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[caged]

Webmaster/owner - please help...

A friend of mine is the author of a lengthy, ongoing, and extremely well-received story on bdsmlibrary.

He is now getting a message that he is banned from bdsmlibrary, the reason given is 'none' and the message says the ban will be lifted 'never'.

Thus far he has received no response to his attempts to query what is going on. Perhaps there is some kind of technical problem, so could you perhaps shed some light in a private message to me here - ?

Regards,

'caged'

[Rabbit1]

Well first of all if he want to know about his or her status--all they have to do is email me ---as I do not decuss members status with other members---you each have a right to privacy--and I respect that ---

Second of all I know the author you are talking about and they have flooded the webmaster and others trying to rally some support ---when all they had to do was look in their own email that I answered to find the cause and what they had to do to regain their access---

Authors are like every other member of the forum ---they have to comply with the same rules that I have to comply with and you have to comply with

Everyone here is treated equally and fairly---Now write your author friend back and you will see they have been contacted about the problem ---and it is up to them to either fix it or remain banned --it is a simple fix--

he wrote to the webmaster instead of me ---my email addres is posted in my signature and on the board ---if you write to the web master it may take a few weeks before he sends me the forum problems to take care of ---he has to weed them out from the Tech problems that he handles---

I posted my email address so the members could get quick action and those member who have used it will tell you I answer every email with in 24 hrs

Oh and there were over 6,000 members banned for this same reason ---authors and all ---

[DrSaavik2]

Just to let you know that this story is now ended on BDSMlibrary.
I wanted to have the story taken off but, so I'm told, "It is not the new owner's policy."
Thanks to all those who supported me - it's just a shame that BDSMlibrary hasn't turned out to be the forum I believed it to be.

[submissivewife]

Kind of wondering what exactly were you looking for it to be? Had you read the policies before you posted your stories? What do you feel is lacking? Frankly, this is the best forum I have found and people are great here. If you were looking for more why haven't you contributed to help make it what you would like to see. These kind of comments don't help. MORE info would be nice as to why you are dissatisfied.

Not to mention the fact that you are a new member...joined this month. With it now being the 25th what has dissatisfied you in such a short amount of time?

[caged]

Thanks for replying.

I think it's quite understandable that somebody would email the webmaster and be unaware of your email address, if they simply do not read these forums. There's no obvious link between using the site to read (and write?) stories - which can be done without age-verification - and using the forums.

Perhaps if the message received when trying to log in (to write or comment upon reviews) explained the birthdate issue instead of saying reason 'none' and ban lifted 'never', the misunderstanding would have been avoided.

You seem annoyed at the author's attempt to rally support etc; obviously he was doing this before he received your email explanation, until which point he had every reason to believe he had been banned for some odd reason and was being ignored.

[Rabbit1]

yes I am anoyed since I answered his email as soon as I got it ---the change in rules was done in November ----thats a long grace period for members to comply ---

[Rabbit1]

Kind of wondering what exactly were you looking for it to be? Had you read the policies before you posted your stories? What do you feel is lacking? Frankly, this is the best forum I have found and people are great here. If you were looking for more why haven't you contributed to help make it what you would like to see. These kind of comments don't help. MORE info would be nice as to why you are dissatisfied.

Not to mention the fact that you are a new member...joined this month. With it now being the 25th what has dissatisfied you in such a short amount of time?

oh he rejoined to keep from having to give his date of birth he does not want to comply with the rule like all the other members had to ---so he joined just so he could complain--lol

does not believe the new owner of the site has a right to make rules or change policy --it is his loss

and he just got banned again for giving a false date of birth ---year 1902

[submissivewife]

ok, since faming would get me banned I will keep my mouth shut.....*rolling my eyes and bitting my cheek*

[Nikita]

yes I am anoyed since I answered his email as soon as I got it ---the change in rules was done in November ----thats a long grace period for members to comply ---

*snickers*:

[caged]

I can see it from your point of view rabbit, but of course the author was not to know that his emails were going to the wrong person. From his point of view he just wasn't getting a reply.

As for the long grace period for members to reply, it is completely meaningless if they don't read the forums. The author was attempting to log in to comment on a review, on the story pages. But since you ignored that point, I guess you already realise the problem.

[Rabbit1]

I can see it from your point of view rabbit, but of course the author was not to know that his emails were going to the wrong person. From his point of view he just wasn't getting a reply.

