Abortion

[drake7]

Alex, I see things that are offensive to me in stories as well. I realize, as I am sure you do, that each of us has a different view on what is or isn't "over the line."

For some the abortion topic may be exciting. I didn't find it particularly offensive or exciting either one- I did find it very unrealistic however.

My best advice, even on those topics that seem very controversial, is just to skip over it and go on to something more interesting. The atmosphere here on the site is one that encourages freedom of expression and I would hate to think someone was discouraged because of a post here denigrating their particular form of kink.

Drake.

[Morrighan]

I'm amazed that the discussion has managed to remain civilized thus far. The topic of abortion pushes people's buttons in a way that few others do--specifically because it is a question of life and death, and the death of a complete innocent.

I'll chime in with most of the others on the side of freedom of speech, to say if you don't like it, don't read it. I do, however, think that abortion is not snuff, and should be identified as such. To have it spring out at you in something you are reading is a little disquieting.

And something to add--someone mentioned that Stephen King has used abortion in his novels, and I have to say that it's all in how that subject matter is handled. Stephen King makes it a horrible thing, a tool of terror, at least in every book of his I've ever read. This use was different, and if it was intended to be funny...well, it takes a talent above and beyond almost any I can imagine to make the death of an unborn child in any way humorous.

I'm trying very hard not to come down too judgemental. I haven't read the work, and I won't. I will just say that there should be something in either the story codes or the story summary to warn people browsing through the forums. Regardless of when you believe life starts, just as the author has the right to say what he'she likes, the reader has the option to choose what they read.

Morrighan

[castle2001]

Sorry for the delay. This thread seems to go on forever. I guess the battle will go on forever as well.

A pre-viability fetus is not a child, not a person, it's a part of the host organism and removing one is morally no different than removing tonsils or an appendix. Post-viability the situation becomes different. I have no idea which was the case in lex's story.

Not an apt Simile.Tonsils and the appendix are removed only when infected.
Viablilty is now down to the fifth month. Puts the sqweeze on the pro abortion crowd.

[Morrighan]

Curtis, everyone has different beliefs on when "life" starts. My personal opinion is that until we come up with some instrument that measures the "soul" entering the child, then we should err on the side of life. Whether you call it "soul" or "spirit" or whatever else, if you believe that there is some part of you that continues after the body dies, then you should be opposed to abortion. Other than that, the line is too thin. I really believe strongly that abortion is wrong, and it's murder, but the whole argument is based on unprovable beliefs on both sides, which is why there can be no compromise and no argument that will persuade either side. The arguments aren't based on fact; they're based on convenience and religion, which are not quantifiable arguments. You take a lot of both on faith and personal beliefs. Please, let's just leave this lie. The line is straight down the middle and nothing I can say or you can say will change anyone's mind.

Morrighan

[Curtis]

Whether you call it "soul" or "spirit" or whatever else, if you believe that there is some part of you that continues after the body dies, then you should be opposed to abortion. Other than that, the line is too thin.Morrighan

I don't believe that some part of you continues after the body dies. I do believe that the line is very thin.

castle2001: "Not an apt simile. Tonsils and the appendix are removed only when infected." -- That's a good point. Let me try a different simile then. If I can ever get the money together ("fat" chance), I'm going to have liposuction. Morally, I see no difference between me getting five pounds of fat sucked out and a woman getting a 16 week fetus sucked out.

I believe that abortion is the stupidest method of birth control, just as liposuction is the stupidest method of figure control, but I also believe that AS LONG AS THE FETUS IS PRE-VIABILITY, fetish101 is right that it's part of the woman and no one should be able to tell her what she can do with it. Once it's far enough along to survive outside its host, it should have rights of its own, and a legal standing/advocate.

I'm going to thank drake7 for digging out this dead thread and Morrighan for re-aligning it along the deviant path of abortion rights. ("deviant" as in it deviated from Alex's original theme of whether abortion is proper material for stories in the Library.) It'd been so long that I had forgotten that this WASN'T a similar thread that I began at the same time, which WAS on the topic of abortion rights. I'm not sure how prostitution entered into it. Anyway, I apologize to Alex for being the one who, apparently, initiated the hijacking of this thread.

[Morrighan]

I didn't want to do this. I was going to let it alone. I had, I swear to you, forgotten about our earlier discussion and was off debating politics in another forum. And oddly enough, we got on the abortion argument there is well. So I have a dare for you who say that a 'fetus' is nothing more than a tonsil, an appendix, an ingrown hair. That think that a sixteen-week old fetus is the equivalent of five pounds of fat.

I was going to leave this alone, because in my mind, as much as I enjoy the variety of topics posted here, this wasn't a subject fit (for me) to discuss in these forums. But I saw this and I CAN'T leave it alone. It made me, literally, sick. So this is my dare: follow the links below. Look at these pictures, which are validated by a pathologist's report. Look at these pictures, and come back and tell me again what you just told me. I am sorry, I swear to you. I don't want to come off as a right wing lunatic, but...anyway. Look at them, really look at them. Look at the difference between eleven weeks and look at twenty weeks. The links are below. Follow them, and if your opinion remains unchanged, I have nothing left to say.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resour...s/archive1.htm
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resour...rted/index.htm


Morrighan

[Curtis]

Well, I looked through archive 1. What was your point?