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from Mobius:
But on the other hand I wonder just how many subs are realy well in all terms. I think if the cold light of truth betold that most subs are not well in one way or another. wether they are into bdsm becouse they were abused when they were a child or other forms of trama.

Am I saying that a sub has to be sick to be a sub. Not totaly but but there are a few that the gates are down lights are flashing but there no train in sight.
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However subs got into pain, it's just another method of stimulation. A way to get to orgasm, and fairly pleasurable at that. Subs aren't sick - they're just explorers who have happened to stumble on sex as the next frontier to explore. What's the alternative? The missionary position and 'oh, darling, that was lovely!' but still feeling hopelessly unfulfilled? Or even worse, masturbating and having to imagine ones fantasies instead of acting them out? As for abusive parents, be they mothers or fathers, that was then and this is now. i.e. We're over 18 now, and can make our own choices.