As for the long grace period for members to reply, it is completely meaningless if they don't read the forums. The author was attempting to log in to comment on a review, on the story pages. But since you ignored that point, I guess you already realise the problem.

yes I realize the problem ---but I can not make anyone who is a member read the forums ----but even banned if they log into the forums they can still see the rules forum --and my post how to get your access back and my email address in my signature---how much simpler can I get ---I am trying --and most of the member who did not come to the forums ---and email me or the webmaster ---when I contact them ---understand ---the DOB is to protect the site---trying to stay within the law----and they just simply send me their DOB ---and I upon reciving it edit their profile and restore their access ---it is not a big deal --unless you want to make it one.

99% of those I have dealt with send a thank you email after I have explained and their DOB. they realize that it is their responsibility as members to read the rules and announcements of the forum.

[Faibhar]

It certainly must wound the pride to receive the 'none' and 'never' notices. Looking back at my own case, which did occur some time ago, I can relate.

Although the same writer should feel somewhat honored to get any response at all as my Forum contribution was summarily deleted. Suffice to say, this action was done without any word at all. Later I did learn that my comments had been talked about. The imagination still to this day wonders exactly what was "talked about".

Oh well, hopefully the injured party can learn to live with a none & never rebuff and just move on. At least, that's what some of us try to do.

Faibhar

[Rabbit1]

It certainly must wound the pride to receive the 'none' and 'never' notices. Looking back at my own case, which did occur some time ago, I can relate.

Although the same writer should feel somewhat honored to get any response at all as my Forum contribution was summarily deleted. Suffice to say, this action was done without any word at all. Later I did learn that my comments had been talked about. The imagination still to this day wonders exactly what was "talked about".

Oh well, hopefully the injured party can learn to live with a none & never rebuff and just move on. At least, that's what some of us try to do.

Faibhar

Do not know about before ---but any member that takes the time to email me or PM me has gotten a answer---they may not like the answer the get but they have got the courtesy of a reply ---if they send one to the web master/owner---if he sends it to me to handle ---they get a reply ---now I can not control the time factor the web master/owner takes to go thru his email --no more than he can control mine---as we have other things to do and it is according to how busy I am as to when I check my email I am not on the board 24/7 ---but there is not a member who contacted me that did not get a reply within 24 hours---unless I was on vacation and I post that time in the announcement forum.

My email address is on the board for all to see even if they are not logged in and in my signature on every post I make---

got a question you want answered ---I will try to answer all questions or find a answer for you ----now I do not say you will like the answer ---but you will get an answer if you contact me. Simple ---and within 24 hours

[Faibhar]

Rabbit1's prompt and comprehensive explanation should answer any questions.

I merely mentioned the prior administrator/editor's action because I thought it germane to the present discussion, and in no way expected anyone to be cognisant of that particular blip in the historical radar screen.

F.

[caged]

So what do people think of the site's refusal to remove an author's story, despite the author's request to do so?

It seems indefensible to me - with the caveat that I don't know what terms and conditions, if any, are offered when you submit stories.

[Rabbit1]

So what do people think of the site's refusal to remove an author's story, despite the author's request to do so?

It seems indefensible to me - with the caveat that I don't know what terms and conditions, if any, are offered when you submit stories.

Well they are posts on the story submittal page if an author takes time to read it ----and this has been gone over before in the forum and after much heated decussion by authors and members. we all found ---he who pays the bill gets to make the rules----Authors have the right not to submit stories --and some have done just that----Others see the work and the cost in this site and think it is a fair trade ---posting rights for being published ----

and yes these stories are published electronicly but they are published ---and no one forced an author to submit a story ---and not that it really matters --but you will find the same rule on most large publishing sites--

Weather anyone realizes or not it is quite a task to publish and keep up the updates on this site ---and for someone to just throw a trantrum and want to take their marbles and go home---is not very adult --on an adult site.

this is a free site---the rules are clearly posted ---the policy is clearly posted ---you do not have to love the rules ---most of us do not like rules
but they are nessary just like laws are---Sorry if you do not agree with the owner---I do not always---but this is his site ---he pays the bills---and if I don't like it ---I know I am free to leave anytime I want.

Now all of us have Ideas on how a site should be run---and opinions are great--but eveyone has one and all are different ---including mine---I am bound by the same set of Clearly posted rules as any member here---and I go by the same policy set forth by the owner---

So as far as I am concerned this subject is closed ----before it was a legitimate concern as there was no policy clearly posted ---there is now

If you do not take the time to read them --It is not the fault of the site or the owner

[submissivewife]

exactly!

[caged]

Thanks for replying again rabbit. I haven't read the t's and c's as I haven't yet submitted a story (and obviously now, I wouldn't).

Personally, if an author wanted a story removed from a site I ran, I would do it regardless of policies and terms. Maybe it would take a while to get round to it, but I'd do it on principle. I don't think any site is doing an author any kind of favour by putting their stories up, with the possible exception of really weak stories.

