Originally posted by Cleo671
There is a difference between crime reportage and crime fiction in relation to murder.Yes murders do happen, or there are fictional descriptions in crime novels all over the place.
It's factual. It's not written using words and overrall language to promote eroticism in the act itself. Anyone with one foot in the real world can see that and not confuse the difference and be humble enough to concede to that.

It's factual? I think you're confused--what are you talking about? Fiction or fact? I believe we were discussing fiction, so let's stick to that, shall we?

Crime fiction/reportage is never written in an erotic context -for sexual arousal or to be used as 'masturbatory fodder'.

"Never?" Perhaps you need to read a bit more in the murder mystery genre before making such a sweeping statement. Many, many fictional accounts of murder are written in such a way as to titillate or otherwise excite the reader. Numerous murder stories are written to be incredibly erotic. They are ALWAYS written to entertain the reader--after all, that is the point of fiction. Now, whether or not people masturbate to a story is hardly my problem--or yours. When I was 13, I used to masturbate to stories about Shaun Cassidy. And 'Lord of the Rings'--oh, my, the nasty things I did with that dashing, pretty-boy elf. The point? People will get off on anything and everything. And those murder stories that don't get you off DO get others off.

In relation to rape and underage girls(or boys) and this being eroticised?

I think there is no place for that.


Congrats. It's good to know what you like and don't like. Now run with that--don't read those things that don't work for you.

When people begin to say 'yes this is acceptable', I believe there is something really 'up' -whether it concerns their morals, psyche etc - there is something amiss.

Funny, I feel the same way about people who actually have the gall to preach censorship and psyche on a porn site

The reality is to be aroused with such subject matter, when a girl (or boy for that matter) is not fully sexually developed emotionally or sometimes physically, points to other issues.

Still operating on your peculiar idea of what is "fully sexually developed," I see. As we've established, there is no consensus on that issue. So what we're really talking about is this--you attempting to push your idea of what is and isn't moral. Again, I say this is probably not a good site for pushing morals on others.

To sit there and eroticise something like rape amongst 'young' girls or boys,which is an act of violence,is like taking a step back into the period of De Sade, regress to an era where personal values were severely lacking.

ROFL! I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. To push rape as erotic in any REAL situation would be an awful thing, regardless of the age of the victim. And to confuse fiction with reality in this or any other circumstance would lead me to worry about the stability of the one confused.

I think you may be confused.

Now, as for the "regression to an era where personal values were severely lacking"---you are joking, right? How on earth do you figure? You don't really think that the late Marquis reflected the societal values of his time, do you? He was an aberration--was considered such at the time. If he fit right in. he'd hardly have been locked away, no?

But that's my personal opinion, and yes I'm sure there are differences of opinion about this.

Good call.

So before people 'debate', at least get their definitions correct as to what type of fiction they are referring to and the 'audience' that the 'fiction' format is targetted to. Because the 'fiction is fiction' phrase doesn't really clarify anything and more or less 'skirts' the subject matter/topic in question.

"Get their definitions correct?" In other words, agree with your definitions. No, I'm sorry--you're mistaken. Fiction is fiction in that it depicts imaginary or nonfactual situations, characters and occurrences. And that's the bottom line--one need not be a monster to dream up monstrous scenarios. If you can't accept that, if you can't understand that those who write a terrible scene need not be terrible people, if you can't grasp that writing about something "immoral" does not make one "immoral," then there's no point talking with you further on the issue--you're not able to distinguish story from writer, fact from fiction. And if that's the case, nothing can be accomplished here.

Kallie