Porn, Erotica, Romance?

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Ok this is my first attempt at a thread. I hope it's in the correct place.

Ok I just read Teacher Owned, so many people listed it as Favorites in http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/forums/sh...7422#post67422
the “What’s your favorite” thread.
I enjoyed it a lot but it didn’t completely satisfy. (This is not a criticism, just a point I’m wondering about.)
What I’m wondering is the difference between Porn and Erotica? I like more story not just sex. Does that mean what I enjoy is Erotica?
Is what I write more vanilla http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/a...?authorid=1583

Maybe I’m off on the definitions even.
I’ve read 2nn Wow, I felt like I’d been sledge hammered but got incredibly hot.
Wedding Night by Zebulon
http://www.bdsmlibrary.com/stories/s...p?storyid=4001
Has to be my favorite at the moment.
I enjoy the back story as much as the sex if it’s well written. I can deal with almost anything but Snuff as long as it has a little romance. Could that be the real thing I need in a story to be sated is romance? Hummmm. Maybe romance is even not exactly right but at least the worship of one for another.
I’ve learned not to expect happy endings but must admit I much prefer them. Even if the happy ending is the victim chained to her/his master/mistress’s bed in complete joyful surrender.
Any comments?

[Ruby]

Ahhh... great questions and much food for thought here.

Wikepedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography

In general, "erotica" is used to imply artistic quality, sensuousness, or implied sexuality, whereas "pornography" tends to signify explicit sexual acts.

There are a number of essays out there on the subject. For me the short version involves the writing style. Are we reading about the senses and emotions of the people being described or is it more, insert stick A into slot B?

You might enjoy this essay:

ONE PERSONS PORN IS MY EROTICA by Rose DesRochers

http://www.freelancewriting.com/arti...rs-071405.html

About plotting...

I think that well written PWP story - that's "porn without plot" or "plot, what plot?" can be very erotic.

Those types of stories have their place just like longer tales.

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Now about those endings. I've read some wonderfully hot stories in the library then been so disappointed by the ending, that they become a huge turn-off.

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StillBehindBlueEyes,

You certainly don't write vanilla.

The Training of Shauna the Pet is a string of snippets, with a back story and a plot that weaves them together.

Erotic or porno? That's up to each reader.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Thanks Ruby
I was nervous about sounding a bit full of myself, but I really am curious about this subject. No one knows I write this stuff in real life. They know I write racy vanilla romances. (Giggle) It's nice to have someone to talk about this subject with.
I will go peek at the article thank you so much.
I really do enjoy some PWP, but it leaves me feeling like somethings missing. It's a quick snack instead of a meal. Hummmm, food and sex, interesting.

Now about those endings. I've read some wonderfully hot stories in the library then been so disappointed by the ending, that they become a huge turn-off.

I have at least 20, I'm not lying, stories not done. It can be so tempting to just slap an ending on them, but I've resisted because I so agree with your above comment.

StillBehindBlueEyes,

You certainly don't write vanilla.

The Training of Shauna the Pet is a string of snippets, with a back story and a plot that weaves them together.

Giggle, Thank you.

[jessminty]

SBBE:
When looking for adjectives to use in my own writing I ran across a website called darkerotica - http://darkerotica.blogspot.com/
According to them the difference between erotica and romance is that sex has to drive the plot in erotica and not just be thrown in gratuitously, if the sex isn't necessary to tell the story, then it isn't erotica.
I found this very interesting and useful for myself.
As for the difference between porn and erotica, I agree with Ruby and think that is a more personal opinion.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Jessminty
What a cool site. I know I'm going to enjoy it.

if the sex isn't necessary to tell the story, then it isn't erotica.

Well I know in the stories I've posted here I had to have the sex. I find it strange that I have such hesitiation about writing sex, but it's getting easier. Smiles.

[Ruby]

jessminty, thanks for pointing out such a great site.

All, Morgan Hawke has tons of tips and tricks for erotic writers here:

http://www.darkerotica.net/EroticQuills.html

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Giggle an erotic thesaurus, hummmmm
http://www.darkerotica.net/EroticThesaurus.html
I love this. It will probably be my second favorite after
http://www.babynames.com
I love the search for the meaning of a name.

