Yes, being a submissive should be "satisfying" otherwise, why would you do it? I am not saying that it is wrong for your submissive to be granted satisfaction because I myself want gratification in some fashion or another.

However, using underhanded techniques like acting up, mouthing off, and generally being a "brat" just to get your way and do as you please, to me, is not submissive. Sure there are Dominants that like that sort of thing, but personaly, I don't see how it can be considered submissive.

Also, rob wilson, I hadn't meant breaking in that fashion. I mean in attitude, of breaking their will to resist, forcing them to submitt. I knew exactly what you meant by breaking limits.

However, I do not believe that being a Dominant is any harder that being a submissive. Yes, it is true that the Dominant has to be the imaginative one, to come up with "fun and interesting" ideas. However, it is also difficult to be a submissive as well. It is not an easy thing to allow someone else to guide your actions, to be told how you are to act, what to wear, so on and so forth, to totally give yourself over to another's discretion. It is difficult because humans, as a rule, thrive on free will, being allowed to do as they please, and to take that free will and place it another's hands is very difficult.

Basically, I just don't feel that someone who acts "bratty" or in my opinion, like a spoiled child for the soul purpose of antagonising the Dominant to get what she wants is "proper". If that is how you are or what you like, I aplogise for any offence, but I will not apologise for my opinion. Many would consider my forcefulness, my passionate opinions, as unsubmissive as well. That's just the way life is. It is filled with perceptions and every one, in their ow way, is correct if it works for the parties involved. But I, personally, do not care for "bratty", "mouthy" and "manipulative" "submissives"