[Rabbit1]

Thanks for replying again rabbit. I haven't read the t's and c's as I haven't yet submitted a story (and obviously now, I wouldn't).

Personally, if an author wanted a story removed from a site I ran, I would do it regardless of policies and terms. Maybe it would take a while to get round to it, but I'd do it on principle. I don't think any site is doing an author any kind of favour by putting their stories up, with the possible exception of really weak stories.

Well good luck finding a site with the number of readers we do with a different policy

[caged]

Thanks. I can think of at least one very popular site that removed an author's stories at his request. Whether it has as many readers as bdsmlibrary I couldn't say, because it is not my policy to check such things. Forum traffic there suggests it must be fairly close. (It's my policy to use that as one measure of a site's popularity).

I guess you're lucky that some good authors bring traffic to the site with their policy of submitting stories...so I hope you look after them.

[Rabbit1]

Thanks. I can think of at least one very popular site that removed an author's stories at his request. Whether it has as many readers as bdsmlibrary I couldn't say, because it is not my policy to check such things. Forum traffic there suggests it must be fairly close. (It's my policy to use that as one measure of a site's popularity).

I guess you're lucky that some good authors bring traffic to the site with their policy of submitting stories...so I hope you look after them.

No we are lucky that most of the authors are adult (imagine that on an adult site) and see a mutual benificial agreement here ---They get published for free --even if there work does not start out as superior works ---and the site gets rights to post that publication ---Now I will admit some authors who have learned to write thru the feed back they gained on the site ---think they should be able to have their stories removed ---All I can say is sorry that is not the policy here. And according to my knowledge was never an express policy here.

The former owner may have done a few favors for a few authors --before the site got so busy ---but it was never intended as a policy , or he would have posted it for all authors to see.

We treat everyone the same---Some do not like it --while most do

[Couture]

yes I am anoyed since I answered his email as soon as I got it ---the change in rules was done in November ----thats a long grace period for members to comply ---

There was no posting about this rules change and no grace period for members to comply. The first I heard of this change was in January and it was from a fellow forum member, not the site owner and not by you.

Jinn was always prompt in pulling stories at the author's request. Every other website I've dealt with has always honored author copyright. But, not this one. I've had better luck in dealing with shady websites using bots to steal stories than BDSM library.

And that is a pity, because this used, and the operative word being USED to be one of the premier story sites on the net. But now this is a rogue site. And the only thing saving it from a class action suit is that most authors of this material are not going to draw the public attention that would be required to force adhearance to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and Berne conventions.

-Couture

[Couture]

No we are lucky that most of the authors are adult (imagine that on an adult site) and see a mutual benificial agreement here ---They get published for free --even if there work does not start out as superior works ---and the site gets rights to post that publication ---Now I will admit some authors who have learned to write thru the feed back they gained on the site ---think they should be able to have their stories removed ---All I can say is sorry that is not the policy here. And according to my knowledge was never an express policy here.

The former owner may have done a few favors for a few authors --before the site got so busy ---but it was never intended as a policy , or he would have posted it for all authors to see.

We treat everyone the same---Some do not like it --while most do

That was the policy here and it is the policy at most sites. I never agreed to your agreement.

If I stole your car, I could make the argument that it was mutually beneficial. I would get the use of your car and you would get the publicity of having your car stolen and some insurance money. However, that does not change the fact that I stole your car against your wishes.

[Rabbit1]

That was the policy here and it is the policy at most sites. I never agreed to your agreement.

If I stole your car, I could make the argument that it was mutually beneficial. I would get the use of your car and you would get the publicity of having your car stolen and some insurance money. However, that does not change the fact that I stole your car against your wishes.

then do not submit a story ---and by most sites I do not think you mean
Literotica---their policy is as stated and hidden in the FAQ section---

If I submit a story to Literotica, do I still own the copyright?

Absolutely. You are simply granting us a non-exclusive right to post your story on Literotica.com. All rights to the story still belong to you, the author

And all major Story publishers are the same ---I know I am a member of most of them.

At least our policy is not hidden ---it is on the submission page

By submiting a story you are agreeing to these terms

The policy is posted --if you do not agree with it just do not submit a story to be published

now I am closing this thread as it is not productive ---but started by a member who did not want to follow the rules of the forum and was banned ---until then he was perfectly happy submitting his stories----and tried to rally some support as to not following the forum rule ---and thought he could take his marbles and go home.

it did not work nor will it work ---All member are treated the same here---all including me must follow the forum rules that are clearly posted ---