[Aussiegirl1]

Thanks Ruby
I was nervous about sounding a bit full of myself, but I really am curious about this subject. No one knows I write this stuff in real life. They know I write racy vanilla romances. (Giggle) It's nice to have someone to talk about this subject with.
I have at least 20, I'm not lying, stories not done. It can be so tempting to just slap an ending on them, but I've resisted because I so agree with your above comment.

Hi, interesting thread. As to sounding like you were full of yourself, no worries about that.

I know what you mean about having lots of unfinished stories. I have about 5at the moment, but have had more. I tend to get a great idea, type away and then think - oh, how do I end this. I am struggling with one story at the moment. I almost feel like making the ending like a choose you own adventure and then follow up with what people what to read. Mind you, then you would never be able to please everyone.

I am starting to appreciate more stories with what would be termed romantic elements in them, but still like a more full on tale as well. I even to try to write both types.

Hope you keep asking great questions and writing great stories.
Aussiegirl

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Thank you very much Aussiegirl. When I really want to finish a story sometimes I can jump start it by coming back to it and editing. Sometimes that's just enough to rekindle the story. Smiles, other times nothing gets it back going. I like the idea for a choose your own adventure. Smiles.

[Aussiegirl1]

Hi again,

I just read your latest story and wanted to say it was very good. I tried to review it but can't at the moment, so I figured this was just as good. I can remember reading the story you were building on, and loving it too.

[H Dean]

You only have about 5 unfinished stories now? Crap, I feel like a slacker now. I have...well, I have a lot. I don't have enough fingers or toes to count 'em.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Thank you Aussiegirl. I just loved Zeb's story and asked if I could please write one off his idea.
H Dean giggle, I know that feeling. I'd need to borrow some fingers to count my unfinished stories.

[H Dean]

H Dean giggle, I know that feeling. I'd need to borrow some fingers to count my unfinished stories.

That's a gross misuse of fingers.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Giggle, I promise I'll return them in good condition.

[H Dean]

Giggle, I promise I'll return them in good condition.

Define "good".

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Ummmmmm, well, ummm, hummm, I think I hear someone calling me.
Smiles

[H Dean]

Ummmmmm, well, ummm, hummm, I think I hear someone calling me.
Smiles

Girls are always running off and leaving me holding the bag.

[Aussiegirl1]

You only have about 5 unfinished stories now? Crap, I feel like a slacker now. I have...well, I have a lot. I don't have enough fingers or toes to count 'em.

Oh yes, I know how much of a slacker you are! It just means you have been working at this for longer. Who knows what might come of those unfinished stories one day?

[H Dean]

Oh yes, I know how much of a slacker you are! It just means you have been working at this for longer. Who knows what might come of those unfinished stories one day?

Maybe I will farm them all out to authors with better skills than I possess. I tell ya, I am already on that plan!

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Hummmm I wonder if they would come back wagging their tails behind them.

[H Dean]

Hummmm I wonder if they would come back wagging their tails behind them.

Would they wag their tails in front?

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

LOL I think we've lost the seriousness of this post? But it's so fun.

[jessminty]

SBBE- that erotic thesaurus saved my ass, I mean story!
Speaking of stories- I need to get working- lots of ideas, but nothing on paper yet- I am dying to find out what happens to Claire next....

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

SBBE- that erotic thesaurus saved my ass, I mean story!
Speaking of stories- I need to get working- lots of ideas, but nothing on paper yet- I am dying to find out what happens to Claire next....

Giggle, sorry, I've been enjoying this thread way too much. Is there a limit on the times your aloud to laugh durning one?
Please yes get back to work we need to find out what Claire is doing next. So is Claire porn or erotica? Hummmm, an excuse to go reread it.

[H Dean]

So is Claire porn or erotica?

Pornrotica.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

I like this new Genre. I bet Jessminty's and my stories would fit in that category.

[H Dean]

I like this new Genre. I bet Jessminty's and my stories would fit in that category.

You know, I clicked on the link to your stories but it brought me to the Disneyland site.

[jessminty]

Pornrotica- hmm, I like it, although I don't think it was what Uncle Walt had in mind when he created tinkerbell.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

You know, I clicked on the link to your stories but it brought me to the Disneyland site.

Now, now, just because you can't appreciate Romance no need to get testy.
No Barking or howling allowed.

[StillBehindBlueEyes]

Pornrotica- hmm, I like it, although I don't think it was what Uncle Walt had in mind when he created tinkerbell.

Giggle, Thank you Uncle Walt.