes of proper nouns, sometimes complete garbling of paragraph orders:
    -some choices in typing - I loathe the fashion of de-capitalizing proper nouns and pronouns which refer to slaves. Sorry Slave Ruthie! It makes for stilted reading. I always reverse it in my personal copies.

    So I almost always read onscreen with a red pencil, so to speak. Yet I won't offer my services for proofreading. (well, I did once, but it came to naught). If a story does not grab me by my baddest parts, I find no interest in removing the mud and slime from its diamonds.

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    Why beta?

    Hooray! I’ve found the thread where people talk about accuracy in writing. I am someone who sees every typo, every grammar glitch, every confusion of ‘their’, ‘there’ and ‘they’re’, every ‘flaunt’ that should be ‘flout’, every single ‘to’ that should be ‘too’ as if they were six feet tall in flaming red letters with a huge arrow pointing to them bearing the words ‘Why are you here?’ It’s a handicap, I know.

    I make the errors myself. But I fix them all when they aren’t deliberate. (I started a sentence with a conjunction. Deliberately. And I have sentences with no verb. Nothing wrong with that. If you know what you’re doing. ) This is only my third post on this site (not ‘sight’ ) but the first two have had five after-post edits between them.

    Those who don’t proofread, or don’t get their work proofread (yes, they are spelt the same but pronounced differently) are torturing the rest of us. Why do I think I am justified in saying this? Because writing is intended to communicate.

    Spelling a word roughly correctly does most of the job. Mostly you can read it. In fact get the first and last letters in the right place and most of the other letters there in some order or other and almost every native reader of English can tell what you mean. However, to those who know how something should be spelled (yes, it was ‘spelt’ somewhere above – both are correct) there is a moment when the concentration wavers. We are thinking about the error, not what was intended. The communication has failed slightly.

    It is a similar effect on a smaller scale as if you were to say ‘fuck’ to my dear little white-haired old mother. (Yes, really. Most of my hair is white or thereabouts too.) She would hear everything said before the word, but would forget it all immediately and wouldn’t hear the rest of what you said at all. All she would hear would be ‘fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck…’. And she wouldn’t be happy, believe me.

    When you typo or misspell or dyslex (No there isn’t such a word. I made it up.) I do carry on reading, but the more you do it, the closer I get to seeing ‘wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong…’.

    For those who have a genuine problem, I have every sympathy. But there is a solution. Get a proof-reader. Better still, get what jaeangel calls a beta reader. (Good term. I hadn’t seen it before.) A beta reader will check your work for everything that might be wrong with it and, ideally, send you a marked up version or a set of suggestions for things that might be wrong. Then you can decide whether to fix it or whether, like me, you want to break the rules in this case. (I would guess there are people who would say that I had misused ‘like’ and used the accusative ‘me’ to agree with the nominative ‘you’ in that sentence. I am, however, unable to think of a way to say that that reads right and doesn’t break those rules.)

    I am willing to take on either the proof-reader or the beta reader job for anyone here who feels they need it. As to taste, I think simple rules – ‘no kids, no scat, no snuff’ – will do for me. I will even get a copy of Webster to check American spellin’ authoritatively if necessary. Contact me by private message here.


    Or on the other hand you might just like to say ‘fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck…’ to me. ‘sokay

    Spike

    P.S. And sorry for including the footnotes in the text, this is a message board, not a typesetting suite.

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    Within reason?

    ...bearing in mind of course that pedantry can sometimes be taken just a smidgeon too far at some cost to readability?

    "This is the sort of english up with which i cannot put." Winston Churchill

    janie

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